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-<wrap hide>1|00:00:14|120|00:00:22|160</wrap>Okay, hi everybody. This is Esoteric Astrology Adventure number 16, and we are picking up <wrap hide>2|00:00:22|160|00:00:36|400</wrap>in our discussion of the table on page number 35. <wrap hide>3|00:00:39|960|00:00:51|860</wrap>We were simply delineating the numbers and the astrological factors and other facts which <wrap hide>4|00:00:51|860|00:00:53|580</wrap>can be found in relation to this table. <wrap hide>5|00:00:54|220|00:01:04|580</wrap>We had covered up to the fifth manifesting creative hierarchy. <wrap hide>6|00:01:06|440|00:01:10|040</wrap>This is an interesting hierarchy and very, very important. <wrap hide>7|00:01:10|980|00:01:16|940</wrap>It is the tenth numbering down, the fifth of the manifested creative hierarchies, and <wrap hide>8|00:01:16|940|00:01:18|580</wrap>the third numbering up. <wrap hide>9|00:01:19|390|00:01:26|500</wrap>We can see it has a great deal to do with the mind, with the numbers 5 and 3, and also <wrap hide>10|00:01:27|660|00:01:32|040</wrap>with the will, with integration and with power. <wrap hide>11|00:01:33|200|00:01:42|200</wrap>The name is said to be the human personality, the crocodiles, and Makara, the mystery. <wrap hide>12|00:01:42|200|00:01:48|780</wrap>But from another point of view, this fifth creative hierarchy is the hierarchy of solar <wrap hide>13|00:01:48|780|00:02:02|380</wrap>angels, and we have to wonder whether this particular hierarchy is dual in the sense <wrap hide>14|00:02:02|380|00:02:07|940</wrap>that part of it represents the personality or the crocodiles, and part of it represents <wrap hide>15|00:02:07|940|00:02:17|120</wrap>Makara or the actual Agnishvatas or solar deities who have descended sacrificially to <wrap hide>16|00:02:17|700|00:02:19|360</wrap>aid the human being. <wrap hide>17|00:02:21|140|00:02:27|080</wrap>Its ruling sign is Capricorn, and Venus is the hierarchical ruler, Venus the planet of <wrap hide>18|00:02:27|080|00:02:27|940</wrap>the solar angels. <wrap hide>19|00:02:28|860|00:02:38|560</wrap>Its color is indigo, which interestingly enough is the esoteric color of the fifth ray, and <wrap hide>20|00:02:38|560|00:02:40|820</wrap>so is a color deeply associated with Venus. <wrap hide>21|00:02:42|140|00:02:51|880</wrap>If we look at the notes in the C major scale, we will find that the note A, which is correlated <wrap hide>22|00:02:51|880|00:02:58|060</wrap>with the fifth ray, has associated with it the color indigo. <wrap hide>23|00:02:59|080|00:03:08|400</wrap>Icha shakti, the will to manifest—in this case, the will to manifest a human personality <wrap hide>24|00:03:08|950|00:03:12|300</wrap>through which the higher triad can express. <wrap hide>25|00:03:14|940|00:03:22|880</wrap>Its element is fire, which is interesting because it relates it up here to the first <wrap hide>26|00:03:22|880|00:03:26|180</wrap>creative hierarchy under Leo, whose element is also fire. <wrap hide>27|00:03:28|320|00:03:32|660</wrap>We have a relationship between Leo and Capricorn. <wrap hide>28|00:03:33|080|00:03:38|600</wrap>D.K. discussed the lion and the unicorn, but in this case Leo is the superior hierarchy <wrap hide>29|00:03:38|600|00:03:39|240</wrap>apparently. <wrap hide>30|00:03:39|760|00:03:45|700</wrap>It operates on the mental plane, and we do not necessarily see a division here between <wrap hide>31|00:03:45|700|00:03:54|340</wrap>the higher and lower mental plane, although we do see in this picture that it is divided. <wrap hide>32|00:03:54|700|00:04:02|440</wrap>So does this particular hierarchy manifest on both the higher and lower mental plane? <wrap hide>33|00:04:02|440|00:04:09|660</wrap>And as it manifests on the lower mental plane, should it be considered the human personality <wrap hide>34|00:04:10|460|00:04:12|860</wrap>associated with the crocodiles? <wrap hide>35|00:04:13|620|00:04:19|160</wrap>And as it manifests on the higher mental plane, if it does, should it be considered the hierarchy <wrap hide>36|00:04:19|160|00:04:20|460</wrap>of solar angels? <wrap hide>37|00:04:20|660|00:04:29|420</wrap>Now the higher mental plane is not the true plane of the solar angels or Agnishvatas. <wrap hide>38|00:04:30|520|00:04:35|460</wrap>It is the plane of service, we might say. <wrap hide>39|00:04:36|320|00:04:44|440</wrap>A truer plane for the Agnishvatas will be the Buddhic plane and perhaps a still higher <wrap hide>40|00:04:44|440|00:04:45|260</wrap>plane. <wrap hide>41|00:04:46|520|00:04:56|340</wrap>They were, we learn, initiates of the previous solar system—human initiates in the previous <wrap hide>42|00:04:56|340|00:04:58|980</wrap>solar system and are initiates of all degrees. <wrap hide>43|00:04:59|860|00:05:07|420</wrap>Does this mean that they rose in their higher nature from off the cosmic physical plane? <wrap hide>44|00:05:09|770|00:05:16|440</wrap>Were there five planes active in that previous embryonic solar system, and if so did they <wrap hide>45|00:05:16|440|00:05:17|760</wrap>rise to the very top? <wrap hide>46|00:05:18|680|00:05:22|560</wrap>Do they have a place on the cosmic astral plane? <wrap hide>47|00:05:22|560|00:05:26|460</wrap>You see, one of the things we have to look at when we look at this table of creative <wrap hide>48|00:05:26|460|00:05:37|780</wrap>hierarchies is that the plane given for a particular hierarchy is its plane of service <wrap hide>49|00:05:37|780|00:05:41|260</wrap>expression, and not the plane of its monad. <wrap hide>50|00:05:42|840|00:05:59|360</wrap>Now, if we find that monads all dwell on monadic sub-planes of a particular cosmic plane, then <wrap hide>51|00:05:59|810|00:06:05|820</wrap>we find the human monad dwelling really on the second sub-plane, though its plane of <wrap hide>52|00:06:05|820|00:06:07|820</wrap>expression will be the Buddhic plane. <wrap hide>53|00:06:08|060|00:06:16|440</wrap>This inclines us to believe that the superior hierarchies to the human have their monads <wrap hide>54|00:06:17|380|00:06:24|600</wrap>not on the cosmic physical plane at all, but on the cosmic astral plane. <wrap hide>55|00:06:25|440|00:06:32|720</wrap>Let's see if I can... I think what I should have here is this should be made available: <wrap hide>56|00:06:32|720|00:06:44|580</wrap>let's see, Fellowship of Cosmic Fire, and yes, Diagrams, and Chart Number 5 should perhaps <wrap hide>57|00:06:44|580|00:06:53|880</wrap>always be made available, because on it... Okay now, do appear, looks like it's going to appear <wrap hide>58|00:06:53|880|00:06:54|680</wrap>any minute now. <wrap hide>59|00:06:55|440|00:07:07|900</wrap>On this super cosmic physical plane, or list of seven cosmic planes, we could imagine that <wrap hide>60|00:07:07|900|00:07:18|420</wrap>higher hierarchies than the human would have their monadic presence not on the cosmic physical <wrap hide>61|00:07:18|420|00:07:23|380</wrap>plane, but here on the second level of the cosmic astral plane, or on the second level <wrap hide>62|00:07:23|380|00:07:27|340</wrap>of the cosmic mental plane, and so forth. <wrap hide>63|00:07:29|360|00:07:37|960</wrap>A being such as a solar Logos, or even a planetary Logos, which has its causal body on the second, <wrap hide>64|00:07:38|000|00:07:53|360</wrap>third, or fourth sub-level of the cosmic mental plane would have its monadic point on the... <wrap hide>65|00:07:53|880|00:08:03|820</wrap>Yeah, the planetary Logoi of all kinds and solar Logoi are in creative hierarchies that <wrap hide>66|00:08:03|820|00:08:08|200</wrap>are much higher than the creative hierarchies which we are studying. <wrap hide>67|00:08:09|460|00:08:21|980</wrap>So anyway, back to this: we will have much of real enigma appearing as we study the fifth <wrap hide>68|00:08:21|980|00:08:29|100</wrap>creative hierarchy, because it is a hierarchy of sacrificial service, a hierarchy of fallen <wrap hide>69|00:08:29|100|00:08:36|340</wrap>angels who have in a way fallen into the dense physical body of the solar Logos for purposes <wrap hide>70|00:08:36|340|00:08:49|480</wrap>of service, though their real plane, the plane of their higher expression, would not be so <wrap hide>71|00:08:49|480|00:08:55|400</wrap>far away from the body of the solar Logos, and their higher principles altogether could <wrap hide>72|00:08:55|400|00:08:59|200</wrap>well be found on the cosmic astral plane. <wrap hide>73|00:08:59|380|00:09:01|680</wrap>I'm thinking about what it takes to become a solar angel. <wrap hide>74|00:09:03|400|00:09:11|540</wrap>We have to journey on the path to Sirius where we are taught the methods of solar angelic <wrap hide>75|00:09:11|540|00:09:17|760</wrap>function, and that path to Sirius, the fourth cosmic path, leads to the cosmic astral plane. <wrap hide>76|00:09:17|760|00:09:23|940</wrap>Well, what aspect of the human being who is becoming a solar angel is going to the cosmic <wrap hide>77|00:09:23|940|00:09:24|480</wrap>astral plane? <wrap hide>78|00:09:24|580|00:09:29|220</wrap>Well, you have to be a sixth degree initiate to travel, and if you are a sixth degree initiate, <wrap hide>79|00:09:29|420|00:09:36|660</wrap>you are a fully aware monad, polarized in your monadic vehicle. <wrap hide>80|00:09:37|800|00:09:47|740</wrap>So it becomes pretty obvious in that respect that the monadic level of the cosmic astral— <wrap hide>81|00:09:47|760|00:09:57|500</wrap>fifth creative hierarchy is indeed located on the cosmic astral plane, and not on the <wrap hide>82|00:09:57|500|00:10:03|420</wrap>cosmic physical plane, the way the human hierarchy of monads is located. <wrap hide>83|00:10:04|420|00:10:07|700</wrap>I hope that that is somewhat clear. <wrap hide>84|00:10:07|860|00:10:17|740</wrap>I mean, this position of the solar angels, at least in some expressive aspect, on the <wrap hide>85|00:10:17|760|00:10:27|740</wrap>mental plane represents a very great sacrifice, a fall, a descent, far below their true status <wrap hide>86|00:10:27|740|00:10:31|280</wrap>achieved in a previous solar system. <wrap hide>87|00:10:32|860|00:10:39|400</wrap>Their numbers: okay, ten, five, and three, and this number five of course correlates <wrap hide>88|00:10:39|930|00:10:47|740</wrap>them with the fifth creative hierarchy, which is also located on the cosmic physical plane, <wrap hide>89|00:10:47|760|00:10:49|420</wrap>almost liberated. <wrap hide>90|00:10:50|700|00:10:57|900</wrap>So they are considered prototypical in relation to the fivefold deities. <wrap hide>91|00:10:58|520|00:11:07|900</wrap>What I'll have to do actually is get out a list of names of the solar angels, which are <wrap hide>92|00:11:08|780|00:11:10|240</wrap>very revelatory. <wrap hide>93|00:11:10|320|00:11:11|620</wrap>I have such a list somewhere. <wrap hide>94|00:11:12|300|00:11:16|420</wrap>I'll take a little break at some point and pull that out. <wrap hide>95|00:11:16|960|00:11:20|240</wrap>We go on to the sixth creative hierarchy of lunar lords. <wrap hide>96|00:11:21|180|00:11:30|700</wrap>Their number is eleven, and, you know, that will immediately relate them to the number <wrap hide>97|00:11:30|700|00:11:40|940</wrap>eleven of unity through effort here on the unmanifested or on the cosmic astral planes. <wrap hide>98|00:11:40|940|00:11:46|120</wrap>We can relate numbers up and numbers down, and we will find a connection. <wrap hide>99|00:11:47|060|00:11:53|460</wrap>We will also find a connection between the fifth creative hierarchy ruled by ray five. <wrap hide>100|00:11:54|320|00:11:56|800</wrap>The numbers here are exactly the same. <wrap hide>101|00:11:58|220|00:12:00|320</wrap>It's the third creative hierarchy. <wrap hide>102|00:12:00|920|00:12:02|680</wrap>It is unmanifested. <wrap hide>103|00:12:03|120|00:12:07|480</wrap>Its ray is ray five, and its number up is ten, and you will recognize that those are <wrap hide>104|00:12:07|480|00:12:13|460</wrap>exactly the same numbers, three, five, and ten, as are found in this fifth creative hierarchy, <wrap hide>105|00:12:13|520|00:12:16|500</wrap>which is manifested: three, five, and ten. <wrap hide>106|00:12:17|760|00:12:29|320</wrap>So the lines of relationship between these lives can be analogized, or the lines of relationship <wrap hide>107|00:12:29|940|00:12:35|740</wrap>will reveal a special kind of connection, which is not easy perhaps to understand, because <wrap hide>108|00:12:35|740|00:12:41|240</wrap>we simply don't understand the functions of the higher hierarchies, but those are lines <wrap hide>109|00:12:41|240|00:12:43|820</wrap>of connection which can be traced. <wrap hide>110|00:12:44|040|00:12:51|060</wrap>And because the sixth ray is here, the sixth ray of the lunar lords, therefore the sixth <wrap hide>111|00:12:51|060|00:12:56|140</wrap>ray of the Gemini hierarchy will be implicated, and notice the idea of desire. <wrap hide>112|00:12:57|400|00:13:04|600</wrap>Desire for duality is stimulated from the Gemini level of the cosmic astral plane, and <wrap hide>113|00:13:04|990|00:13:12|040</wrap>we have the lunar lords below who are ruled by the sixth ray, and also powerfully by the <wrap hide>114|00:13:12|040|00:13:14|420</wrap>principle of desire. <wrap hide>115|00:13:15|560|00:13:19|600</wrap>They are known as sacrificial fires. <wrap hide>116|00:13:20|680|00:13:22|200</wrap>Sagittarius is suggested. <wrap hide>117|00:13:22|940|00:13:31|800</wrap>Ara, the altar, which is one of the constellations associated with Sagittarius, is also suggested. <wrap hide>118|00:13:31|800|00:13:44|740</wrap>The burning of the lunar vehicles in sacrifice upon the altar, which orients them in fiery <wrap hide>119|00:13:44|740|00:13:46|240</wrap>aspiration towards the soul. <wrap hide>120|00:13:48|020|00:13:49|880</wrap>The hierarchical ruler is Mars. <wrap hide>121|00:13:50|100|00:13:57|420</wrap>The color of Mars is red, and this is one of the colors of the sixth ray, along with <wrap hide>122|00:13:58|420|00:14:06|360</wrap>rose color and light blue, but it is, say, a cruder color and relates this Martian sixth <wrap hide>123|00:14:06|360|00:14:08|260</wrap>ray to the first ray, red. <wrap hide>124|00:14:09|640|00:14:11|580</wrap>Kundalini Shakti is its power. <wrap hide>125|00:14:11|760|00:14:21|000</wrap>It is a power of aspirational ascent through matter towards the altar, towards the crown. <wrap hide>126|00:14:21|660|00:14:32|120</wrap>Energy of matter form, and its nature is water, interestingly, very much like the water of <wrap hide>127|00:14:32|120|00:14:41|700</wrap>the atomic plane, suggesting a relationship, which we know does exist, between will and <wrap hide>128|00:14:41|700|00:14:46|820</wrap>desire, atomic will and astral desire. <wrap hide>129|00:14:47|940|00:14:50|560</wrap>The numbers here are eleven, six and two. <wrap hide>130|00:14:50|720|00:14:56|840</wrap>It's interesting that the eleven, in a way, sums to a two, so we certainly have the second <wrap hide>131|00:14:56|840|00:15:00|780</wrap>line rays particularly involved. <wrap hide>132|00:15:01|820|00:15:08|920</wrap>This is just, at first, a superficial look at the numbers and some associated ideas. <wrap hide>133|00:15:09|320|00:15:16|800</wrap>Probably everything we say can lead more deeply to the idea of the first ray, and the second <wrap hide>134|00:15:18|300|00:15:19|420</wrap>into exposition. <wrap hide>135|00:15:20|360|00:15:27|160</wrap>The Tibetan perhaps suggested the gathering of these details. <wrap hide>136|00:15:27|740|00:15:29|860</wrap>Perhaps it is Alice Bailey who had to gather them. <wrap hide>137|00:15:29|940|00:15:34|540</wrap>I don't know whether he dictated this chart or not. <wrap hide>138|00:15:34|620|00:15:39|160</wrap>He seemed to indicate that it had been gathered from a number of sources. <wrap hide>139|00:15:40|900|00:15:50|940</wrap>Anyway, the purpose is to transform the activity of the desire of the lunar lords into the <wrap hide>140|00:15:50|940|00:15:58|320</wrap>energy of love, and this, the hierarchy, the number eleven, interestingly enough, the number <wrap hide>141|00:15:58|320|00:16:01|240</wrap>of the initiate, the hierarchy undertakes. <wrap hide>142|00:16:01|400|00:16:06|920</wrap>This is the number of the sign Aquarius, eleven. <wrap hide>143|00:16:07|620|00:16:14|320</wrap>And, under the hierarchy, the transformation of desire into love does occur. <wrap hide>144|00:16:15|900|00:16:22|360</wrap>In a way, what we have is the number six moving to the number two. <wrap hide>145|00:16:23|060|00:16:36|900</wrap>Eventually, as the usual status of the astral plane, its usual actuality, its actuality <wrap hide>146|00:16:36|920|00:16:43|280</wrap>is apparent reality, is negated, and the energy of love is substituted. <wrap hide>147|00:16:45|340|00:16:50|240</wrap>He will say more, but not so very much, about these hierarchies. <wrap hide>148|00:16:52|100|00:16:56|720</wrap>There is, and this is interesting, you know, where do these lunar lords come from? <wrap hide>149|00:16:58|360|00:17:06|900</wrap>We can say that they are forms of life that are found initially on the moon chain, and <wrap hide>150|00:17:07|760|00:17:17|320</wrap>that when there was a moon chain failure, and the moon chain lord, in a way, was subsumed <wrap hide>151|00:17:17|320|00:17:24|320</wrap>or gathered into the field of expression of the earth chain lord, with both of them now <wrap hide>152|00:17:25|380|00:17:32|700</wrap>active upon our fourth, upon and within our fourth chain, then some of these forms of <wrap hide>153|00:17:32|700|00:17:42|100</wrap>life that were indigenous to the moon chain manifestation were moved, were transferred, <wrap hide>154|00:17:43|140|00:17:49|680</wrap>into our fourth chain, where they would undergo their evolution. <wrap hide>155|00:17:50|700|00:17:57|020</wrap>And they have a special evolution in relation to the animal and the human kingdom. <wrap hide>156|00:17:57|020|00:18:07|760</wrap>So, they are perhaps a little bit out of place when it comes to fourth chain lives, and this <wrap hide>157|00:18:07|760|00:18:18|440</wrap>we will see when we look at the treatise on cosmic fire, page 844. <wrap hide>158|00:18:18|440|00:18:32|480</wrap>Therefore, we will see here that lunar pitris can enter human evolution, but they are not <wrap hide>159|00:18:32|480|00:18:41|020</wrap>exactly in line with the animal, vegetable and mineral evolution of our particular chain. <wrap hide>160|00:18:41|200|00:18:48|420</wrap>They have come in, as it were, from the side, and they will be, they will be, they will <wrap hide>161|00:18:49|360|00:18:57|820</wrap>be, their destiny is to become men. Let's see if I can make this a little, the zoom <wrap hide>162|00:18:57|820|00:19:05|440</wrap>is just a little bit big, so if I bring it down a bit we might be able to read the whole <wrap hide>163|00:19:05|440|00:19:18|420</wrap>thing. Their destiny is to become men, now it's a little bit small for you I think. Let's <wrap hide>164|00:19:19|320|00:19:25|720</wrap>see, they will in their higher grades pass directly into the animal evolution. So here <wrap hide>165|00:19:25|720|00:19:29|280</wrap>they, you know there's no true place for them, they will actually in their higher grades <wrap hide>166|00:19:29|880|00:19:36|320</wrap>pass into the animal evolution which apparently is below them. The animal evolution of the <wrap hide>167|00:19:36|320|00:19:43|640</wrap>next cycle, and so eventually individualize as human beings. The three higher grades will <wrap hide>168|00:19:43|640|00:19:52|660</wrap>become animal men, and the lower four will contribute to the quaternary forms of the men <wrap hide>169|00:19:52|660|00:20:03|340</wrap>of the next creation. And what we have, what we have here is an evolution which has come <wrap hide>170|00:20:03|340|00:20:10|240</wrap>from the moon chain which has a chance to integrate into our usual method of rising <wrap hide>171|00:20:10|240|00:20:17|160</wrap>into the human kingdom, namely passing through the mineral, vegetable and animal kingdom. <wrap hide>172|00:20:17|420|00:20:23|860</wrap>So the lunar lords ruled by Mars have a very close connection to the animal kingdom which <wrap hide>173|00:20:23|860|00:20:37|320</wrap>is also ruled by Mars. And this form of subconscious life, shall we say non-individualized life, <wrap hide>174|00:20:37|320|00:20:45|160</wrap>will become animal men and will be individualized. And let's see, the three great animal men <wrap hide>175|00:20:45|160|00:20:52|440</wrap>and they will find their individualization, yes, and the lower forms will take forms of <wrap hide>176|00:20:52|440|00:20:59|480</wrap>the lunar pitris of the men of the next creation which will be perhaps a higher type of pitri <wrap hide>177|00:20:59|960|00:21:06|940</wrap>expression and they eventually will individualize as well. So really on our particular chain, <wrap hide>178|00:21:06|940|00:21:17|300</wrap>the earth chain, we have a two within one process operating. A lunar process, because it was <wrap hide>179|00:21:17|300|00:21:23|720</wrap>incomplete, continues to operate within the fourth chain, and this contrast between the <wrap hide>180|00:21:23|720|00:21:30|140</wrap>lunar tendency and the fourth chain tendency is causing a lot of conflict and a lot of <wrap hide>181|00:21:30|140|00:21:36|520</wrap>friction and a kind of cleavage which must be solved. It's essentially a cleavage between <wrap hide>182|00:21:36|520|00:21:45|380</wrap>the third ray which represents the lunar expression and the fourth ray second ray which represents <wrap hide>183|00:21:45|380|00:21:51|920</wrap>expression in our fourth chain. This has to be bridged and one of the ways of bridging <wrap hide>184|00:21:51|920|00:21:59|840</wrap>it is to master, is for us as human beings, to master our lunar tendencies so they do <wrap hide>185|00:21:59|840|00:22:08|840</wrap>not simply repeat themselves as they did in a previous time to no good end, to a chaotic <wrap hide>186|00:22:08|840|00:22:16|460</wrap>end. They have to be subdued and regulated, brought under Saturn, brought under the law, <wrap hide>187|00:22:16|680|00:22:25|020</wrap>brought under the spiritual will, which is our monadic and soul intention. Ok, that was <wrap hide>188|00:22:25|020|00:22:40|500</wrap>a little diversion I guess, and just pause here. Ok, we will then continue with our examination <wrap hide>189|00:22:40|500|00:22:48|420</wrap>of this chart. The twelfth creative hierarchy, which is really the seventh ruled by the seventh <wrap hide>190|00:22:48|420|00:22:56|620</wrap>ray, has naturally a relationship to the Kumarian hierarchy, which is almost liberated and also <wrap hide>191|00:22:56|620|00:23:04|420</wrap>ruled by the seventh ray. Interestingly, all of these hierarchies are part of what's called <wrap hide>192|00:23:04|420|00:23:15|920</wrap>here the seven states of being under karmic law. Karmic law is particularly administered <wrap hide>193|00:23:16|620|00:23:23|760</wrap>by the energies of the planet Saturn, which in a way rule the entire cosmic physical plane, <wrap hide>194|00:23:24|600|00:23:31|800</wrap>Saturn being a correspondence in some sense to the permanent atom, the physical permanent <wrap hide>195|00:23:31|800|00:23:38|360</wrap>atom of the Logos. It also has chakric correspondences and trying to sort out what is the difference <wrap hide>196|00:23:38|360|00:23:45|900</wrap>between a permanent atom correspondence and a chakric correspondence is a, it's a very <wrap hide>197|00:23:45|920|00:23:54|240</wrap>demanding exercise. Anyway, all of these are under karmic law and when we reach the cosmic <wrap hide>198|00:23:54|240|00:24:01|960</wrap>astral plane we are apparently liberated from that Saturnian influence. These are called <wrap hide>199|00:24:01|960|00:24:06|260</wrap>elemental lives, the baskets of nourishment, they are called the blinded lives, and I think <wrap hide>200|00:24:06|260|00:24:13|540</wrap>we can think of them as the life of matter. These are the lives expressing themselves <wrap hide>201|00:24:13|540|00:24:22|420</wrap>through the molecules, through the atoms, through the atoms of all greater and lesser <wrap hide>202|00:24:22|420|00:24:31|800</wrap>kinds, perhaps through subatomic particles and so forth. They are the tiniest lives and <wrap hide>203|00:24:31|800|00:24:40|420</wrap>need to be aggregated into form according to higher directives which serve higher energy <wrap hide>204|00:24:40|420|00:24:50|600</wrap>patterns. Interestingly they are under a sign Aquarius which related to Uranus which <wrap hide>205|00:24:50|600|00:24:57|240</wrap>is veiled by the moon has much to do with atomic energy and the power that is latent <wrap hide>206|00:24:57|240|00:25:08|580</wrap>in matter. Of course Aquarius would appear again, twelve cosmic subplanes up would appear <wrap hide>207|00:25:08|580|00:25:14|940</wrap>again on the second level of the cosmic astral plane, but that's a whole different study <wrap hide>208|00:25:14|940|00:25:22|300</wrap>difficult to verify. The moon is the ruler and interestingly enough its color here is <wrap hide>209|00:25:22|300|00:25:31|100</wrap>violet. Now the violet color will associate it with Uranus, the seventh ray planet, and <wrap hide>210|00:25:31|100|00:25:38|560</wrap>Uranus is also the major planet of the etheric planes. The etheric planes are the major planets <wrap hide>211|00:25:42|180|00:25:46|860</wrap>in a systemic sense and the etheric planes in a cosmic sense. So we would say then that <wrap hide>212|00:25:46|860|00:25:52|540</wrap>Uranus, the violet planet is veiled by the moon, but the moon has a lot to do with the <wrap hide>213|00:25:52|540|00:25:59|440</wrap>color violet as well. Its particular rhythms suggest the seventh ray and we certainly measure <wrap hide>214|00:26:00|300|00:26:08|560</wrap>time and cycles by the moon, the seventh ray, and the Tibetan gave the color Uranus, the <wrap hide>215|00:26:08|580|00:26:17|020</wrap>moon, of Cancer which is ruled by the moon as the color violet. We are told here that <wrap hide>216|00:26:17|020|00:26:22|820</wrap>it has no kind of energy, but later we will discover when the Tibetan is talking about <wrap hide>217|00:26:22|820|00:26:31|940</wrap>this seventh manifested creative hierarchy that there is a type of life energy associated <wrap hide>218|00:26:32|660|00:26:39|080</wrap>with it. So that's what I mean: this table was gathered. It's a very good table, but <wrap hide>219|00:26:39|080|00:26:46|660</wrap>it's not a table which the Tibetan dictated in a systematic manner. So we will have to <wrap hide>220|00:26:47|300|00:26:53|920</wrap>judge whether there is any type of energy here at all according to what he says when <wrap hide>221|00:26:53|920|00:27:01|380</wrap>he discusses the seventh creative hierarchy of the manifested kind. We do remember that <wrap hide>222|00:27:01|380|00:27:08|200</wrap>the moon at this point is said to have no radiation whatsoever, only a kind of negative <wrap hide>223|00:27:08|200|00:27:15|760</wrap>energy which arises from its own decomposition. Maybe we shouldn't even call it an energy. <wrap hide>224|00:27:16|260|00:27:22|660</wrap>So the idea of no energy rather fits with what the Tibetan says about the moon per se. <wrap hide>225|00:27:23|480|00:27:30|420</wrap>But I think these elemental lives, there is the presence of buddhi at the heart of every <wrap hide>226|00:27:30|420|00:27:35|700</wrap>atom in the solar system and I do think that presence will be found within these tiny lives <wrap hide>227|00:27:35|700|00:27:44|060</wrap>as well. These lives are particularly related to the plane of Earth. Now when we talked <wrap hide>228|00:27:44|060|00:27:49|220</wrap>about the four elements we looked at the etheric physical plane as associated with the element <wrap hide>229|00:27:49|220|00:27:58|540</wrap>Earth, astral plane obviously with water, mental plane with fire. Air is not specified <wrap hide>230|00:27:58|540|00:28:05|540</wrap>under the Buddhic plane but perhaps it should be, and then as well it would correlate with <wrap hide>231|00:28:05|540|00:28:14|760</wrap>the fire air of the Logoic plane. The Buddhic plane is in a way a very solar plane because <wrap hide>232|00:28:14|760|00:28:27|440</wrap>the Christ energy is expressing there with fair expansiveness, and that is a solar energy <wrap hide>233|00:28:27|440|00:28:35|760</wrap>and thus there is a connection with the plane ruled by Leo, mainly the Logoic plane where <wrap hide>234|00:28:35|760|00:28:43|180</wrap>the divine flames under Leo are expressing. These are two solar planes. In a way as well <wrap hide>235|00:28:44|120|00:28:53|340</wrap>we could say that the monadic plane is also a solar, also a solar plane. Well that was <wrap hide>236|00:28:53|340|00:29:07|960</wrap>a kind of a brief enumeration of the numbers that are found. We could draw lines, we should <wrap hide>237|00:29:07|960|00:29:14|260</wrap>draw lines from every number to every other similar number and try to trace the connections <wrap hide>238|00:29:14|260|00:29:22|480</wrap>but before we can really do that we have to have as clear an idea as possible as to the <wrap hide>239|00:29:22|480|00:29:26|420</wrap>function of each one of these hierarchies on each one of these levels and I would say <wrap hide>240|00:29:27|000|00:29:34|840</wrap>that most of us, and I include myself here, do not have that kind of specific knowledge <wrap hide>241|00:29:35|440|00:29:43|700</wrap>using the fifth ray which would make it even more profitable to draw the lines of relationship. <wrap hide>242|00:29:43|900|00:29:50|380</wrap>Though sometimes drawing lines of relationship and seeing the analogies which result from <wrap hide>243|00:29:50|940|00:30:02|680</wrap>those lines can clarify the specific function of a specific group on a specific plane. So <wrap hide>244|00:30:02|680|00:30:10|280</wrap>you know there is a lot of research that is needed here researching the kinds of energies <wrap hide>245|00:30:10|280|00:30:19|800</wrap>which go into each one of these hierarchies. I was just looking at iccha shakti, iccha <wrap hide>246|00:30:21|360|00:30:29|500</wrap>shakti, probably terribly wrong in the pronunciation, but this is a power of I-ness. I couldn't <wrap hide>247|00:30:29|500|00:30:35|220</wrap>help but notice that the word ich in German means I, although it's probably a very tenuous <wrap hide>248|00:30:35|220|00:30:40|640</wrap>connection, and we know that the petals of the egoic lotus on the higher mental plane <wrap hide>249|00:30:41|100|00:30:50|360</wrap>are imbued with a quality of energy which makes consciousness realise I-ness. That is <wrap hide>250|00:30:50|380|00:30:57|540</wrap>which turns consciousness around upon the centre from which the consciousness arises <wrap hide>251|00:30:58|000|00:31:06|300</wrap>and gives the feeling or the sense of, I don't know quite how to say it, of being a distinct <wrap hide>252|00:31:06|300|00:31:13|260</wrap>centre. And then that distinct centre begins to manifest as a distinct personality centre <wrap hide>253|00:31:13|930|00:31:23|220</wrap>which is very limited by that sense of I-ness. In other words it becomes separative. But <wrap hide>254|00:31:23|220|00:31:30|160</wrap>eventually there is a return to the I-ness of the higher mental plane as the soul infuses <wrap hide>255|00:31:30|160|00:31:38|280</wrap>the personality and then the quality of group consciousness arises and freedom is on its <wrap hide>256|00:31:38|280|00:31:46|140</wrap>way through these higher shaktis, these higher energies. So there is so much correlating <wrap hide>257|00:31:46|140|00:31:51|280</wrap>to be done here and I think it's only possible to scratch the surface, especially you know <wrap hide>258|00:31:51|840|00:31:57|540</wrap>if I were writing a book on this subject. Well this turns out I suppose to be my astrology <wrap hide>259|00:31:57|540|00:32:08|080</wrap>book because it's always so hard to find time to write in great detail when there are <wrap hide>260|00:32:08|080|00:32:15|200</wrap>writing. I suppose I could be more exacting in clarifying the nature of these factors <wrap hide>261|00:32:15|200|00:32:22|820</wrap>and their relationships. But somewhat speaking these books there will be perhaps less precision <wrap hide>262|00:32:22|820|00:32:31|280</wrap>along those lines though ideas may emerge which others can follow and elaborate. Alright <wrap hide>263|00:32:31|280|00:32:38|500</wrap>so we've looked at the table of unmanifested creative hierarchies or at least they're <wrap hide>264|00:32:38|500|00:32:43|440</wrap>manifesting on the cosmic astral plane but not on the cosmic physical plane along with <wrap hide>265|00:32:43|440|00:32:50|400</wrap>one intermediary hierarchy which appears to be manifesting on both planes and is located <wrap hide>266|00:32:52|520|00:32:58|900</wrap>probably in the etheric nature of the Logoic plane. And then we've looked at the seven <wrap hide>267|00:33:01|280|00:33:07|000</wrap>invested creative hierarchies. Usually when you have the numbers seven and five, seven <wrap hide>268|00:33:07|000|00:33:14|280</wrap>are sacred and five are non-sacred, but everything can reverse itself, and this is a point in <wrap hide>269|00:33:14|280|00:33:19|920</wrap>relation to these two charts. The five above are the most sacred and the seven are the <wrap hide>270|00:33:19|920|00:33:25|040</wrap>least sacred. I pointed this same thing out when we dealt with the four and the three. <wrap hide>271|00:33:25|740|00:33:32|940</wrap>Sometimes four is more, represents states that are more sacred than the three, and sometimes <wrap hide>272|00:33:32|940|00:33:39|080</wrap>three more sacred than the four. So it's all a question of context, and you have to turn <wrap hide>273|00:33:39|080|00:33:49|180</wrap>things in various directions in order to understand which has priority. The whole question of <wrap hide>274|00:33:49|180|00:33:55|680</wrap>priority, solving the problem of priority or that which comes first and that which is <wrap hide>275|00:33:55|680|00:34:07|200</wrap>highest in a hierarchical universe is of extreme importance. We have to know what is greater <wrap hide>276|00:34:07|200|00:34:18|520</wrap>and what is lesser, and so often our glamours, our distorted desires arise because we mis-evaluate <wrap hide>277|00:34:18|520|00:34:27|380</wrap>priority. We do not know that which is of the highest nature and that which is lower <wrap hide>278|00:34:27|380|00:34:33|480</wrap>than it, and thus we begin to desire that which is lower and exaggerate its importance as <wrap hide>279|00:34:33|480|00:34:42|720</wrap>if it were prior and hierarchically in a higher position. This is a great mistake, but if Libra <wrap hide>280|00:34:43|400|00:34:49|560</wrap>can begin to operate in our consciousness in the right way and Capricorn too, and Venus <wrap hide>281|00:34:49|560|00:34:57|460</wrap>too, we will develop a true sense of proportion, and we will thereby develop a true sense of <wrap hide>282|00:34:57|460|00:35:04|140</wrap>values. Venus is involved in the question of values, and we will desire that which is <wrap hide>283|00:35:04|140|00:35:12|700</wrap>higher over that which is lower, and then our desire nature will be hierarchalized. And <wrap hide>284|00:35:12|720|00:35:24|240</wrap>thereby will not be afflicted by the problem of glamour. So many of us right now are living <wrap hide>285|00:35:24|240|00:35:31|040</wrap>in a distorted world where we seem to desire that which is of lesser value, and we are convinced <wrap hide>286|00:35:31|040|00:35:37|500</wrap>it is of greater value. And only, maybe in the words of Master Morya, cosmic perception <wrap hide>287|00:35:37|500|00:35:44|940</wrap>will wear away this distortion, just as he tells us it will wear away irritation. In <wrap hide>288|00:35:44|940|00:35:52|140</wrap>other words, it will overcome the exaggerating tendencies of Mars, and we will see in the <wrap hide>289|00:35:52|140|00:35:53|680</wrap>light of true proportion. <wrap hide>290|00:35:54|680|00:36:03|680</wrap>Okay, now the following tabulation, and that's the one which we have been examining, showing <wrap hide>291|00:36:03|680|00:36:09|200</wrap>some astrological relationships in connection with the constellation of the Great Bear, <wrap hide>292|00:36:09|440|00:36:14|500</wrap>the Pleiades, or the Seven Sisters, Sirius and the Seven Solar Systems, and I have a <wrap hide>293|00:36:14|500|00:36:24|140</wrap>feeling that what we're going to have to do is put this tabulation of two sets of creative <wrap hide>294|00:36:24|140|00:36:33|660</wrap>hierarchies together with the tabulation on page 50 of Esoteric Astrology, which will truly <wrap hide>295|00:36:35|060|00:36:46|060</wrap>begin to connect some of these creative hierarchical factors with the constellations which were <wrap hide>296|00:36:46|060|00:36:52|540</wrap>just mentioned, which are the great sources. And I think you see it, we'll see it here. <wrap hide>297|00:36:55|900|00:36:59|500</wrap>Whoops, whoops, whoops, whoops, whoops, whoops. Trees in Cosmic Fire, how did that happen? <wrap hide>298|00:37:00|180|00:37:07|600</wrap>We want, not trees in Cosmic Fire, we want Esoteric Astrology on page 50. Yes, that's <wrap hide>299|00:37:07|600|00:37:14|960</wrap>what we want. And you see this tabulation number 3, how it deals with Sirius in relation <wrap hide>300|00:37:14|960|00:37:26|420</wrap>to astrological factors and to the fifth creative hierarchy, which is the almost liberated hierarchy. <wrap hide>301|00:37:26|620|00:37:35|040</wrap>You see how the Great Bear is related to Aries and Libra and to the Sun-veiling Vulcan indeed. <wrap hide>302|00:37:35|860|00:37:42|520</wrap>And to the second creative hierarchy, the eleventh, it's under Aries, but at the same <wrap hide>303|00:37:42|520|00:37:49|100</wrap>time we cannot leave out the hierarchy that is correlated with Libra, which is the eighth <wrap hide>304|00:37:49|100|00:37:54|740</wrap>counting down or the third manifested creative hierarchy. And since the Sun is veiling Vulcan, <wrap hide>305|00:37:54|740|00:37:59|760</wrap>we have to draw a line of relationship to the first manifested creative hierarchy ruled <wrap hide>306|00:37:59|760|00:38:06|740</wrap>by Leo. Interestingly enough with the Great Bear, you know, if you look at the dipper <wrap hide>307|00:38:08|400|00:38:13|020</wrap>of the Great Bear and lower your eyesight just a little bit in a parallel manner, you <wrap hide>308|00:38:13|020|00:38:23|300</wrap>will come to the constellation Leo. And when it comes to the Pleiades, we see them related <wrap hide>309|00:38:23|300|00:38:34|120</wrap>to Gemini and Sagittarius and to the Gemini hierarchy, yes, and therefore to the fourth <wrap hide>310|00:38:34|120|00:38:39|000</wrap>liberated creative hierarchy which is ruled by Gemini, but then we would also have to <wrap hide>311|00:38:39|000|00:38:44|480</wrap>bring in the Lunar Lords which are ruled by Sagittarius. I think you see what I mean. <wrap hide>312|00:38:46|180|00:38:57|420</wrap>Here is the Gemini hierarchy. It is the fourth ruled by the sixth ray, but if we look for <wrap hide>313|00:38:57|420|00:39:03|120</wrap>the Sagittarius hierarchy we come down here to the eleventh, interestingly with that number <wrap hide>314|00:39:03|120|00:39:10|260</wrap>eleven being quite a bit like Gemini. Anyway, you see how I'm suggesting that we draw lines <wrap hide>315|00:39:10|260|00:39:15|280</wrap>of relationship in order to interpret. All the above energies, we're reading from page <wrap hide>316|00:39:15|280|00:39:20|040</wrap>fifty of Esoteric Astrology and we will of course visit this page, are called into play <wrap hide>317|00:39:20|040|00:39:25|240</wrap>as far as man is concerned during the major initiations and upon the path of initiation. <wrap hide>318|00:39:25|480|00:39:31|400</wrap>So in other words, Sirius, the Great Bear and the Pleiades are beginning to be sensed following <wrap hide>319|00:39:32|260|00:39:39|580</wrap>the third initiation, and only minimally so at that point, because they mean a lot more <wrap hide>320|00:39:39|580|00:39:46|840</wrap>to still higher initiates than they can mean to the third-degree initiate who is just becoming <wrap hide>321|00:39:47|680|00:39:57|440</wrap>a disciple in relation to the Sirian regime, or to the star Sirius, or the Sirian Logos. <wrap hide>322|00:39:57|640|00:40:05|360</wrap>Then we have lesser energies, magnetic energies giving solar fire, and these are the seven <wrap hide>323|00:40:05|360|00:40:10|300</wrap>solar systems. And one of my— I think what I'm going to say now is important. You know, <wrap hide>324|00:40:11|140|00:40:17|820</wrap>there's been this ongoing debate as to whether the seven solar systems represent vast constellations <wrap hide>325|00:40:17|820|00:40:24|120</wrap>which are chakras and the One About Whom None May Be Said, or whether they are simply not <wrap hide>326|00:40:24|120|00:40:31|080</wrap>constellational but are in fact seven solar systems organized into one constellation. <wrap hide>327|00:40:31|720|00:40:42|520</wrap>Now there's no question about it: if we look here, we see that the dynamic energy, the energy <wrap hide>328|00:40:42|520|00:40:47|420</wrap>of will and of the monad, is connected with the first three; but the energy of soul is <wrap hide>329|00:40:47|420|00:40:56|260</wrap>connected with the seven solar systems. It is magnetic energy; it is hierarchically a <wrap hide>330|00:40:56|260|00:41:09|960</wrap>lesser energy. It is not the kind of superior energy you would expect to find in the great <wrap hide>331|00:41:09|960|00:41:15|420</wrap>chakras—all seven of them, as far as that goes—of the One About Whom None May Be Said, <wrap hide>332|00:41:15|420|00:41:23|020</wrap>but you would expect this magnetic energy to be found in relation to solar Logoi. This <wrap hide>333|00:41:23|020|00:41:30|180</wrap>is related to the Taurus hierarchy, this energy of the seven solar systems, and also to our <wrap hide>334|00:41:30|700|00:41:37|480</wrap>humanity. We are supposed to become a station of light; our human hierarchy is to become <wrap hide>335|00:41:37|480|00:41:44|300</wrap>a great station of light. So our Scorpio hierarchy is definitely related to Taurus as it is expressed <wrap hide>336|00:41:44|300|00:41:50|320</wrap>through Mars. Now whether the seven solar systems should be looked at in terms of a <wrap hide>337|00:41:50|320|00:41:57|220</wrap>solar plexus response or a sacral response, this still has to be discussed; but what I'm <wrap hide>338|00:41:57|220|00:42:04|120</wrap>trying to express is that they are hierarchically lower than the three great constellations, <wrap hide>339|00:42:06|100|00:42:13|860</wrap>and if you normally talk about seven solar systems being seven great constellations which <wrap hide>340|00:42:13|860|00:42:18|480</wrap>are chakras and the One About Whom None May Be Said, you would include the three that are <wrap hide>341|00:42:18|480|00:42:27|700</wrap>above; but obviously the three that are above are distinct from these seven. So I think <wrap hide>342|00:42:27|700|00:42:33|680</wrap>there is a good case for looking at them as expressing soul energy and not the dynamic <wrap hide>343|00:42:33|680|00:42:39|400</wrap>energy of the One About Whom None May Be Said, but rather a type of energy which is found <wrap hide>344|00:42:39|400|00:42:46|160</wrap>in one of the chakras of the One About Whom None May Be Said—namely, a cosmic Logos in <wrap hide>345|00:42:46|160|00:42:55|980</wrap>which our Sun and our solar Logos finds its place as a heart center. Alright, that's a— <wrap hide>346|00:42:55|980|00:43:02|040</wrap>you know, a little bit of a technical thing, but again it's a question of prioritization <wrap hide>347|00:43:02|040|00:43:10|640</wrap>and hierarchicalization. What is higher than what? What is lower than what? In a way, of <wrap hide>348|00:43:10|640|00:43:15|680</wrap>course, everything is equal, because there is only one being manifesting through different <wrap hide>349|00:43:15|680|00:43:22|760</wrap>dimensions; but when we get into the level of categorizing the manifestations of the <wrap hide>350|00:43:22|760|00:43:29|540</wrap>only one thing, we do have to hierarchicalize; we do have to do that. Alright, now let's see <wrap hide>351|00:43:29|540|00:43:39|880</wrap>where we are taken. What I did here was I took a little trip over to page 50 of Esoteric <wrap hide>352|00:43:39|880|00:43:47|260</wrap>Astrology, because I saw that it was pointing out the connection of these constellations <wrap hide>353|00:43:47|760|00:43:55|220</wrap>and the seven solar systems with the information that is given in the two creative hierarchy <wrap hide>354|00:43:55|220|00:44:03|840</wrap>charts, and you wouldn't have that without the map on page 50. So we went to page 50 <wrap hide>355|00:44:03|840|00:44:16|040</wrap>of Esoteric Astrology to detect some of the relationships suggested. Now you know you <wrap hide>356|00:44:16|040|00:44:24|540</wrap>can obviously tell that—you know you can tell that we're doing this a little superficially, <wrap hide>357|00:44:25|940|00:44:32|880</wrap>because you could spend the rest of your life in this incarnation, and maybe others, on these <wrap hide>358|00:44:32|880|00:44:39|800</wrap>tabulations and associated charts, because they lay out in tabular form, in graphic form, <wrap hide>359|00:44:40|740|00:44:48|880</wrap>truths which are barely suspected by us with our human mind. Alright, so we have studied <wrap hide>360|00:44:48|880|00:44:56|560</wrap>page 34 and 35, which are the tabulations of creative hierarchies, and now we get into the <wrap hide>361|00:44:56|560|00:45:10|040</wrap>text related to those tabulations. So he gives some general statements about creative hierarchies. <wrap hide>362|00:45:10|040|00:45:17|380</wrap>And we will have to be slow and cautious in trying to divine some of the implications. <wrap hide>363|00:45:18|120|00:45:26|540</wrap><wrap quote>1. The Hierarchy of Creative Powers is divided esoterically into seven (4 and 3) <wrap hide>364|00:45:26|560|00:45:34|940</wrap> //within// the Twelve Great Orders.</wrap> Now here we're talking about the manifested creative <wrap hide>365|00:45:35|000|00:45:47|180</wrap>hierarchies. The manifested creative hierarchies with four above which are self-conscious and <wrap hide>366|00:45:47|180|00:45:56|540</wrap>three below which are not yet individualized. When we talk about the twelve great orders, <wrap hide>367|00:45:56|560|00:46:04|420</wrap>when we come to the hierarchy of solar angels, the idea of a dual hierarchy is very much <wrap hide>368|00:46:04|420|00:46:13|060</wrap>pronounced here because perhaps there are certain lives here which are the lower part <wrap hide>369|00:46:13|060|00:46:22|200</wrap>of this dual hierarchy which are not yet self-conscious, but the higher part which are the solar angels, <wrap hide>370|00:46:22|760|00:46:28|960</wrap>the Agni Sivatas, the solar petries, all those names, are certainly self-conscious and far <wrap hide>371|00:46:28|960|00:46:33|800</wrap>beyond that. They are group conscious; they are God conscious; they are initiates of a <wrap hide>372|00:46:33|800|00:46:38|300</wrap>previous solar system. So I think what he's doing is dividing these manifested creative <wrap hide>373|00:46:38|300|00:46:45|280</wrap>hierarchies into four groups which are definitely self-conscious and into three groups which <wrap hide>374|00:46:46|120|00:46:54|940</wrap>are not. But as I say, the solar angel is in an ambiguous position and why this should <wrap hide>375|00:46:54|940|00:47:01|180</wrap>be a dual hierarchy, one symbolized by the upright pentagram and the other by the inverted <wrap hide>376|00:47:01|180|00:47:08|160</wrap>pentagram associated with black magic and the concrete mind, all of that has to be clarified. <wrap hide>377|00:47:09|020|00:47:18|160</wrap>All right, now twelve great orders. Now a hierarchy of creative powers, what does that mean? What <wrap hide>378|00:47:18|160|00:47:23|200</wrap>are the creative powers? This is a creative hierarchies of monads; that's what they are. <wrap hide>379|00:47:23|860|00:47:34|960</wrap>The lives expressing within these hierarchies are monadic lives at different stages of pre-critic <wrap hide>380|00:47:34|960|00:47:45|260</wrap>immersion or immersion into matter. Essentially, as monads they are all equivalent because <wrap hide>381|00:47:45|260|00:47:51|240</wrap>there is only one monad in all of cosmos. A monad is a monad; it is pure being. But <wrap hide>382|00:47:51|240|00:48:00|400</wrap>in terms of the sheaths aggregated around the monad, these are sheaths of relatively <wrap hide>383|00:48:00|400|00:48:08|720</wrap>greater or lesser density, and that is what seems to define the status of a monad. Although <wrap hide>384|00:48:08|720|00:48:13|240</wrap>all monads are equivalent, they are all on the level, as it were; they are all equal. <wrap hide>385|00:48:14|020|00:48:21|800</wrap>All monads are created equal. All men are certainly not created equal; they are created <wrap hide>386|00:48:21|800|00:48:28|660</wrap>equal in the monadic sense, but they certainly do not manifest equally. So these creative <wrap hide>387|00:48:28|660|00:48:39|140</wrap>powers are hierarchies of monads, and of course this continues with hierarchies far beyond <wrap hide>388|00:48:39|140|00:48:46|700</wrap>the divine orders, beyond the twelve which we are now considering. Why are we considering <wrap hide>389|00:48:46|700|00:48:52|560</wrap>only twelve? Well, you know, we can barely make sense of twelve, so I am sure the Tibetan <wrap hide>390|00:48:52|560|00:49:01|460</wrap>necessarily draws a limit there, because otherwise we would be into useless speculation as far <wrap hide>391|00:49:01|460|00:49:09|220</wrap>as we are concerned, and maybe we are there already. <wrap quote> Three Hierarchies are—in <wrap hide>392|00:49:09|220|00:49:20|060</wrap>this greater cycle—</wrap> And what might that be? It could be the cycle of the Solar Logos in <wrap hide>393|00:49:20|060|00:49:27|380</wrap>this incarnation, perhaps, are <wrap quote>of profound significance,</wrap> And if we say profound significance <wrap hide>394|00:49:27|380|00:49:32|880</wrap>and think of the creative hierarchies as systemic, solar systemic beings, then it has to be profound <wrap hide>395|00:49:32|880|00:49:41|760</wrap>significance to the solar system, not just to man. <wrap quote>the fourth or human Creative Hierarchy</wrap> <wrap hide>396|00:49:42|060|00:49:50|040</wrap>that's our Creative Hierarchy, which is probably the means by which the tendencies of the previous <wrap hide>397|00:49:50|060|00:49:59|520</wrap>solar system, which are very Brahmic and material and mental, are brought together with the tendencies <wrap hide>398|00:49:59|520|00:50:07|480</wrap>of our present solar system in which the divine ray of love-wisdom is to emerge. <wrap quote>and the two <wrap hide>399|00:50:07|480|00:50:13|580</wrap>deva Hierarchies,</wrap> we have to, as I said before, some of these are, what can I call <wrap hide>400|00:50:13|580|00:50:22|220</wrap>it, mannish Hierarchies or having to do with man as an entity and all of the types of men <wrap hide>401|00:50:22|220|00:50:28|900</wrap>there are from the tiny human being all the way up to the heavenly man and the grand heavenly <wrap hide>402|00:50:28|900|00:50:38|040</wrap>man and the super grand heavenly man and on and on. There are these Hierarchies which <wrap hide>403|00:50:38|040|00:50:43|160</wrap>relate to man and Hierarchies which relate to devas, and <wrap quote>the fifth and the sixth.</wrap> so four, <wrap hide>404|00:50:43|160|00:50:52|320</wrap>five and six, they are contiguous Hierarchies, are of profound significance. Probably the <wrap hide>405|00:50:53|380|00:51:02|420</wrap>deva Hierarchy, the fifth Hierarchy of solar angels, the great redeeming lords of love, <wrap hide>406|00:51:02|800|00:51:10|940</wrap>are that magnetic force which is drawing together the Hierarchies which are connected with the <wrap hide>407|00:51:10|940|00:51:21|500</wrap>moon and the Hierarchy like the Hierarchy of human beings, fourth grade, which is supposed <wrap hide>408|00:51:21|500|00:51:30|320</wrap>to pursue a Buddhic second solar system line of development. So somehow the fifth grade <wrap hide>409|00:51:30|320|00:51:35|800</wrap>of hierarchy stands between them. There are these lunar lords which are carrying on a <wrap hide>410|00:51:35|800|00:51:43|280</wrap>tendency not only from our previous solar, not only from our previous chain, the Moon <wrap hide>411|00:51:43|280|00:51:50|380</wrap>chain, but from the previous solar system. It's a definitely third-ray tendency, the <wrap hide>412|00:51:50|380|00:51:59|800</wrap>numbers three and six being very related. So that operates on the astral plane, but <wrap hide>413|00:51:59|800|00:52:05|340</wrap>the human Hierarchy is meant to eventually operate on the Buddhic plane, and we know the <wrap hide>414|00:52:05|340|00:52:11|800</wrap>astral Buddhic connection. And eventually the astral plane is to be suffused by the pure <wrap hide>415|00:52:11|800|00:52:18|420</wrap>love of the Buddhic plane, and perhaps a man whose soul ray will one day be the second <wrap hide>416|00:52:18|420|00:52:26|600</wrap>ray, expressing the sixth principle of Buddhic love, will be instrumental in helping that <wrap hide>417|00:52:27|460|00:52:35|320</wrap>connection exist between these lower lunar forms and the Buddhically tending forms of <wrap hide>418|00:52:35|940|00:52:43|980</wrap>our second solar system. And meanwhile, the solar angels are acting as a bridge because <wrap hide>419|00:52:43|980|00:52:50|680</wrap>they have this full Buddhic love and they're teaching humanity how to possess it and how <wrap hide>420|00:52:51|500|00:52:59|280</wrap>to express it. And one day we will, as it were, take over for the solar angels and be able <wrap hide>421|00:52:59|280|00:53:06|380</wrap>to be the bridge ourselves. We are under the number four, and that is the bridging ray, <wrap hide>422|00:53:06|380|00:53:14|620</wrap>and we will help to make a bridge between the lower tendencies inherited from the past <wrap hide>423|00:53:14|620|00:53:20|040</wrap>and the tendencies which should be cultivated in the present. We will help the whole process <wrap hide>424|00:53:20|040|00:53:28|560</wrap>move from the primordial ray of intelligence to the divine ray of love-wisdom. That word <wrap hide>425|00:53:28|560|00:53:33|400</wrap>"divine" is very important. It usually indicates that the monad is involved, and the monad we <wrap hide>426|00:53:33|400|00:53:41|920</wrap>realise is on the second sub-plane, connecting it with love-wisdom. So three hierarchies <wrap hide>427|00:53:41|920|00:53:47|680</wrap>anyway are of the greatest significance and certainly of the greatest significance to <wrap hide>428|00:53:47|680|00:53:52|580</wrap>man. Now, is this true throughout the solar system? Well, it's certainly true upon our <wrap hide>429|00:53:53|240|00:54:01|840</wrap>planet, and we have to, since creative hierarchies are really a solar systemic expression, we <wrap hide>430|00:54:01|840|00:54:09|020</wrap>have to think of them as having a systemic significance and that the things that are said <wrap hide>431|00:54:09|480|00:54:14|900</wrap>here apply, of course, to our planet and maybe in a special way, but in a <wrap hide>432|00:54:14|900|00:54:22|560</wrap>general way to the entire solar system, to the life of the Solar Logos. What I think <wrap hide>433|00:54:22|580|00:54:30|060</wrap>I should do—it strikes me that I should gather some references about the creative hierarchies <wrap hide>434|00:54:32|240|00:54:38|800</wrap>and perhaps read through them as supplemental material, because we're not really going to <wrap hide>435|00:54:38|800|00:54:45|560</wrap>do this for Cosmic Fire. My commentaries on Cosmic Fire are perhaps nine-tenths completed, <wrap hide>436|00:54:46|200|00:54:53|580</wrap>and probably I have written with greater clarity than I can speak, so there probably isn't much <wrap hide>437|00:54:53|580|00:55:00|780</wrap>sense to try to repeat verbally what I've already written there. But there is sense <wrap hide>438|00:55:00|780|00:55:06|400</wrap>in gathering certain significant references which we can append to what we are reading, <wrap hide>439|00:55:06|400|00:55:12|420</wrap>and in a way this whole section on the creative hierarchies is taken out of Cosmic Fire. D.K. <wrap hide>440|00:55:12|420|00:55:17|060</wrap>must have thought it was very important when considering the larger astrological picture. <wrap hide>441|00:55:19|100|00:55:24|880</wrap><wrap quote>The fourth creative hierarchy, we are told, is in reality the ninth, and that is why it <wrap hide>442|00:55:24|880|00:55:28|460</wrap>is called the hierarchy of initiates.</wrap> Well, do we understand what he said there? Because <wrap hide>443|00:55:28|460|00:55:38|980</wrap>nine is the number of initiation. And if we look at this, we will see the number nine <wrap hide>444|00:55:38|980|00:55:45|660</wrap>is there—that's our human hierarchy—and the ray four and the number four. Well, nine, <wrap hide>445|00:55:45|660|00:55:51|200</wrap>four, four—those are the numbers, and they are there. The Buddhic suggestion is very <wrap hide>446|00:55:51|200|00:56:00|800</wrap>strong and the idea of being a true initiate in the second solar system is powerfully present. <wrap hide>447|00:56:01|120|00:56:06|220</wrap>Maybe there were not nine initiations in the previous solar system. Maybe there were not <wrap hide>448|00:56:06|220|00:56:15|000</wrap>even seven planes per se. Maybe in the previous solar system there were five planes, or at <wrap hide>449|00:56:15|000|00:56:19|700</wrap>least five active planes; in the present solar system seven; in the future solar system nine. <wrap hide>450|00:56:20|960|00:56:29|080</wrap>Those are the numbers of the three solar systems: five, seven, and nine; five and seven and twelve, <wrap hide>451|00:56:29|080|00:56:36|660</wrap>and nine making twenty-one, and then the unity making twenty-two, which is the somehow very <wrap hide>452|00:56:36|660|00:56:42|880</wrap>powerful number for Arsota Logos—the two and the two. Two plus two equals four. In <wrap hide>453|00:56:42|880|00:56:47|780</wrap>a funny kind of way, Arsota Logos might have a fourth ray monad, or at least fourth ray <wrap hide>454|00:56:47|780|00:56:54|820</wrap>sub-monad, and his secondary soul and secondary personality, two plus two, can combine and <wrap hide>455|00:56:54|820|00:57:00|400</wrap>merge into his fourth ray monad. Though eventually I do think he will be two two two, and his <wrap hide>456|00:57:00|400|00:57:09|080</wrap>higher monadic ray will be the second, eventually. Although perhaps in the next solar system <wrap hide>457|00:57:09|080|00:57:13|440</wrap>What we'll be dealing with is two-two-one, because his personality ray will probably <wrap hide>458|00:57:13|440|00:57:20|280</wrap>be the first ray. So the fourth creative hierarchy is, in reality—well, reality means you have <wrap hide>459|00:57:20|280|00:57:25|580</wrap>to include the higher hierarchies and begin numbering from those higher hierarchies. So <wrap hide>460|00:57:25|580|00:57:29|740</wrap>if we number from the unmanifested hierarchies and count down to the human, we will get the <wrap hide>461|00:57:29|740|00:57:38|320</wrap>number nine, and it will show that we human beings are destined to complete—we are destined <wrap hide>462|00:57:38|790|00:57:48|360</wrap>to complete nine initiations within the fourth creative hierarchy. D.K. tells us not all of <wrap hide>463|00:57:48|360|00:57:53|280</wrap>us take those nine initiations, at least not immediately, at least in association with <wrap hide>464|00:57:53|280|00:57:58|880</wrap>our planet. And then not all human beings take initiations anyway; many human <wrap hide>465|00:57:58|880|00:58:04|460</wrap>beings rise with the rising of the kingdom itself and do not forge ahead on the arduous <wrap hide>466|00:58:04|460|00:58:11|580</wrap>and independent path of initiation. But eventually we will be elevated to the point where we <wrap hide>467|00:58:11|580|00:58:21|680</wrap>will be able to refuse our connection with the cosmic physical plane, at least in this <wrap hide>468|00:58:21|680|00:58:28|220</wrap>solar system. Now if we return—many of us having taken the path to Sirius—in the next <wrap hide>469|00:58:28|220|00:58:34|140</wrap>solar system and have to have a relationship with the cosmic physical plane, it will be <wrap hide>470|00:58:34|140|00:58:40|760</wrap>for redemptive purposes and not because we are in any way trapped by the cosmic physical <wrap hide>471|00:58:40|760|00:58:46|820</wrap>plane. Anyway, D.K. says yes, the relation of the nine <wrap quote>and</wrap> four <wrap quote>can be seen by referring <wrap hide>472|00:58:46|820|00:58:56|520</wrap>to the chart,</wrap> and this we have done. Okay, oh my goodness, I've been talking. Uh-oh, <wrap hide>473|00:58:57|620|00:59:07|280</wrap>it's time now—I'm sorry, it's time for our Great Invocation because already 58 minutes <wrap hide>474|00:59:07|280|00:59:16|660</wrap>have elapsed, and I don't want to get into that strange position. So this is the number <wrap hide>475|00:59:16|660|00:59:29|920</wrap>EAA 15, June—oh, 28 June, 29 June, '11. Alright, let us have The Great Invocation then, and <wrap hide>476|00:59:29|920|00:59:35|480</wrap>we will continue. Unfortunately I cannot continue immediately while I'm warmed up because of <wrap hide>477|00:59:35|480|00:59:43|360</wrap>the technical problems involved in making this available to Mac viewers. But maybe a <wrap hide>478|00:59:43|360|00:59:48|440</wrap>situation can be worked out—maybe with two computers, I don't know. Anyway, for the moment <wrap hide>479|00:59:48|440|01:00:04|040</wrap>let us see The Great Invocation, and... okay. Oh, from the point of light within the mind <wrap hide>480|01:00:04|040|01:00:05|380</wrap>of God, and we'll go together. <wrap hide>481|01:00:16|180|01:00:22|480</wrap>From the point of light within the mind of God, let light stream forth into the minds <wrap hide>482|01:00:22|480|01:00:32|380</wrap>of men. Let light descend on Earth. From the point of love within the heart of God, let <wrap hide>483|01:00:32|380|01:00:41|340</wrap>love stream forth into the hearts of men. May Christ return to Earth. From the centre <wrap hide>484|01:00:41|340|01:00:47|720</wrap>where the will of God is known, let purpose guide the little wills of men—the purpose <wrap hide>485|01:00:47|720|01:00:56|600</wrap>which the Masters know and serve. From the centre which we call the race of men, let <wrap hide>486|01:00:56|600|01:01:04|860</wrap>the plan of love and light work out, and may it seal the door where evil dwells. Let light <wrap hide>487|01:01:04|860|01:01:10|280</wrap>and love and power restore the plan on Earth. <wrap hide>488|01:01:13|980|01:01:26|580</wrap>Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. <wrap hide>489|01:01:40|880|01:01:46|380</wrap>Okay, everyone, we will be moving on, I think, to number 17. I guess this is number 16. We <wrap hide>490|01:01:46|380|01:01:52|240</wrap>will be continuing with the Creative Hierarchies. We will certainly be on that for quite a while. <wrap hide>491|01:01:53|680|01:02:00|300</wrap>So, okay, I'll be back to you as soon as I can, and I hope this is useful to you, and <wrap hide>492|01:02:00|300|01:02:04|520</wrap>we will proceed. Many blessings; we'll see you soon.+<wrap hide>1|00:00:14|120|00:00:22|160</wrap>Okay, hi everybody. This is Esoteric Astrology Adventure number 16, and we are picking up <wrap hide>2|00:00:22|160|00:00:36|400</wrap>in our discussion of the table on page number 35. <wrap hide>3|00:00:39|960|00:00:51|860</wrap>We were simply delineating the numbers and the astrological factors and other facts which <wrap hide>4|00:00:51|860|00:00:53|580</wrap>can be found in relation to this table. <wrap hide>5|00:00:54|220|00:01:04|580</wrap>We had covered up to the fifth manifesting creative hierarchy. <wrap hide>6|00:01:06|440|00:01:10|040</wrap>This is an interesting hierarchy and very, very important. <wrap hide>7|00:01:10|980|00:01:16|940</wrap>It is the tenth numbering down, the fifth of the manifested creative hierarchies, and <wrap hide>8|00:01:16|940|00:01:18|580</wrap>the third numbering up. <wrap hide>9|00:01:19|390|00:01:26|500</wrap>We can see it has a great deal to do with the mind, with the numbers 5 and 3, and also <wrap hide>10|00:01:27|660|00:01:32|040</wrap>with the will, with integration and with power. <wrap hide>11|00:01:33|200|00:01:42|200</wrap>The name is said to be the human personality, the crocodiles, and Makara, the mystery. <wrap hide>12|00:01:42|200|00:01:48|780</wrap>But from another point of view, this fifth creative hierarchy is the hierarchy of solar <wrap hide>13|00:01:48|780|00:02:02|380</wrap>angels, and we have to wonder whether this particular hierarchy is dual in the sense <wrap hide>14|00:02:02|380|00:02:07|940</wrap>that part of it represents the personality or the crocodiles, and part of it represents <wrap hide>15|00:02:07|940|00:02:17|120</wrap>Makara or the actual Agnishvatas or solar deities who have descended sacrificially to <wrap hide>16|00:02:17|700|00:02:19|360</wrap>aid the human being. <wrap hide>17|00:02:21|140|00:02:27|080</wrap>Its ruling sign is Capricorn, and Venus is the hierarchical ruler, Venus the planet of <wrap hide>18|00:02:27|080|00:02:27|940</wrap>the solar angels. <wrap hide>19|00:02:28|860|00:02:38|560</wrap>Its color is indigo, which interestingly enough is the esoteric color of the fifth ray, and <wrap hide>20|00:02:38|560|00:02:40|820</wrap>so is a color deeply associated with Venus. <wrap hide>21|00:02:42|140|00:02:51|880</wrap>If we look at the notes in the C major scale, we will find that the note A, which is correlated <wrap hide>22|00:02:51|880|00:02:58|060</wrap>with the fifth ray, has associated with it the color indigo. <wrap hide>23|00:02:59|080|00:03:08|400</wrap>Icha shakti, the will to manifest—in this case, the will to manifest a human personality <wrap hide>24|00:03:08|950|00:03:12|300</wrap>through which the higher triad can express. <wrap hide>25|00:03:14|940|00:03:22|880</wrap>Its element is fire, which is interesting because it relates it up here to the first <wrap hide>26|00:03:22|880|00:03:26|180</wrap>creative hierarchy under Leo, whose element is also fire. <wrap hide>27|00:03:28|320|00:03:32|660</wrap>We have a relationship between Leo and Capricorn. <wrap hide>28|00:03:33|080|00:03:38|600</wrap>D.K. discussed the lion and the unicorn, but in this case Leo is the superior hierarchy <wrap hide>29|00:03:38|600|00:03:39|240</wrap>apparently. <wrap hide>30|00:03:39|760|00:03:45|700</wrap>It operates on the mental plane, and we do not necessarily see a division here between <wrap hide>31|00:03:45|700|00:03:54|340</wrap>the higher and lower mental plane, although we do see in this picture that it is divided. <wrap hide>32|00:03:54|700|00:04:02|440</wrap>So does this particular hierarchy manifest on both the higher and lower mental plane? <wrap hide>33|00:04:02|440|00:04:09|660</wrap>And as it manifests on the lower mental plane, should it be considered the human personality <wrap hide>34|00:04:10|460|00:04:12|860</wrap>associated with the crocodiles? <wrap hide>35|00:04:13|620|00:04:19|160</wrap>And as it manifests on the higher mental plane, if it does, should it be considered the hierarchy <wrap hide>36|00:04:19|160|00:04:20|460</wrap>of solar angels? <wrap hide>37|00:04:20|660|00:04:29|420</wrap>Now the higher mental plane is not the true plane of the solar angels or Agnishvatas. <wrap hide>38|00:04:30|520|00:04:35|460</wrap>It is the plane of service, we might say. <wrap hide>39|00:04:36|320|00:04:44|440</wrap>A truer plane for the Agnishvatas will be the Buddhic plane and perhaps a still higher <wrap hide>40|00:04:44|440|00:04:45|260</wrap>plane. <wrap hide>41|00:04:46|520|00:04:56|340</wrap>They were, we learn, initiates of the previous solar system—human initiates in the previous <wrap hide>42|00:04:56|340|00:04:58|980</wrap>solar system and are initiates of all degrees. <wrap hide>43|00:04:59|860|00:05:07|420</wrap>Does this mean that they rose in their higher nature from off the cosmic physical plane? <wrap hide>44|00:05:09|770|00:05:16|440</wrap>Were there five planes active in that previous embryonic solar system, and if so did they <wrap hide>45|00:05:16|440|00:05:17|760</wrap>rise to the very top? <wrap hide>46|00:05:18|680|00:05:22|560</wrap>Do they have a place on the cosmic astral plane? <wrap hide>47|00:05:22|560|00:05:26|460</wrap>You see, one of the things we have to look at when we look at this table of creative <wrap hide>48|00:05:26|460|00:05:37|780</wrap>hierarchies is that the plane given for a particular hierarchy is its plane of service <wrap hide>49|00:05:37|780|00:05:41|260</wrap>expression, and not the plane of its monad. <wrap hide>50|00:05:42|840|00:05:59|360</wrap>Now, if we find that monads all dwell on monadic sub-planes of a particular cosmic plane, then <wrap hide>51|00:05:59|810|00:06:05|820</wrap>we find the human monad dwelling really on the second sub-plane, though its plane of <wrap hide>52|00:06:05|820|00:06:07|820</wrap>expression will be the Buddhic plane. <wrap hide>53|00:06:08|060|00:06:16|440</wrap>This inclines us to believe that the superior hierarchies to the human have their monads <wrap hide>54|00:06:17|380|00:06:24|600</wrap>not on the cosmic physical plane at all, but on the cosmic astral plane. <wrap hide>55|00:06:25|440|00:06:32|720</wrap>Let's see if I can... I think what I should have here is this should be made available: <wrap hide>56|00:06:32|720|00:06:44|580</wrap>let's see, Fellowship of Cosmic Fire, and yes, Diagrams, and Chart Number 5 should perhaps <wrap hide>57|00:06:44|580|00:06:53|880</wrap>always be made available, because on it... Okay now, do appear, looks like it's going to appear <wrap hide>58|00:06:53|880|00:06:54|680</wrap>any minute now. <wrap hide>59|00:06:55|440|00:07:07|900</wrap>On this super cosmic physical plane, or list of seven cosmic planes, we could imagine that <wrap hide>60|00:07:07|900|00:07:18|420</wrap>higher hierarchies than the human would have their monadic presence not on the cosmic physical <wrap hide>61|00:07:18|420|00:07:23|380</wrap>plane, but here on the second level of the cosmic astral plane, or on the second level <wrap hide>62|00:07:23|380|00:07:27|340</wrap>of the cosmic mental plane, and so forth. <wrap hide>63|00:07:29|360|00:07:37|960</wrap>A being such as a solar Logos, or even a planetary Logos, which has its causal body on the second, <wrap hide>64|00:07:38|000|00:07:53|360</wrap>third, or fourth sub-level of the cosmic mental plane would have its monadic point on the... <wrap hide>65|00:07:53|880|00:08:03|820</wrap>Yeah, the planetary Logoi of all kinds and solar Logoi are in creative hierarchies that <wrap hide>66|00:08:03|820|00:08:08|200</wrap>are much higher than the creative hierarchies which we are studying. <wrap hide>67|00:08:09|460|00:08:21|980</wrap>So anyway, back to this: we will have much of real enigma appearing as we study the fifth <wrap hide>68|00:08:21|980|00:08:29|100</wrap>creative hierarchy, because it is a hierarchy of sacrificial service, a hierarchy of fallen <wrap hide>69|00:08:29|100|00:08:36|340</wrap>angels who have in a way fallen into the dense physical body of the solar Logos for purposes <wrap hide>70|00:08:36|340|00:08:49|480</wrap>of service, though their real plane, the plane of their higher expression, would not be so <wrap hide>71|00:08:49|480|00:08:55|400</wrap>far away from the body of the solar Logos, and their higher principles altogether could <wrap hide>72|00:08:55|400|00:08:59|200</wrap>well be found on the cosmic astral plane. <wrap hide>73|00:08:59|380|00:09:01|680</wrap>I'm thinking about what it takes to become a solar angel. <wrap hide>74|00:09:03|400|00:09:11|540</wrap>We have to journey on the path to Sirius where we are taught the methods of solar angelic <wrap hide>75|00:09:11|540|00:09:17|760</wrap>function, and that path to Sirius, the fourth cosmic path, leads to the cosmic astral plane. <wrap hide>76|00:09:17|760|00:09:23|940</wrap>Well, what aspect of the human being who is becoming a solar angel is going to the cosmic <wrap hide>77|00:09:23|940|00:09:24|480</wrap>astral plane? <wrap hide>78|00:09:24|580|00:09:29|220</wrap>Well, you have to be a sixth degree initiate to travel, and if you are a sixth degree initiate, <wrap hide>79|00:09:29|420|00:09:36|660</wrap>you are a fully aware monad, polarized in your monadic vehicle. <wrap hide>80|00:09:37|800|00:09:47|740</wrap>So it becomes pretty obvious in that respect that the monadic level of the cosmic astral— <wrap hide>81|00:09:47|760|00:09:57|500</wrap>fifth creative hierarchy is indeed located on the cosmic astral plane, and not on the <wrap hide>82|00:09:57|500|00:10:03|420</wrap>cosmic physical plane, the way the human hierarchy of monads is located. <wrap hide>83|00:10:04|420|00:10:07|700</wrap>I hope that that is somewhat clear. <wrap hide>84|00:10:07|860|00:10:17|740</wrap>I mean, this position of the solar angels, at least in some expressive aspect, on the <wrap hide>85|00:10:17|760|00:10:27|740</wrap>mental plane represents a very great sacrifice, a fall, a descent, far below their true status <wrap hide>86|00:10:27|740|00:10:31|280</wrap>achieved in a previous solar system. <wrap hide>87|00:10:32|860|00:10:39|400</wrap>Their numbers: okay, ten, five, and three, and this number five of course correlates <wrap hide>88|00:10:39|930|00:10:47|740</wrap>them with the fifth creative hierarchy, which is also located on the cosmic physical plane, <wrap hide>89|00:10:47|760|00:10:49|420</wrap>almost liberated. <wrap hide>90|00:10:50|700|00:10:57|900</wrap>So they are considered prototypical in relation to the fivefold deities. <wrap hide>91|00:10:58|520|00:11:07|900</wrap>What I'll have to do actually is get out a list of names of the solar angels, which are <wrap hide>92|00:11:08|780|00:11:10|240</wrap>very revelatory. <wrap hide>93|00:11:10|320|00:11:11|620</wrap>I have such a list somewhere. <wrap hide>94|00:11:12|300|00:11:16|420</wrap>I'll take a little break at some point and pull that out. <wrap hide>95|00:11:16|960|00:11:20|240</wrap>We go on to the sixth creative hierarchy of lunar lords. <wrap hide>96|00:11:21|180|00:11:30|700</wrap>Their number is eleven, and, you know, that will immediately relate them to the number <wrap hide>97|00:11:30|700|00:11:40|940</wrap>eleven of unity through effort here on the unmanifested or on the cosmic astral planes. <wrap hide>98|00:11:40|940|00:11:46|120</wrap>We can relate numbers up and numbers down, and we will find a connection. <wrap hide>99|00:11:47|060|00:11:53|460</wrap>We will also find a connection between the fifth creative hierarchy ruled by ray five. <wrap hide>100|00:11:54|320|00:11:56|800</wrap>The numbers here are exactly the same. <wrap hide>101|00:11:58|220|00:12:00|320</wrap>It's the third creative hierarchy. <wrap hide>102|00:12:00|920|00:12:02|680</wrap>It is unmanifested. <wrap hide>103|00:12:03|120|00:12:07|480</wrap>Its ray is ray five, and its number up is ten, and you will recognize that those are <wrap hide>104|00:12:07|480|00:12:13|460</wrap>exactly the same numbers, three, five, and ten, as are found in this fifth creative hierarchy, <wrap hide>105|00:12:13|520|00:12:16|500</wrap>which is manifested: three, five, and ten. <wrap hide>106|00:12:17|760|00:12:29|320</wrap>So the lines of relationship between these lives can be analogized, or the lines of relationship <wrap hide>107|00:12:29|940|00:12:35|740</wrap>will reveal a special kind of connection, which is not easy perhaps to understand, because <wrap hide>108|00:12:35|740|00:12:41|240</wrap>we simply don't understand the functions of the higher hierarchies, but those are lines <wrap hide>109|00:12:41|240|00:12:43|820</wrap>of connection which can be traced. <wrap hide>110|00:12:44|040|00:12:51|060</wrap>And because the sixth ray is here, the sixth ray of the lunar lords, therefore the sixth <wrap hide>111|00:12:51|060|00:12:56|140</wrap>ray of the Gemini hierarchy will be implicated, and notice the idea of desire. <wrap hide>112|00:12:57|400|00:13:04|600</wrap>Desire for duality is stimulated from the Gemini level of the cosmic astral plane, and <wrap hide>113|00:13:04|990|00:13:12|040</wrap>we have the lunar lords below who are ruled by the sixth ray, and also powerfully by the <wrap hide>114|00:13:12|040|00:13:14|420</wrap>principle of desire. <wrap hide>115|00:13:15|560|00:13:19|600</wrap>They are known as sacrificial fires. <wrap hide>116|00:13:20|680|00:13:22|200</wrap>Sagittarius is suggested. <wrap hide>117|00:13:22|940|00:13:31|800</wrap>Ara, the altar, which is one of the constellations associated with Sagittarius, is also suggested. <wrap hide>118|00:13:31|800|00:13:44|740</wrap>The burning of the lunar vehicles in sacrifice upon the altar, which orients them in fiery <wrap hide>119|00:13:44|740|00:13:46|240</wrap>aspiration towards the soul. <wrap hide>120|00:13:48|020|00:13:49|880</wrap>The hierarchical ruler is Mars. <wrap hide>121|00:13:50|100|00:13:57|420</wrap>The color of Mars is red, and this is one of the colors of the sixth ray, along with <wrap hide>122|00:13:58|420|00:14:06|360</wrap>rose color and light blue, but it is, say, a cruder color and relates this Martian sixth <wrap hide>123|00:14:06|360|00:14:08|260</wrap>ray to the first ray, red. <wrap hide>124|00:14:09|640|00:14:11|580</wrap>Kundalini Shakti is its power. <wrap hide>125|00:14:11|760|00:14:21|000</wrap>It is a power of aspirational ascent through matter towards the altar, towards the crown. <wrap hide>126|00:14:21|660|00:14:32|120</wrap>Energy of matter form, and its nature is water, interestingly, very much like the water of <wrap hide>127|00:14:32|120|00:14:41|700</wrap>the atomic plane, suggesting a relationship, which we know does exist, between will and <wrap hide>128|00:14:41|700|00:14:46|820</wrap>desire, atomic will and astral desire. <wrap hide>129|00:14:47|940|00:14:50|560</wrap>The numbers here are eleven, six and two. <wrap hide>130|00:14:50|720|00:14:56|840</wrap>It's interesting that the eleven, in a way, sums to a two, so we certainly have the second <wrap hide>131|00:14:56|840|00:15:00|780</wrap>line rays particularly involved. <wrap hide>132|00:15:01|820|00:15:08|920</wrap>This is just, at first, a superficial look at the numbers and some associated ideas. <wrap hide>133|00:15:09|320|00:15:16|800</wrap>Probably everything we say can lead more deeply to the idea of the first ray, and the second <wrap hide>134|00:15:18|300|00:15:19|420</wrap>into exposition. <wrap hide>135|00:15:20|360|00:15:27|160</wrap>The Tibetan perhaps suggested the gathering of these details. <wrap hide>136|00:15:27|740|00:15:29|860</wrap>Perhaps it is Alice Bailey who had to gather them. <wrap hide>137|00:15:29|940|00:15:34|540</wrap>I don't know whether he dictated this chart or not. <wrap hide>138|00:15:34|620|00:15:39|160</wrap>He seemed to indicate that it had been gathered from a number of sources. <wrap hide>139|00:15:40|900|00:15:50|940</wrap>Anyway, the purpose is to transform the activity of the desire of the lunar lords into the <wrap hide>140|00:15:50|940|00:15:58|320</wrap>energy of love, and this, the hierarchy, the number eleven, interestingly enough, the number <wrap hide>141|00:15:58|320|00:16:01|240</wrap>of the initiate, the hierarchy undertakes. <wrap hide>142|00:16:01|400|00:16:06|920</wrap>This is the number of the sign Aquarius, eleven. <wrap hide>143|00:16:07|620|00:16:14|320</wrap>And, under the hierarchy, the transformation of desire into love does occur. <wrap hide>144|00:16:15|900|00:16:22|360</wrap>In a way, what we have is the number six moving to the number two. <wrap hide>145|00:16:23|060|00:16:36|900</wrap>Eventually, as the usual status of the astral plane, its usual actuality, its actuality <wrap hide>146|00:16:36|920|00:16:43|280</wrap>is apparent reality, is negated, and the energy of love is substituted. <wrap hide>147|00:16:45|340|00:16:50|240</wrap>He will say more, but not so very much, about these hierarchies. <wrap hide>148|00:16:52|100|00:16:56|720</wrap>There is, and this is interesting, you know, where do these lunar lords come from? <wrap hide>149|00:16:58|360|00:17:06|900</wrap>We can say that they are forms of life that are found initially on the moon chain, and <wrap hide>150|00:17:07|760|00:17:17|320</wrap>that when there was a moon chain failure, and the moon chain lord, in a way, was subsumed <wrap hide>151|00:17:17|320|00:17:24|320</wrap>or gathered into the field of expression of the earth chain lord, with both of them now <wrap hide>152|00:17:25|380|00:17:32|700</wrap>active upon our fourth, upon and within our fourth chain, then some of these forms of <wrap hide>153|00:17:32|700|00:17:42|100</wrap>life that were indigenous to the moon chain manifestation were moved, were transferred, <wrap hide>154|00:17:43|140|00:17:49|680</wrap>into our fourth chain, where they would undergo their evolution. <wrap hide>155|00:17:50|700|00:17:57|020</wrap>And they have a special evolution in relation to the animal and the human kingdom. <wrap hide>156|00:17:57|020|00:18:07|760</wrap>So, they are perhaps a little bit out of place when it comes to fourth chain lives, and this <wrap hide>157|00:18:07|760|00:18:18|440</wrap>we will see when we look at the treatise on cosmic fire, page 844. <wrap hide>158|00:18:18|440|00:18:32|480</wrap>Therefore, we will see here that lunar pitris can enter human evolution, but they are not <wrap hide>159|00:18:32|480|00:18:41|020</wrap>exactly in line with the animal, vegetable and mineral evolution of our particular chain. <wrap hide>160|00:18:41|200|00:18:48|420</wrap>They have come in, as it were, from the side, and they will be, they will be, they will <wrap hide>161|00:18:49|360|00:18:57|820</wrap>be, their destiny is to become men. Let's see if I can make this a little, the zoom <wrap hide>162|00:18:57|820|00:19:05|440</wrap>is just a little bit big, so if I bring it down a bit we might be able to read the whole <wrap hide>163|00:19:05|440|00:19:18|420</wrap>thing. Their destiny is to become men, now it's a little bit small for you I think. Let's <wrap hide>164|00:19:19|320|00:19:25|720</wrap>see, they will in their higher grades pass directly into the animal evolution. So here <wrap hide>165|00:19:25|720|00:19:29|280</wrap>they, you know there's no true place for them, they will actually in their higher grades <wrap hide>166|00:19:29|880|00:19:36|320</wrap>pass into the animal evolution which apparently is below them. The animal evolution of the <wrap hide>167|00:19:36|320|00:19:43|640</wrap>next cycle, and so eventually individualize as human beings. The three higher grades will <wrap hide>168|00:19:43|640|00:19:52|660</wrap>become animal men, and the lower four will contribute to the quaternary forms of the men <wrap hide>169|00:19:52|660|00:20:03|340</wrap>of the next creation. And what we have, what we have here is an evolution which has come <wrap hide>170|00:20:03|340|00:20:10|240</wrap>from the moon chain which has a chance to integrate into our usual method of rising <wrap hide>171|00:20:10|240|00:20:17|160</wrap>into the human kingdom, namely passing through the mineral, vegetable and animal kingdom. <wrap hide>172|00:20:17|420|00:20:23|860</wrap>So the lunar lords ruled by Mars have a very close connection to the animal kingdom which <wrap hide>173|00:20:23|860|00:20:37|320</wrap>is also ruled by Mars. And this form of subconscious life, shall we say non-individualized life, <wrap hide>174|00:20:37|320|00:20:45|160</wrap>will become animal men and will be individualized. And let's see, the three great animal men <wrap hide>175|00:20:45|160|00:20:52|440</wrap>and they will find their individualization, yes, and the lower forms will take forms of <wrap hide>176|00:20:52|440|00:20:59|480</wrap>the lunar pitris of the men of the next creation which will be perhaps a higher type of pitri <wrap hide>177|00:20:59|960|00:21:06|940</wrap>expression and they eventually will individualize as well. So really on our particular chain, <wrap hide>178|00:21:06|940|00:21:17|300</wrap>the earth chain, we have a two within one process operating. A lunar process, because it was <wrap hide>179|00:21:17|300|00:21:23|720</wrap>incomplete, continues to operate within the fourth chain, and this contrast between the <wrap hide>180|00:21:23|720|00:21:30|140</wrap>lunar tendency and the fourth chain tendency is causing a lot of conflict and a lot of <wrap hide>181|00:21:30|140|00:21:36|520</wrap>friction and a kind of cleavage which must be solved. It's essentially a cleavage between <wrap hide>182|00:21:36|520|00:21:45|380</wrap>the third ray which represents the lunar expression and the fourth ray second ray which represents <wrap hide>183|00:21:45|380|00:21:51|920</wrap>expression in our fourth chain. This has to be bridged and one of the ways of bridging <wrap hide>184|00:21:51|920|00:21:59|840</wrap>it is to master, is for us as human beings, to master our lunar tendencies so they do <wrap hide>185|00:21:59|840|00:22:08|840</wrap>not simply repeat themselves as they did in a previous time to no good end, to a chaotic <wrap hide>186|00:22:08|840|00:22:16|460</wrap>end. They have to be subdued and regulated, brought under Saturn, brought under the law, <wrap hide>187|00:22:16|680|00:22:25|020</wrap>brought under the spiritual will, which is our monadic and soul intention. Ok, that was <wrap hide>188|00:22:25|020|00:22:40|500</wrap>a little diversion I guess, and just pause here. Ok, we will then continue with our examination <wrap hide>189|00:22:40|500|00:22:48|420</wrap>of this chart. The twelfth creative hierarchy, which is really the seventh ruled by the seventh <wrap hide>190|00:22:48|420|00:22:56|620</wrap>ray, has naturally a relationship to the Kumarian hierarchy, which is almost liberated and also <wrap hide>191|00:22:56|620|00:23:04|420</wrap>ruled by the seventh ray. Interestingly, all of these hierarchies are part of what's called <wrap hide>192|00:23:04|420|00:23:15|920</wrap>here the seven states of being under karmic law. Karmic law is particularly administered <wrap hide>193|00:23:16|620|00:23:23|760</wrap>by the energies of the planet Saturn, which in a way rule the entire cosmic physical plane, <wrap hide>194|00:23:24|600|00:23:31|800</wrap>Saturn being a correspondence in some sense to the permanent atom, the physical permanent <wrap hide>195|00:23:31|800|00:23:38|360</wrap>atom of the Logos. It also has chakric correspondences and trying to sort out what is the difference <wrap hide>196|00:23:38|360|00:23:45|900</wrap>between a permanent atom correspondence and a chakric correspondence is a, it's a very <wrap hide>197|00:23:45|920|00:23:54|240</wrap>demanding exercise. Anyway, all of these are under karmic law and when we reach the cosmic <wrap hide>198|00:23:54|240|00:24:01|960</wrap>astral plane we are apparently liberated from that Saturnian influence. These are called <wrap hide>199|00:24:01|960|00:24:06|260</wrap>elemental lives, the baskets of nourishment, they are called the blinded lives, and I think <wrap hide>200|00:24:06|260|00:24:13|540</wrap>we can think of them as the life of matter. These are the lives expressing themselves <wrap hide>201|00:24:13|540|00:24:22|420</wrap>through the molecules, through the atoms, through the atoms of all greater and lesser <wrap hide>202|00:24:22|420|00:24:31|800</wrap>kinds, perhaps through subatomic particles and so forth. They are the tiniest lives and <wrap hide>203|00:24:31|800|00:24:40|420</wrap>need to be aggregated into form according to higher directives which serve higher energy <wrap hide>204|00:24:40|420|00:24:50|600</wrap>patterns. Interestingly they are under a sign Aquarius which related to Uranus which <wrap hide>205|00:24:50|600|00:24:57|240</wrap>is veiled by the moon has much to do with atomic energy and the power that is latent <wrap hide>206|00:24:57|240|00:25:08|580</wrap>in matter. Of course Aquarius would appear again, twelve cosmic subplanes up would appear <wrap hide>207|00:25:08|580|00:25:14|940</wrap>again on the second level of the cosmic astral plane, but that's a whole different study <wrap hide>208|00:25:14|940|00:25:22|300</wrap>difficult to verify. The moon is the ruler and interestingly enough its color here is <wrap hide>209|00:25:22|300|00:25:31|100</wrap>violet. Now the violet color will associate it with Uranus, the seventh ray planet, and <wrap hide>210|00:25:31|100|00:25:38|560</wrap>Uranus is also the major planet of the etheric planes. The etheric planes are the major planets <wrap hide>211|00:25:42|180|00:25:46|860</wrap>in a systemic sense and the etheric planes in a cosmic sense. So we would say then that <wrap hide>212|00:25:46|860|00:25:52|540</wrap>Uranus, the violet planet is veiled by the moon, but the moon has a lot to do with the <wrap hide>213|00:25:52|540|00:25:59|440</wrap>color violet as well. Its particular rhythms suggest the seventh ray and we certainly measure <wrap hide>214|00:26:00|300|00:26:08|560</wrap>time and cycles by the moon, the seventh ray, and the Tibetan gave the color Uranus, the <wrap hide>215|00:26:08|580|00:26:17|020</wrap>moon, of Cancer which is ruled by the moon as the color violet. We are told here that <wrap hide>216|00:26:17|020|00:26:22|820</wrap>it has no kind of energy, but later we will discover when the Tibetan is talking about <wrap hide>217|00:26:22|820|00:26:31|940</wrap>this seventh manifested creative hierarchy that there is a type of life energy associated <wrap hide>218|00:26:32|660|00:26:39|080</wrap>with it. So that's what I mean: this table was gathered. It's a very good table, but <wrap hide>219|00:26:39|080|00:26:46|660</wrap>it's not a table which the Tibetan dictated in a systematic manner. So we will have to <wrap hide>220|00:26:47|300|00:26:53|920</wrap>judge whether there is any type of energy here at all according to what he says when <wrap hide>221|00:26:53|920|00:27:01|380</wrap>he discusses the seventh creative hierarchy of the manifested kind. We do remember that <wrap hide>222|00:27:01|380|00:27:08|200</wrap>the moon at this point is said to have no radiation whatsoever, only a kind of negative <wrap hide>223|00:27:08|200|00:27:15|760</wrap>energy which arises from its own decomposition. Maybe we shouldn't even call it an energy. <wrap hide>224|00:27:16|260|00:27:22|660</wrap>So the idea of no energy rather fits with what the Tibetan says about the moon per se. <wrap hide>225|00:27:23|480|00:27:30|420</wrap>But I think these elemental lives, there is the presence of buddhi at the heart of every <wrap hide>226|00:27:30|420|00:27:35|700</wrap>atom in the solar system and I do think that presence will be found within these tiny lives <wrap hide>227|00:27:35|700|00:27:44|060</wrap>as well. These lives are particularly related to the plane of Earth. Now when we talked <wrap hide>228|00:27:44|060|00:27:49|220</wrap>about the four elements we looked at the etheric physical plane as associated with the element <wrap hide>229|00:27:49|220|00:27:58|540</wrap>Earth, astral plane obviously with water, mental plane with fire. Air is not specified <wrap hide>230|00:27:58|540|00:28:05|540</wrap>under the Buddhic plane but perhaps it should be, and then as well it would correlate with <wrap hide>231|00:28:05|540|00:28:14|760</wrap>the fire air of the Logoic plane. The Buddhic plane is in a way a very solar plane because <wrap hide>232|00:28:14|760|00:28:27|440</wrap>the Christ energy is expressing there with fair expansiveness, and that is a solar energy <wrap hide>233|00:28:27|440|00:28:35|760</wrap>and thus there is a connection with the plane ruled by Leo, mainly the Logoic plane where <wrap hide>234|00:28:35|760|00:28:43|180</wrap>the divine flames under Leo are expressing. These are two solar planes. In a way as well <wrap hide>235|00:28:44|120|00:28:53|340</wrap>we could say that the monadic plane is also a solar, also a solar plane. Well that was <wrap hide>236|00:28:53|340|00:29:07|960</wrap>a kind of a brief enumeration of the numbers that are found. We could draw lines, we should <wrap hide>237|00:29:07|960|00:29:14|260</wrap>draw lines from every number to every other similar number and try to trace the connections <wrap hide>238|00:29:14|260|00:29:22|480</wrap>but before we can really do that we have to have as clear an idea as possible as to the <wrap hide>239|00:29:22|480|00:29:26|420</wrap>function of each one of these hierarchies on each one of these levels and I would say <wrap hide>240|00:29:27|000|00:29:34|840</wrap>that most of us, and I include myself here, do not have that kind of specific knowledge <wrap hide>241|00:29:35|440|00:29:43|700</wrap>using the fifth ray which would make it even more profitable to draw the lines of relationship. <wrap hide>242|00:29:43|900|00:29:50|380</wrap>Though sometimes drawing lines of relationship and seeing the analogies which result from <wrap hide>243|00:29:50|940|00:30:02|680</wrap>those lines can clarify the specific function of a specific group on a specific plane. So <wrap hide>244|00:30:02|680|00:30:10|280</wrap>you know there is a lot of research that is needed here researching the kinds of energies <wrap hide>245|00:30:10|280|00:30:19|800</wrap>which go into each one of these hierarchies. I was just looking at iccha shakti, iccha <wrap hide>246|00:30:21|360|00:30:29|500</wrap>shakti, probably terribly wrong in the pronunciation, but this is a power of I-ness. I couldn't <wrap hide>247|00:30:29|500|00:30:35|220</wrap>help but notice that the word ich in German means I, although it's probably a very tenuous <wrap hide>248|00:30:35|220|00:30:40|640</wrap>connection, and we know that the petals of the egoic lotus on the higher mental plane <wrap hide>249|00:30:41|100|00:30:50|360</wrap>are imbued with a quality of energy which makes consciousness realise I-ness. That is <wrap hide>250|00:30:50|380|00:30:57|540</wrap>which turns consciousness around upon the centre from which the consciousness arises <wrap hide>251|00:30:58|000|00:31:06|300</wrap>and gives the feeling or the sense of, I don't know quite how to say it, of being a distinct <wrap hide>252|00:31:06|300|00:31:13|260</wrap>centre. And then that distinct centre begins to manifest as a distinct personality centre <wrap hide>253|00:31:13|930|00:31:23|220</wrap>which is very limited by that sense of I-ness. In other words it becomes separative. But <wrap hide>254|00:31:23|220|00:31:30|160</wrap>eventually there is a return to the I-ness of the higher mental plane as the soul infuses <wrap hide>255|00:31:30|160|00:31:38|280</wrap>the personality and then the quality of group consciousness arises and freedom is on its <wrap hide>256|00:31:38|280|00:31:46|140</wrap>way through these higher shaktis, these higher energies. So there is so much correlating <wrap hide>257|00:31:46|140|00:31:51|280</wrap>to be done here and I think it's only possible to scratch the surface, especially you know <wrap hide>258|00:31:51|840|00:31:57|540</wrap>if I were writing a book on this subject. Well this turns out I suppose to be my astrology <wrap hide>259|00:31:57|540|00:32:08|080</wrap>book because it's always so hard to find time to write in great detail when there are <wrap hide>260|00:32:08|080|00:32:15|200</wrap>writing. I suppose I could be more exacting in clarifying the nature of these factors <wrap hide>261|00:32:15|200|00:32:22|820</wrap>and their relationships. But somewhat speaking these books there will be perhaps less precision <wrap hide>262|00:32:22|820|00:32:31|280</wrap>along those lines though ideas may emerge which others can follow and elaborate. Alright <wrap hide>263|00:32:31|280|00:32:38|500</wrap>so we've looked at the table of unmanifested creative hierarchies or at least they're <wrap hide>264|00:32:38|500|00:32:43|440</wrap>manifesting on the cosmic astral plane but not on the cosmic physical plane along with <wrap hide>265|00:32:43|440|00:32:50|400</wrap>one intermediary hierarchy which appears to be manifesting on both planes and is located <wrap hide>266|00:32:52|520|00:32:58|900</wrap>probably in the etheric nature of the Logoic plane. And then we've looked at the seven <wrap hide>267|00:33:01|280|00:33:07|000</wrap>invested creative hierarchies. Usually when you have the numbers seven and five, seven <wrap hide>268|00:33:07|000|00:33:14|280</wrap>are sacred and five are non-sacred, but everything can reverse itself, and this is a point in <wrap hide>269|00:33:14|280|00:33:19|920</wrap>relation to these two charts. The five above are the most sacred and the seven are the <wrap hide>270|00:33:19|920|00:33:25|040</wrap>least sacred. I pointed this same thing out when we dealt with the four and the three. <wrap hide>271|00:33:25|740|00:33:32|940</wrap>Sometimes four is more, represents states that are more sacred than the three, and sometimes <wrap hide>272|00:33:32|940|00:33:39|080</wrap>three more sacred than the four. So it's all a question of context, and you have to turn <wrap hide>273|00:33:39|080|00:33:49|180</wrap>things in various directions in order to understand which has priority. The whole question of <wrap hide>274|00:33:49|180|00:33:55|680</wrap>priority, solving the problem of priority or that which comes first and that which is <wrap hide>275|00:33:55|680|00:34:07|200</wrap>highest in a hierarchical universe is of extreme importance. We have to know what is greater <wrap hide>276|00:34:07|200|00:34:18|520</wrap>and what is lesser, and so often our glamours, our distorted desires arise because we mis-evaluate <wrap hide>277|00:34:18|520|00:34:27|380</wrap>priority. We do not know that which is of the highest nature and that which is lower <wrap hide>278|00:34:27|380|00:34:33|480</wrap>than it, and thus we begin to desire that which is lower and exaggerate its importance as <wrap hide>279|00:34:33|480|00:34:42|720</wrap>if it were prior and hierarchically in a higher position. This is a great mistake, but if Libra <wrap hide>280|00:34:43|400|00:34:49|560</wrap>can begin to operate in our consciousness in the right way and Capricorn too, and Venus <wrap hide>281|00:34:49|560|00:34:57|460</wrap>too, we will develop a true sense of proportion, and we will thereby develop a true sense of <wrap hide>282|00:34:57|460|00:35:04|140</wrap>values. Venus is involved in the question of values, and we will desire that which is <wrap hide>283|00:35:04|140|00:35:12|700</wrap>higher over that which is lower, and then our desire nature will be hierarchalized. And <wrap hide>284|00:35:12|720|00:35:24|240</wrap>thereby will not be afflicted by the problem of glamour. So many of us right now are living <wrap hide>285|00:35:24|240|00:35:31|040</wrap>in a distorted world where we seem to desire that which is of lesser value, and we are convinced <wrap hide>286|00:35:31|040|00:35:37|500</wrap>it is of greater value. And only, maybe in the words of Master Morya, cosmic perception <wrap hide>287|00:35:37|500|00:35:44|940</wrap>will wear away this distortion, just as he tells us it will wear away irritation. In <wrap hide>288|00:35:44|940|00:35:52|140</wrap>other words, it will overcome the exaggerating tendencies of Mars, and we will see in the <wrap hide>289|00:35:52|140|00:35:53|680</wrap>light of true proportion. <wrap hide>290|00:35:54|680|00:36:03|680</wrap>Okay, now the following tabulation, and that's the one which we have been examining, showing <wrap hide>291|00:36:03|680|00:36:09|200</wrap>some astrological relationships in connection with the constellation of the Great Bear, <wrap hide>292|00:36:09|440|00:36:14|500</wrap>the Pleiades, or the Seven Sisters, Sirius and the Seven Solar Systems, and I have a <wrap hide>293|00:36:14|500|00:36:24|140</wrap>feeling that what we're going to have to do is put this tabulation of two sets of creative <wrap hide>294|00:36:24|140|00:36:33|660</wrap>hierarchies together with the tabulation on page 50 of Esoteric Astrology, which will truly <wrap hide>295|00:36:35|060|00:36:46|060</wrap>begin to connect some of these creative hierarchical factors with the constellations which were <wrap hide>296|00:36:46|060|00:36:52|540</wrap>just mentioned, which are the great sources. And I think you see it, we'll see it here. <wrap hide>297|00:36:55|900|00:36:59|500</wrap>Whoops, whoops, whoops, whoops, whoops, whoops. Trees in Cosmic Fire, how did that happen? <wrap hide>298|00:37:00|180|00:37:07|600</wrap>We want, not trees in Cosmic Fire, we want Esoteric Astrology on page 50. Yes, that's <wrap hide>299|00:37:07|600|00:37:14|960</wrap>what we want. And you see this tabulation number 3, how it deals with Sirius in relation <wrap hide>300|00:37:14|960|00:37:26|420</wrap>to astrological factors and to the fifth creative hierarchy, which is the almost liberated hierarchy. <wrap hide>301|00:37:26|620|00:37:35|040</wrap>You see how the Great Bear is related to Aries and Libra and to the Sun-veiling Vulcan indeed. <wrap hide>302|00:37:35|860|00:37:42|520</wrap>And to the second creative hierarchy, the eleventh, it's under Aries, but at the same <wrap hide>303|00:37:42|520|00:37:49|100</wrap>time we cannot leave out the hierarchy that is correlated with Libra, which is the eighth <wrap hide>304|00:37:49|100|00:37:54|740</wrap>counting down or the third manifested creative hierarchy. And since the Sun is veiling Vulcan, <wrap hide>305|00:37:54|740|00:37:59|760</wrap>we have to draw a line of relationship to the first manifested creative hierarchy ruled <wrap hide>306|00:37:59|760|00:38:06|740</wrap>by Leo. Interestingly enough with the Great Bear, you know, if you look at the dipper <wrap hide>307|00:38:08|400|00:38:13|020</wrap>of the Great Bear and lower your eyesight just a little bit in a parallel manner, you <wrap hide>308|00:38:13|020|00:38:23|300</wrap>will come to the constellation Leo. And when it comes to the Pleiades, we see them related <wrap hide>309|00:38:23|300|00:38:34|120</wrap>to Gemini and Sagittarius and to the Gemini hierarchy, yes, and therefore to the fourth <wrap hide>310|00:38:34|120|00:38:39|000</wrap>liberated creative hierarchy which is ruled by Gemini, but then we would also have to <wrap hide>311|00:38:39|000|00:38:44|480</wrap>bring in the Lunar Lords which are ruled by Sagittarius. I think you see what I mean. <wrap hide>312|00:38:46|180|00:38:57|420</wrap>Here is the Gemini hierarchy. It is the fourth ruled by the sixth ray, but if we look for <wrap hide>313|00:38:57|420|00:39:03|120</wrap>the Sagittarius hierarchy we come down here to the eleventh, interestingly with that number <wrap hide>314|00:39:03|120|00:39:10|260</wrap>eleven being quite a bit like Gemini. Anyway, you see how I'm suggesting that we draw lines <wrap hide>315|00:39:10|260|00:39:15|280</wrap>of relationship in order to interpret. All the above energies, we're reading from page <wrap hide>316|00:39:15|280|00:39:20|040</wrap>fifty of Esoteric Astrology and we will of course visit this page, are called into play <wrap hide>317|00:39:20|040|00:39:25|240</wrap>as far as man is concerned during the major initiations and upon the path of initiation. <wrap hide>318|00:39:25|480|00:39:31|400</wrap>So in other words, Sirius, the Great Bear and the Pleiades are beginning to be sensed following <wrap hide>319|00:39:32|260|00:39:39|580</wrap>the third initiation, and only minimally so at that point, because they mean a lot more <wrap hide>320|00:39:39|580|00:39:46|840</wrap>to still higher initiates than they can mean to the third-degree initiate who is just becoming <wrap hide>321|00:39:47|680|00:39:57|440</wrap>a disciple in relation to the Sirian regime, or to the star Sirius, or the Sirian Logos. <wrap hide>322|00:39:57|640|00:40:05|360</wrap>Then we have lesser energies, magnetic energies giving solar fire, and these are the seven <wrap hide>323|00:40:05|360|00:40:10|300</wrap>solar systems. And one of my— I think what I'm going to say now is important. You know, <wrap hide>324|00:40:11|140|00:40:17|820</wrap>there's been this ongoing debate as to whether the seven solar systems represent vast constellations <wrap hide>325|00:40:17|820|00:40:24|120</wrap>which are chakras and the One About Whom None May Be Said, or whether they are simply not <wrap hide>326|00:40:24|120|00:40:31|080</wrap>constellational but are in fact seven solar systems organized into one constellation. <wrap hide>327|00:40:31|720|00:40:42|520</wrap>Now there's no question about it: if we look here, we see that the dynamic energy, the energy <wrap hide>328|00:40:42|520|00:40:47|420</wrap>of will and of the monad, is connected with the first three; but the energy of soul is <wrap hide>329|00:40:47|420|00:40:56|260</wrap>connected with the seven solar systems. It is magnetic energy; it is hierarchically a <wrap hide>330|00:40:56|260|00:41:09|960</wrap>lesser energy. It is not the kind of superior energy you would expect to find in the great <wrap hide>331|00:41:09|960|00:41:15|420</wrap>chakras—all seven of them, as far as that goes—of the One About Whom None May Be Said, <wrap hide>332|00:41:15|420|00:41:23|020</wrap>but you would expect this magnetic energy to be found in relation to solar Logoi. This <wrap hide>333|00:41:23|020|00:41:30|180</wrap>is related to the Taurus hierarchy, this energy of the seven solar systems, and also to our <wrap hide>334|00:41:30|700|00:41:37|480</wrap>humanity. We are supposed to become a station of light; our human hierarchy is to become <wrap hide>335|00:41:37|480|00:41:44|300</wrap>a great station of light. So our Scorpio hierarchy is definitely related to Taurus as it is expressed <wrap hide>336|00:41:44|300|00:41:50|320</wrap>through Mars. Now whether the seven solar systems should be looked at in terms of a <wrap hide>337|00:41:50|320|00:41:57|220</wrap>solar plexus response or a sacral response, this still has to be discussed; but what I'm <wrap hide>338|00:41:57|220|00:42:04|120</wrap>trying to express is that they are hierarchically lower than the three great constellations, <wrap hide>339|00:42:06|100|00:42:13|860</wrap>and if you normally talk about seven solar systems being seven great constellations which <wrap hide>340|00:42:13|860|00:42:18|480</wrap>are chakras and the One About Whom None May Be Said, you would include the three that are <wrap hide>341|00:42:18|480|00:42:27|700</wrap>above; but obviously the three that are above are distinct from these seven. So I think <wrap hide>342|00:42:27|700|00:42:33|680</wrap>there is a good case for looking at them as expressing soul energy and not the dynamic <wrap hide>343|00:42:33|680|00:42:39|400</wrap>energy of the One About Whom None May Be Said, but rather a type of energy which is found <wrap hide>344|00:42:39|400|00:42:46|160</wrap>in one of the chakras of the One About Whom None May Be Said—namely, a cosmic Logos in <wrap hide>345|00:42:46|160|00:42:55|980</wrap>which our Sun and our solar Logos finds its place as a heart center. Alright, that's a— <wrap hide>346|00:42:55|980|00:43:02|040</wrap>you know, a little bit of a technical thing, but again it's a question of prioritization <wrap hide>347|00:43:02|040|00:43:10|640</wrap>and hierarchicalization. What is higher than what? What is lower than what? In a way, of <wrap hide>348|00:43:10|640|00:43:15|680</wrap>course, everything is equal, because there is only one being manifesting through different <wrap hide>349|00:43:15|680|00:43:22|760</wrap>dimensions; but when we get into the level of categorizing the manifestations of the <wrap hide>350|00:43:22|760|00:43:29|540</wrap>only one thing, we do have to hierarchicalize; we do have to do that. Alright, now let's see <wrap hide>351|00:43:29|540|00:43:39|880</wrap>where we are taken. What I did here was I took a little trip over to page 50 of Esoteric <wrap hide>352|00:43:39|880|00:43:47|260</wrap>Astrology, because I saw that it was pointing out the connection of these constellations <wrap hide>353|00:43:47|760|00:43:55|220</wrap>and the seven solar systems with the information that is given in the two creative hierarchy <wrap hide>354|00:43:55|220|00:44:03|840</wrap>charts, and you wouldn't have that without the map on page 50. So we went to page 50 <wrap hide>355|00:44:03|840|00:44:16|040</wrap>of Esoteric Astrology to detect some of the relationships suggested. Now you know you <wrap hide>356|00:44:16|040|00:44:24|540</wrap>can obviously tell that—you know you can tell that we're doing this a little superficially, <wrap hide>357|00:44:25|940|00:44:32|880</wrap>because you could spend the rest of your life in this incarnation, and maybe others, on these <wrap hide>358|00:44:32|880|00:44:39|800</wrap>tabulations and associated charts, because they lay out in tabular form, in graphic form, <wrap hide>359|00:44:40|740|00:44:48|880</wrap>truths which are barely suspected by us with our human mind. Alright, so we have studied <wrap hide>360|00:44:48|880|00:44:56|560</wrap>page 34 and 35, which are the tabulations of creative hierarchies, and now we get into the <wrap hide>361|00:44:56|560|00:45:10|040</wrap>text related to those tabulations. So he gives some general statements about creative hierarchies. <wrap hide>362|00:45:10|040|00:45:17|380</wrap>And we will have to be slow and cautious in trying to divine some of the implications. <wrap hide>363|00:45:18|120|00:45:26|540</wrap><wrap quote>1. The Hierarchy of Creative Powers is divided esoterically into seven (4 and 3) <wrap hide>364|00:45:26|560|00:45:34|940</wrap>//within// the Twelve Great Orders.</wrap> Now here we're talking about the manifested creative <wrap hide>365|00:45:35|000|00:45:47|180</wrap>hierarchies. The manifested creative hierarchies with four above which are self-conscious and <wrap hide>366|00:45:47|180|00:45:56|540</wrap>three below which are not yet individualized. When we talk about the twelve great orders, <wrap hide>367|00:45:56|560|00:46:04|420</wrap>when we come to the hierarchy of solar angels, the idea of a dual hierarchy is very much <wrap hide>368|00:46:04|420|00:46:13|060</wrap>pronounced here because perhaps there are certain lives here which are the lower part <wrap hide>369|00:46:13|060|00:46:22|200</wrap>of this dual hierarchy which are not yet self-conscious, but the higher part which are the solar angels, <wrap hide>370|00:46:22|760|00:46:28|960</wrap>the Agni Sivatas, the solar petries, all those names, are certainly self-conscious and far <wrap hide>371|00:46:28|960|00:46:33|800</wrap>beyond that. They are group conscious; they are God conscious; they are initiates of a <wrap hide>372|00:46:33|800|00:46:38|300</wrap>previous solar system. So I think what he's doing is dividing these manifested creative <wrap hide>373|00:46:38|300|00:46:45|280</wrap>hierarchies into four groups which are definitely self-conscious and into three groups which <wrap hide>374|00:46:46|120|00:46:54|940</wrap>are not. But as I say, the solar angel is in an ambiguous position and why this should <wrap hide>375|00:46:54|940|00:47:01|180</wrap>be a dual hierarchy, one symbolized by the upright pentagram and the other by the inverted <wrap hide>376|00:47:01|180|00:47:08|160</wrap>pentagram associated with black magic and the concrete mind, all of that has to be clarified. <wrap hide>377|00:47:09|020|00:47:18|160</wrap>All right, now twelve great orders. Now a hierarchy of creative powers, what does that mean? What <wrap hide>378|00:47:18|160|00:47:23|200</wrap>are the creative powers? This is a creative hierarchies of monads; that's what they are. <wrap hide>379|00:47:23|860|00:47:34|960</wrap>The lives expressing within these hierarchies are monadic lives at different stages of pre-critic <wrap hide>380|00:47:34|960|00:47:45|260</wrap>immersion or immersion into matter. Essentially, as monads they are all equivalent because <wrap hide>381|00:47:45|260|00:47:51|240</wrap>there is only one monad in all of cosmos. A monad is a monad; it is pure being. But <wrap hide>382|00:47:51|240|00:48:00|400</wrap>in terms of the sheaths aggregated around the monad, these are sheaths of relatively <wrap hide>383|00:48:00|400|00:48:08|720</wrap>greater or lesser density, and that is what seems to define the status of a monad. Although <wrap hide>384|00:48:08|720|00:48:13|240</wrap>all monads are equivalent, they are all on the level, as it were; they are all equal. <wrap hide>385|00:48:14|020|00:48:21|800</wrap>All monads are created equal. All men are certainly not created equal; they are created <wrap hide>386|00:48:21|800|00:48:28|660</wrap>equal in the monadic sense, but they certainly do not manifest equally. So these creative <wrap hide>387|00:48:28|660|00:48:39|140</wrap>powers are hierarchies of monads, and of course this continues with hierarchies far beyond <wrap hide>388|00:48:39|140|00:48:46|700</wrap>the divine orders, beyond the twelve which we are now considering. Why are we considering <wrap hide>389|00:48:46|700|00:48:52|560</wrap>only twelve? Well, you know, we can barely make sense of twelve, so I am sure the Tibetan <wrap hide>390|00:48:52|560|00:49:01|460</wrap>necessarily draws a limit there, because otherwise we would be into useless speculation as far <wrap hide>391|00:49:01|460|00:49:09|220</wrap>as we are concerned, and maybe we are there already. <wrap quote>2. Three Hierarchies are—in <wrap hide>392|00:49:09|220|00:49:20|060</wrap>this greater cycle—</wrap> And what might that be? It could be the cycle of the Solar Logos in <wrap hide>393|00:49:20|060|00:49:27|380</wrap>this incarnation, perhaps, are <wrap quote>of profound significance,</wrap> And if we say profound significance <wrap hide>394|00:49:27|380|00:49:32|880</wrap>and think of the creative hierarchies as systemic, solar systemic beings, then it has to be profound <wrap hide>395|00:49:32|880|00:49:41|760</wrap>significance to the solar system, not just to man. <wrap quote>the fourth or human Creative Hierarchy</wrap> <wrap hide>396|00:49:42|060|00:49:50|040</wrap>that's our Creative Hierarchy, which is probably the means by which the tendencies of the previous <wrap hide>397|00:49:50|060|00:49:59|520</wrap>solar system, which are very Brahmic and material and mental, are brought together with the tendencies <wrap hide>398|00:49:59|520|00:50:07|480</wrap>of our present solar system in which the divine ray of love-wisdom is to emerge. <wrap quote>and the two <wrap hide>399|00:50:07|480|00:50:13|580</wrap>deva Hierarchies,</wrap> we have to, as I said before, some of these are, what can I call <wrap hide>400|00:50:13|580|00:50:22|220</wrap>it, mannish Hierarchies or having to do with man as an entity and all of the types of men <wrap hide>401|00:50:22|220|00:50:28|900</wrap>there are from the tiny human being all the way up to the heavenly man and the grand heavenly <wrap hide>402|00:50:28|900|00:50:38|040</wrap>man and the super grand heavenly man and on and on. There are these Hierarchies which <wrap hide>403|00:50:38|040|00:50:43|160</wrap>relate to man and Hierarchies which relate to devas, and <wrap quote>the fifth and the sixth.</wrap> so four, <wrap hide>404|00:50:43|160|00:50:52|320</wrap>five and six, they are contiguous Hierarchies, are of profound significance. Probably the <wrap hide>405|00:50:53|380|00:51:02|420</wrap>deva Hierarchy, the fifth Hierarchy of solar angels, the great redeeming lords of love, <wrap hide>406|00:51:02|800|00:51:10|940</wrap>are that magnetic force which is drawing together the Hierarchies which are connected with the <wrap hide>407|00:51:10|940|00:51:21|500</wrap>moon and the Hierarchy like the Hierarchy of human beings, fourth grade, which is supposed <wrap hide>408|00:51:21|500|00:51:30|320</wrap>to pursue a Buddhic second solar system line of development. So somehow the fifth grade <wrap hide>409|00:51:30|320|00:51:35|800</wrap>of hierarchy stands between them. There are these lunar lords which are carrying on a <wrap hide>410|00:51:35|800|00:51:43|280</wrap>tendency not only from our previous solar, not only from our previous chain, the Moon <wrap hide>411|00:51:43|280|00:51:50|380</wrap>chain, but from the previous solar system. It's a definitely third-ray tendency, the <wrap hide>412|00:51:50|380|00:51:59|800</wrap>numbers three and six being very related. So that operates on the astral plane, but <wrap hide>413|00:51:59|800|00:52:05|340</wrap>the human Hierarchy is meant to eventually operate on the Buddhic plane, and we know the <wrap hide>414|00:52:05|340|00:52:11|800</wrap>astral Buddhic connection. And eventually the astral plane is to be suffused by the pure <wrap hide>415|00:52:11|800|00:52:18|420</wrap>love of the Buddhic plane, and perhaps a man whose soul ray will one day be the second <wrap hide>416|00:52:18|420|00:52:26|600</wrap>ray, expressing the sixth principle of Buddhic love, will be instrumental in helping that <wrap hide>417|00:52:27|460|00:52:35|320</wrap>connection exist between these lower lunar forms and the Buddhically tending forms of <wrap hide>418|00:52:35|940|00:52:43|980</wrap>our second solar system. And meanwhile, the solar angels are acting as a bridge because <wrap hide>419|00:52:43|980|00:52:50|680</wrap>they have this full Buddhic love and they're teaching humanity how to possess it and how <wrap hide>420|00:52:51|500|00:52:59|280</wrap>to express it. And one day we will, as it were, take over for the solar angels and be able <wrap hide>421|00:52:59|280|00:53:06|380</wrap>to be the bridge ourselves. We are under the number four, and that is the bridging ray, <wrap hide>422|00:53:06|380|00:53:14|620</wrap>and we will help to make a bridge between the lower tendencies inherited from the past <wrap hide>423|00:53:14|620|00:53:20|040</wrap>and the tendencies which should be cultivated in the present. We will help the whole process <wrap hide>424|00:53:20|040|00:53:28|560</wrap>move from the primordial ray of intelligence to the divine ray of love-wisdom. That word <wrap hide>425|00:53:28|560|00:53:33|400</wrap>"divine" is very important. It usually indicates that the monad is involved, and the monad we <wrap hide>426|00:53:33|400|00:53:41|920</wrap>realise is on the second sub-plane, connecting it with love-wisdom. So three hierarchies <wrap hide>427|00:53:41|920|00:53:47|680</wrap>anyway are of the greatest significance and certainly of the greatest significance to <wrap hide>428|00:53:47|680|00:53:52|580</wrap>man. Now, is this true throughout the solar system? Well, it's certainly true upon our <wrap hide>429|00:53:53|240|00:54:01|840</wrap>planet, and we have to, since creative hierarchies are really a solar systemic expression, we <wrap hide>430|00:54:01|840|00:54:09|020</wrap>have to think of them as having a systemic significance and that the things that are said <wrap hide>431|00:54:09|480|00:54:14|900</wrap>here apply, of course, to our planet and maybe in a special way, but in a <wrap hide>432|00:54:14|900|00:54:22|560</wrap>general way to the entire solar system, to the life of the Solar Logos. What I think <wrap hide>433|00:54:22|580|00:54:30|060</wrap>I should do—it strikes me that I should gather some references about the creative hierarchies <wrap hide>434|00:54:32|240|00:54:38|800</wrap>and perhaps read through them as supplemental material, because we're not really going to <wrap hide>435|00:54:38|800|00:54:45|560</wrap>do this for Cosmic Fire. My commentaries on Cosmic Fire are perhaps nine-tenths completed, <wrap hide>436|00:54:46|200|00:54:53|580</wrap>and probably I have written with greater clarity than I can speak, so there probably isn't much <wrap hide>437|00:54:53|580|00:55:00|780</wrap>sense to try to repeat verbally what I've already written there. But there is sense <wrap hide>438|00:55:00|780|00:55:06|400</wrap>in gathering certain significant references which we can append to what we are reading, <wrap hide>439|00:55:06|400|00:55:12|420</wrap>and in a way this whole section on the creative hierarchies is taken out of Cosmic Fire. D.K. <wrap hide>440|00:55:12|420|00:55:17|060</wrap>must have thought it was very important when considering the larger astrological picture. <wrap hide>441|00:55:19|100|00:55:24|880</wrap><wrap quote>3. The fourth Creative Hierarchy is in reality the ninth and that is why it <wrap hide>442|00:55:24|880|00:55:28|460</wrap>is called the Hierarchy of Initiates.</wrap> Well, do we understand what he said there? Because <wrap hide>443|00:55:28|460|00:55:38|980</wrap>nine is the number of initiation. And if we look at this, we will see the number nine <wrap hide>444|00:55:38|980|00:55:45|660</wrap>is there—that's our human hierarchy—and the ray four and the number four. Well, nine, <wrap hide>445|00:55:45|660|00:55:51|200</wrap>four, four—those are the numbers, and they are there. The Buddhic suggestion is very <wrap hide>446|00:55:51|200|00:56:00|800</wrap>strong and the idea of being a true initiate in the second solar system is powerfully present. <wrap hide>447|00:56:01|120|00:56:06|220</wrap>Maybe there were not nine initiations in the previous solar system. Maybe there were not <wrap hide>448|00:56:06|220|00:56:15|000</wrap>even seven planes per se. Maybe in the previous solar system there were five planes, or at <wrap hide>449|00:56:15|000|00:56:19|700</wrap>least five active planes; in the present solar system seven; in the future solar system nine. <wrap hide>450|00:56:20|960|00:56:29|080</wrap>Those are the numbers of the three solar systems: five, seven, and nine; five and seven and twelve, <wrap hide>451|00:56:29|080|00:56:36|660</wrap>and nine making twenty-one, and then the unity making twenty-two, which is the somehow very <wrap hide>452|00:56:36|660|00:56:42|880</wrap>powerful number for Arsota Logos—the two and the two. Two plus two equals four. In <wrap hide>453|00:56:42|880|00:56:47|780</wrap>a funny kind of way, Arsota Logos might have a fourth ray monad, or at least fourth ray <wrap hide>454|00:56:47|780|00:56:54|820</wrap>sub-monad, and his secondary soul and secondary personality, two plus two, can combine and <wrap hide>455|00:56:54|820|00:57:00|400</wrap>merge into his fourth ray monad. Though eventually I do think he will be two two two, and his <wrap hide>456|00:57:00|400|00:57:09|080</wrap>higher monadic ray will be the second, eventually. Although perhaps in the next solar system <wrap hide>457|00:57:09|080|00:57:13|440</wrap>What we'll be dealing with is two-two-one, because his personality ray will probably <wrap hide>458|00:57:13|440|00:57:20|280</wrap>be the first ray. So the fourth creative hierarchy is, in reality—well, reality means you have <wrap hide>459|00:57:20|280|00:57:25|580</wrap>to include the higher hierarchies and begin numbering from those higher hierarchies. So <wrap hide>460|00:57:25|580|00:57:29|740</wrap>if we number from the unmanifested hierarchies and count down to the human, we will get the <wrap hide>461|00:57:29|740|00:57:38|320</wrap>number nine, and it will show that we human beings are destined to complete—we are destined <wrap hide>462|00:57:38|790|00:57:48|360</wrap>to complete nine initiations within the fourth creative hierarchy. D.K. tells us not all of <wrap hide>463|00:57:48|360|00:57:53|280</wrap>us take those nine initiations, at least not immediately, at least in association with <wrap hide>464|00:57:53|280|00:57:58|880</wrap>our planet. And then not all human beings take initiations anyway; many human <wrap hide>465|00:57:58|880|00:58:04|460</wrap>beings rise with the rising of the kingdom itself and do not forge ahead on the arduous <wrap hide>466|00:58:04|460|00:58:11|580</wrap>and independent path of initiation. But eventually we will be elevated to the point where we <wrap hide>467|00:58:11|580|00:58:21|680</wrap>will be able to refuse our connection with the cosmic physical plane, at least in this <wrap hide>468|00:58:21|680|00:58:28|220</wrap>solar system. Now if we return—many of us having taken the path to Sirius—in the next <wrap hide>469|00:58:28|220|00:58:34|140</wrap>solar system and have to have a relationship with the cosmic physical plane, it will be <wrap hide>470|00:58:34|140|00:58:40|760</wrap>for redemptive purposes and not because we are in any way trapped by the cosmic physical <wrap hide>471|00:58:40|760|00:58:46|820</wrap>plane. Anyway, D.K. says yes, the relation of the nine and four <wrap quote>That can be seen by referring <wrap hide>472|00:58:46|820|00:58:56|520</wrap>to the chart.</wrap> and this we have done. Okay, oh my goodness, I've been talking. Uh-oh, <wrap hide>473|00:58:57|620|00:59:07|280</wrap>it's time now—I'm sorry, it's time for our Great Invocation because already 58 minutes <wrap hide>474|00:59:07|280|00:59:16|660</wrap>have elapsed, and I don't want to get into that strange position. So this is the number <wrap hide>475|00:59:16|660|00:59:29|920</wrap>EAA 15, June—oh, 28 June, 29 June, '11. Alright, let us have The Great Invocation then, and <wrap hide>476|00:59:29|920|00:59:35|480</wrap>we will continue. Unfortunately I cannot continue immediately while I'm warmed up because of <wrap hide>477|00:59:35|480|00:59:43|360</wrap>the technical problems involved in making this available to Mac viewers. But maybe a <wrap hide>478|00:59:43|360|00:59:48|440</wrap>situation can be worked out—maybe with two computers, I don't know. Anyway, for the moment <wrap hide>479|00:59:48|440|01:00:04|040</wrap>let us see The Great Invocation, and... okay. Oh, from the point of light within the mind <wrap hide>480|01:00:04|040|01:00:05|380</wrap>of God, and we'll go together. <wrap hide>481|01:00:16|180|01:00:22|480</wrap>From the point of light within the mind of God, let light stream forth into the minds <wrap hide>482|01:00:22|480|01:00:32|380</wrap>of men. Let light descend on Earth. From the point of love within the heart of God, let <wrap hide>483|01:00:32|380|01:00:41|340</wrap>love stream forth into the hearts of men. May Christ return to Earth. From the centre <wrap hide>484|01:00:41|340|01:00:47|720</wrap>where the will of God is known, let purpose guide the little wills of men—the purpose <wrap hide>485|01:00:47|720|01:00:56|600</wrap>which the Masters know and serve. From the centre which we call the race of men, let <wrap hide>486|01:00:56|600|01:01:04|860</wrap>the plan of love and light work out, and may it seal the door where evil dwells. Let light <wrap hide>487|01:01:04|860|01:01:10|280</wrap>and love and power restore the plan on Earth. <wrap hide>488|01:01:13|980|01:01:26|580</wrap>Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. Om. <wrap hide>489|01:01:40|880|01:01:46|380</wrap>Okay, everyone, we will be moving on, I think, to number 17. I guess this is number 16. We <wrap hide>490|01:01:46|380|01:01:52|240</wrap>will be continuing with the Creative Hierarchies. We will certainly be on that for quite a while. <wrap hide>491|01:01:53|680|01:02:00|300</wrap>So, okay, I'll be back to you as soon as I can, and I hope this is useful to you, and <wrap hide>492|01:02:00|300|01:02:04|520</wrap>we will proceed. Many blessings; we'll see you soon.
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