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-<wrap hide>1|00:00:12|160|00:00:19|540</wrap>Hi everybody! We are dealing now with Esoteric Astrology Adventure number 17. <wrap hide>2|00:00:19|540|00:00:29|040</wrap>We have been working on the creative hierarchies, a profound subject, difficult subject, <wrap hide>3|00:00:29|840|00:00:34|600</wrap>and perhaps we will only be skimming the surface in a way, but we'll do the best we can. <wrap hide>4|00:00:35|680|00:00:46|620</wrap>We worked as far as page 36. I've been trying to list the pages really in our last webinar. <wrap hide>5|00:00:46|620|00:00:53|400</wrap>We discussed only pages 34 and 35, the two creative hierarchy tabulations, and a little bit of 36. <wrap hide>6|00:00:54|120|00:00:58|080</wrap>We began with some statements about the creative hierarchies. <wrap hide>7|00:00:59|480|00:01:07|320</wrap>That's where we were ending, rather. These are hierarchies of creative powers, and they are monadic hierarchies. <wrap hide>8|00:01:07|700|00:01:13|920</wrap>There are three hierarchies which are of profound significance, at least to our planet, and I believe in this solar system. <wrap hide>9|00:01:14|740|00:01:20|000</wrap>And they are hierarchies 4, 5, and 6 in order. <wrap hide>10|00:01:21|080|00:01:31|360</wrap>The hierarchy of human monads, the solar angels, and the lower part of the hierarchy, as well as the hierarchy of lunar lords. <wrap hide>11|00:01:31|760|00:01:37|000</wrap>So somehow we are attempting to relate the Sun and the Moon. <wrap hide>12|00:01:38|940|00:01:42|500</wrap>Capricorn hierarchy number 5 is in a way a solar hierarchy. <wrap hide>13|00:01:43|840|00:01:49|760</wrap>It has to do with the solar angels, but it does have a lunar aspect to it, apparently, <wrap hide>14|00:01:50|440|00:01:55|460</wrap>in its lower part, symbolized by the 5-pointed star pointing downward. <wrap hide>15|00:01:56|480|00:02:01|800</wrap>Then we also discussed the idea that the fourth creative hierarchy is in reality the ninth. <wrap hide>16|00:02:01|800|00:02:12|760</wrap>The hierarchy of initiates and nine initiations lie before the member of the human creative hierarchy, the fourth creative hierarchy. <wrap hide>17|00:02:13|500|00:02:22|460</wrap>Perhaps of every hierarchy, it could be said that there are seven stages of form, <wrap hide>18|00:02:23|180|00:02:29|140</wrap>and nine stages of consciousness represented by the nine initiations. <wrap hide>19|00:02:29|140|00:02:33|880</wrap>We now are moving on to point number 4. <wrap quote><wrap hide>20|00:02:35|100|00:02:41|880</wrap>4. We are told in //A Treatise on Cosmic Fire// that in the ninth, tenth and eleventh Hierarchies <wrap hide>21|00:02:42|020|00:02:48|840</wrap>(counting from the bottom upwards) lies the clue to the nature of Agni, the Lord of Fire, <wrap hide>22|00:02:49|640|00:02:53|540</wrap>the sum total of systemic vitality.</wrap> <wrap hide>23|00:02:54|320|00:03:00|860</wrap>Agni is in a way the personality nature of the solar Logos. <wrap hide>24|00:03:02|200|00:03:08|620</wrap>It has been said as well that Agni is prominent on our cosmic physical plane, <wrap hide>25|00:03:09|500|00:03:18|760</wrap>on the monadic, atmic, and buddhic planes, but now the clue to the nature of Agni is being taken still higher. <wrap hide>26|00:03:20|280|00:03:22|740</wrap>And let us see here. <wrap hide>27|00:03:24|000|00:03:29|680</wrap>What did he say? The 9th, 10th, and 11th give us the clue to the nature of Agni. <wrap hide>28|00:03:30|640|00:03:36|100</wrap>The 9th, 10th, and 11th hierarchies, counting from the bottom upward, <wrap hide>29|00:03:36|420|00:03:43|520</wrap>lies the clue to the nature of Agni, the Lord of Fire, the sum total of systemic vitality. <wrap hide>30|00:03:43|520|00:03:57|540</wrap>Agni is probably even more than that because Agni is related to the astral body and lower mental body as well <wrap hide>31|00:03:57|880|00:04:05|600</wrap>of the solar Logos, but systemic vitality is the animating energy of the entire cosmic physical plane, <wrap hide>32|00:04:05|760|00:04:07|340</wrap>and Agni apparently gives us that. <wrap hide>33|00:04:07|340|00:04:14|080</wrap>So interestingly we are dealing with the hierarchies that start with Aries, Taurus, and Gemini, <wrap hide>34|00:04:15|140|00:04:19|880</wrap>and these are in a way abstract signs, the first three signs, <wrap hide>35|00:04:20|300|00:04:28|920</wrap>and apparently are the originating power of Agni as it finds its expression on the cosmic physical plane. <wrap hide>36|00:04:28|920|00:04:35|300</wrap>As I said, Agni being the personality nature of the solar Logos, <wrap hide>37|00:04:35|440|00:04:40|840</wrap>it obviously has expressions on still higher cosmic planes. <wrap hide>38|00:04:42|420|00:04:50|420</wrap>It fits very well, the idea of Agni fitting with Aries is a close fit, <wrap hide>39|00:04:51|360|00:04:57|880</wrap>and Aries the primary fire sign, the major first-ray sign, <wrap hide>40|00:04:57|880|00:05:05|840</wrap>it seems appropriate to begin with the Lord of Fire on the fourth level or sub-plane of the cosmic astral plane. <wrap hide>41|00:05:06|220|00:05:19|380</wrap>Many things are said about Agni, sometimes we would think it would be confined simply to the mental plane of the cosmic physical plane. <wrap hide>42|00:05:19|900|00:05:27|500</wrap>Sometimes these three planes, monadic, spiritual, and intuitive, are considered to be expressions of Agni. <wrap hide>43|00:05:27|500|00:05:32|660</wrap>Or perhaps, including even the Logoic plane, the sea of fire, that would make sense. <wrap hide>44|00:05:33|520|00:05:43|440</wrap>But if we look at still higher planes, we will find that Agni is operative on all these 18 cosmic sub-planes, <wrap hide>45|00:05:43|940|00:05:51|960</wrap>and maybe in a certain sense Agni has power on the higher cosmic mental plane. <wrap hide>46|00:05:51|960|00:05:58|720</wrap>All of this has to be sorted out. There are different expressions of Agni, the Lord of Fire. <wrap hide>47|00:05:59|980|00:06:10|680</wrap>Agni in some ways is equivalent to Brahma, but in some ways still more, and connected with solar fire and electric fire. <wrap hide>48|00:06:11|680|00:06:25|500</wrap>OK, so the sum total of systemic vitality will be related to the hierarchies ruled by the signs Aries, Taurus, and Gemini. <wrap hide>49|00:06:26|280|00:06:33|140</wrap>Creative hierarchies ruled by the signs Aries, Taurus, and Gemini. <wrap hide>50|00:06:34|080|00:06:38|260</wrap>OK, then point number five. <wrap hide>51|00:06:42|180|00:06:49|000</wrap>Much light can come to the earnest student through a study of the numbers connected with these hierarchies. <wrap hide>52|00:06:49|000|00:07:04|700</wrap>Well, OK, we have been emphasizing that fact exactly: that if we use the power of Mercury and of pure reason to relate hierarchies, <wrap hide>53|00:07:05|360|00:07:14|340</wrap>or parts of hierarchies with similar numbers, lines of illumination can appear between these hierarchies, <wrap hide>54|00:07:14|340|00:07:18|080</wrap>revealing the relationship between their nature and function. <wrap hide>55|00:07:19|260|00:07:23|660</wrap>The first five hierarchies are regarded, we are told, as pure abstractions, <wrap hide>56|00:07:23|740|00:07:41|820</wrap>although the fifth creative hierarchy is focused on the highest of the cosmic etheric planes, on the cosmic physical plane. <wrap hide>57|00:07:41|820|00:07:48|980</wrap>So whether it is entirely a pure abstraction yet, or is heading in the direction of becoming a pure abstraction, <wrap hide>58|00:07:50|640|00:07:55|020</wrap>this is something we can look into with greater care. <wrap hide>59|00:07:56|780|00:07:59|920</wrap>Hierarchy one has the numbers six, one, and seven. <wrap hide>60|00:08:00|100|00:08:08|560</wrap>Well, you know, let's just show this, because after all, we've been seeing this. <wrap hide>61|00:08:08|560|00:08:12|060</wrap>Hierarchy one has the numbers six, one, and seven. <wrap hide>62|00:08:12|220|00:08:15|080</wrap>Yes, sure enough, and a picture is worth a thousand words. <wrap hide>63|00:08:16|700|00:08:22|880</wrap>Hierarchy two has the numbers seven, two, and six. <wrap hide>64|00:08:24|700|00:08:25|620</wrap>There they are. <wrap hide>65|00:08:26|440|00:08:33|880</wrap>Hierarchy three, I suppose it goes on to that, has the numbers eight, three, and five. <wrap hide>66|00:08:35|260|00:08:38|200</wrap>Here they are: eight, three, and five. <wrap hide>67|00:08:38|880|00:08:41|800</wrap>Obviously a very intellectual hierarchy. <wrap hide>68|00:08:42|480|00:08:48|880</wrap>Every one of these numbers can also stand for a kind of ray presence. <wrap hide>69|00:08:49|700|00:08:55|300</wrap>For instance, you know, if we're looking at the hierarchy of monads, <wrap hide>70|00:08:56|020|00:09:00|860</wrap>what we find here is a number six, as well as a number seven. <wrap hide>71|00:09:00|860|00:09:06|700</wrap>Well, the monads are lords of ceaseless and persevering devotion. <wrap hide>72|00:09:06|840|00:09:07|920</wrap>There's your number six. <wrap hide>73|00:09:08|860|00:09:16|740</wrap>And their point is to put in a material manifestation on the very lowest plane <wrap hide>74|00:09:16|740|00:09:24|260</wrap>and manifest the monadic nature redemptively on even the very lowest or the seventh plane. <wrap hide>75|00:09:24|260|00:09:35|740</wrap>As far as ray number two goes, they create great formative sounds, <wrap hide>76|00:09:36|740|00:09:46|520</wrap>which are seven great sound geometries which are archetypally related to all lesser forms. <wrap hide>77|00:09:47|420|00:09:58|480</wrap>So the seven great wheels on the monadic plane have to be related to hierarchy number two <wrap hide>78|00:09:58|480|00:10:01|400</wrap>or number seven, depending on how we look at it. <wrap hide>79|00:10:01|740|00:10:05|540</wrap>And if you want to think about it, these numbers are very significant because <wrap hide>80|00:10:06|540|00:10:13|100</wrap>we have Jupiter as the ruler of this hierarchy. <wrap hide>81|00:10:13|940|00:10:17|540</wrap>Jupiter and Virgo. Virgo is the sixth sign. Take a look at that. <wrap hide>82|00:10:18|060|00:10:27|920</wrap>Virgo is the sixth sign, and Jupiter, its hierarchical ruler, expresses principally rays two and rays seven <wrap hide>83|00:10:27|920|00:10:30|840</wrap>because Jupiter is a ceremonial planet. <wrap hide>84|00:10:31|560|00:10:40|860</wrap>So somehow all of these numbers are fitting together and showing intimate, reasonable relationships. <wrap hide>85|00:10:42|680|00:10:50|560</wrap>Hierarchy number four has the numbers nine, four, four. That is the human creative hierarchy. <wrap hide>86|00:10:52|960|00:10:56|340</wrap>Let's see. Okay. We're looking at that. <wrap hide>87|00:10:56|780|00:11:00|060</wrap>And here it is: nine, four, and four. <wrap hide>88|00:11:00|180|00:11:03|600</wrap>And then we're going to see ten, five, and three for the next one. <wrap hide>89|00:11:03|840|00:11:08|040</wrap>Hierarchy five has these numbers, also intellectual and will numbers. <wrap hide>90|00:11:08|040|00:11:12|880</wrap>But the number one or ten has to do with identity. <wrap hide>91|00:11:13|680|00:11:20|420</wrap>And it is here that self-consciousness in a somewhat limited sense is created. <wrap hide>92|00:11:20|520|00:11:21|780</wrap>So that fits with the ten. <wrap hide>93|00:11:22|720|00:11:31|560</wrap>And the five, of course, with the fifth plane and with the idea that these solar angels are great lords of manus <wrap hide>94|00:11:31|560|00:11:38|000</wrap>and intelligent to conceal, but it will also confuse the student. <wrap hide>95|00:11:38|700|00:11:45|100</wrap>So D.K. in this case is trying for us not to fall into a false blind. <wrap hide>96|00:11:46|080|00:11:52|650</wrap>If he needs to blind a particular subject, he does so, but he doesn't want to induce confusion <wrap hide>97|00:11:53|120|00:12:00|260</wrap>or at least he wants to alert us to different numerical systems, numbering systems, which could confuse us. <wrap hide>98|00:12:00|260|00:12:06|320</wrap>The first four hierarchies achieved liberation in the first solar system. <wrap hide>99|00:12:06|420|00:12:12|160</wrap>Well, was it really the first solar system? It was the first major solar system. <wrap hide>100|00:12:13|200|00:12:19|800</wrap>In other words, D.K. tells us there have been five solar systems and we are in the second major solar system. <wrap hide>101|00:12:19|920|00:12:22|380</wrap>The previous one was the first major. <wrap hide>102|00:12:22|380|00:12:29|540</wrap>It probably was given very much the development of the personality nature of the solar Logos <wrap hide>103|00:12:29|540|00:12:38|600</wrap>and personality, we realize, takes its origin from the plane of mind. <wrap hide>104|00:12:38|960|00:12:44|760</wrap>So the idea that it was an intellectual system but also a personal system makes a lot of sense. <wrap hide>105|00:12:44|760|00:12:54|120</wrap>And we are in the soul system in which initiations are being taken by our solar Logos <wrap hide>106|00:12:54|120|00:13:03|660</wrap>because he's coming under the influence of his own great solar angel on the higher cosmic mental plane. <wrap hide>107|00:13:05|440|00:13:09|500</wrap>So the first four hierarchies achieved liberation in the first solar system. <wrap hide>108|00:13:09|500|00:13:19|380</wrap>What is liberation? Perhaps liberation is the freedom from the cosmic physical plane. <wrap hide>109|00:13:20|000|00:13:29|920</wrap>Normally when we talk about liberation, we talk about achieving freedom from the lower three worlds, <wrap hide>110|00:13:30|100|00:13:36|820</wrap>or especially from the eighteen lower sub-planes, but really our liberation concerns the fourth initiation <wrap hide>111|00:13:36|820|00:13:41|720</wrap>and liberation then from the dense physical body of the solar Logos. <wrap hide>112|00:13:42|320|00:13:52|800</wrap>I think liberation for these other hierarchies looks like liberation from the cosmic etheric physical plane, <wrap hide>113|00:13:53|920|00:14:03|760</wrap>liberation from the solar system, the solar systemic expression of the solar Logos. <wrap hide>114|00:14:03|760|00:14:10|720</wrap>He's still very much active within the body, astral body of the solar Logos, but not within his system per se. <wrap hide>115|00:14:11|560|00:14:18|980</wrap>Their influence reached our earth through the medium of the fifth creative hierarchy. <wrap hide>116|00:14:19|160|00:14:26|140</wrap>Now is that a past tense, reached, or is it, or is it reaches? <wrap hide>117|00:14:27|780|00:14:29|980</wrap>We'll have to check a book on that. <wrap hide>118|00:14:29|980|00:14:41|640</wrap>Sometimes there are typos in this A.A.B. CD-ROM and they occur in strange places. <wrap hide>119|00:14:42|300|00:14:45|800</wrap>They still do have influence; they are liberated, <wrap hide>120|00:14:46|380|00:14:52|620</wrap>but remember that the fifth creative hierarchy is partially unmanifested, partially liberated apparently, <wrap hide>121|00:14:52|620|00:15:02|460</wrap>and so has its place of focus on the highest of the cosmic etheric planes, i.e. the Logoic plane, <wrap hide>122|00:15:02|580|00:15:14|860</wrap>and there is a way thereby where it can bring into the cosmic ethers that part of cosmic desire which the first four hierarchies represent. <wrap hide>123|00:15:16|080|00:15:18|860</wrap>Now we're on page thirty-seven; boy, are we making progress! <wrap hide>124|00:15:19|860|00:15:32|960</wrap>Okay, these are therefore related to the four rays which work as minor rays of attribute under the great major third ray of active intelligence. <wrap hide>125|00:15:34|060|00:15:48|080</wrap>So I think he's talking about all five of the liberated, or almost liberated creative hierarchies. <wrap hide>126|00:15:48|080|00:15:59|880</wrap>These, because we do have the first of the liberated creative hierarchies being ruled by the great third ray of active intelligence. <wrap hide>127|00:16:01|600|00:16:13|600</wrap>Associating Pisces with active intelligence—well, Pisces is the ocean of matter, and matter is ruled by the intelligence aspect. <wrap hide>128|00:16:13|600|00:16:29|400</wrap>So I think a great deal of what goes on within the substance of the cosmic physical plane is directed from this first creative hierarchy, <wrap hide>129|00:16:30|480|00:16:35|640</wrap>the first unmanifested creative hierarchy. The ray is ray three, <wrap hide>130|00:16:35|640|00:16:44|720</wrap>and one of the keynotes on the clockwise wheel for Pisces is "go forth into matter." <wrap hide>131|00:16:45|320|00:16:50|200</wrap>So the connection of matter-substance with Pisces is very strong, <wrap hide>132|00:16:50|480|00:16:58|080</wrap>and probably also the passivity of matter is related to the passivity of Pisces. <wrap hide>133|00:16:58|080|00:17:13|620</wrap>Perhaps this great third ray working through the first of the creative hierarchies is related to the substance of the previous solar system, <wrap hide>134|00:17:13|780|00:17:25|080</wrap>which is ruled by the third ray, not the second, and therefore this hierarchy is related to that which occurs within the dense physical body of the solar Logos, <wrap hide>135|00:17:25|080|00:17:28|460</wrap>which is inherited from his previous solar system. <wrap hide>136|00:17:29|620|00:17:41|140</wrap>So we're talking about the third, fourth, fifth, and sixth rays in relation to these liberated, or in one case almost liberated, hierarchy. <wrap hide>137|00:17:42|480|00:17:46|440</wrap>Pisces—okay, well this becomes interesting. <wrap hide>138|00:17:47|760|00:17:59|420</wrap>Pisces is seen at the head of the list of zodiacal signs because it is governing the present great astrological world cycle of 25,000 years, <wrap hide>139|00:17:59|420|00:18:15|460</wrap>soon to end, but at a time which cannot be determined by human astrological science, D.K. tells us. <wrap hide>140|00:18:15|460|00:18:25|960</wrap>And then you kind of wonder whether we would move up within the creative hierarchies so that Aquarius, <wrap hide>141|00:18:26|420|00:18:36|520</wrap>which is destined to govern the next 25,000-year cycle, would head twelve creative hierarchies. <wrap hide>142|00:18:36|520|00:18:43|520</wrap>And we wonder what would happen to the lowest of the creative hierarchies, <wrap hide>143|00:18:45|060|00:18:59|880</wrap>whether there would be an etherealization of matter in our solar system in such a way that the very lowest aspects of matter would disappear, <wrap hide>144|00:19:01|320|00:19:09|360</wrap>although it does seem to me that the etheric nature of our solar system will not disappear, <wrap hide>145|00:19:10|160|00:19:17|340</wrap>and probably that etheric nature will still be active in the next solar system. <wrap hide>146|00:19:17|640|00:19:25|160</wrap>It doesn't seem quite reasonable that the astral plane will be the lowest plane in the next solar system. <wrap hide>147|00:19:25|820|00:19:34|780</wrap>Could be, but I think something of the etheric physical nature will be transferred over into that system, <wrap hide>148|00:19:34|820|00:19:43|100</wrap>especially since it will be ruled by Ray 1, and Ray 1 has to have a lower correspondence in the etheric physical nature, <wrap hide>149|00:19:43|200|00:19:45|220</wrap>at least in the etheric part of it. <wrap hide>150|00:19:46|100|00:19:53|980</wrap>In any case, it's very interesting that it heads the list—the Pisces hierarchy heads the list—because it's presently active. <wrap hide>151|00:19:54|980|00:20:09|660</wrap>We are almost, however, at the end of that great age, and the implications from D.K. is that the 25,000-year Aquarian cycle will begin rather soon, <wrap hide>152|00:20:09|700|00:20:18|100</wrap>and I think before we leave the 2,500-year Aquarian cycle, <wrap hide>153|00:20:18|960|00:20:25|560</wrap>which we know, according to one of the D.K. letters, is beginning in the year 2117, <wrap hide>154|00:20:26|200|00:20:34|680</wrap>at which point the vernal equinox will reach the 30th degree of Aquarius, however that may be measured. <wrap hide>155|00:20:35|680|00:20:45|160</wrap>Okay, so, Pisces is still important, and even though we may fade out of the age of Pisces, <wrap hide>156|00:20:45|380|00:20:52|880</wrap>and its influence may entirely disappear in the 21st century, as D.K. tells us, <wrap hide>157|00:20:53|400|00:21:02|220</wrap>the 6th Ray influence disappearing a bit later, perhaps by the year 2130 or somewhere there, <wrap hide>158|00:21:02|220|00:21:14|440</wrap>that even though that Piscean influence may disappear, there may be a bit of a hangover of the Pisces influence for some hundreds of years later, <wrap hide>159|00:21:14|440|00:21:19|480</wrap>due to the fact that the 25,000 year Pisces cycle may not have expired. <wrap hide>160|00:21:19|480|00:21:33|620</wrap>But certainly we are in the 5,000 year overlap period between the two great Platonic ages of Pisces and Aquarius. <wrap hide>161|00:21:34|440|00:21:41|580</wrap>So this is a time of real mixture of energies and contention of energies between these two streams. <wrap hide>162|00:21:41|580|00:21:52|020</wrap>We can feel it on the lesser 2,500 year cycle, as Pisces contends with the emerging Aquarius, <wrap hide>163|00:21:52|180|00:21:59|280</wrap>perhaps ever since the time of Sir Francis Bacon, who was the archetypal Aquarian, <wrap hide>164|00:22:00|320|00:22:08|040</wrap>as Master R, and had in his horoscope an Aquarius sun, an Aquarius ascendant, and Mercury rising in Aquarius. <wrap hide>165|00:22:08|040|00:22:21|700</wrap>Very Aquarian, but we can feel it also in a much vaster sense, that 5,000 year period beginning when... <wrap hide>166|00:22:22|680|00:22:28|840</wrap>Could it have been at the death of Krishna, at the beginning of one of the Kali Yugas? <wrap hide>167|00:22:28|840|00:22:35|260</wrap>Could it have been almost 5,000 years ago, just about 5,000 years ago, <wrap hide>168|00:22:35|680|00:22:44|960</wrap>when the Buddha, a great savior, took over the head of the spiritual hierarchy in that year, <wrap hide>169|00:22:45|740|00:22:49|880</wrap>approximately the year 3000 BC? Could it have been then, or a little later? <wrap hide>170|00:22:52|860|00:23:03|520</wrap>Our science cannot determine it, but the implication is that we are not far from the beginning of that 25,000 year Aquarian cycle, <wrap hide>171|00:23:03|700|00:23:14|280</wrap>which, as I said, I believe, will occur during the 2,500 year impending Aquarian cycle, though I cannot prove it. <wrap hide>172|00:23:14|280|00:23:24|460</wrap>That's another line of research, and I would have to have the Tibetan's words in front of me in order to reason with fair accuracy about it. <wrap hide>173|00:23:26|460|00:23:34|220</wrap>This Pisces, it was also one of the dominant signs influencing our planet at the time of individualization, <wrap hide>174|00:23:34|220|00:23:47|380</wrap>when the human kingdom came into being. Now, usually, you hear of Leo, Gemini, Sagittarius, etc., as being dominant, <wrap hide>175|00:23:48|140|00:23:57|440</wrap>but Pisces may have given a great impressionability, and the saviors, who are the solar angels, <wrap hide>176|00:23:57|440|00:24:10|300</wrap>may have been able to enter more powerfully when a saving sign Pisces, and a second-ray sign at that, was in potency. <wrap hide>177|00:24:10|440|00:24:20|460</wrap>So we'll just have to accept what D.K. says here: it was one of the dominant signs, although this is not usually discussed in other contexts. <wrap hide>178|00:24:21|080|00:24:30|120</wrap>It is basically related to the first or highest grade of hierarchy. Now is it really...that's the question. Can you extend these creative hierarchies? <wrap hide>179|00:24:30|220|00:24:40|040</wrap>It would seem to me that you would have to, but I think we're talking here about our solar system at our present level of development, <wrap hide>180|00:24:40|040|00:24:51|520</wrap>so it's the highest, first or highest grade of hierarchy which D.K. mentions, but the probability of going beyond it on Jacob's ladder of universal development, <wrap hide>181|00:24:52|000|00:25:07|140</wrap>I would say, is very good, though probably speculation doesn't do much for us, except that we are able to extrapolate using rays and signs, <wrap hide>182|00:25:07|140|00:25:11|640</wrap>as we speculate about what these higher creative hierarchies might be. <wrap hide>183|00:25:12|460|00:25:18|860</wrap>So it is basically related to the first or highest grade of hierarchy, which is, in its turn, related to the third ray of active intelligence. <wrap hide>184|00:25:18|940|00:25:34|700</wrap>This we have been discussing. It was the product of the first solar system, so it emerged as it is due to development within the first solar system. <wrap hide>185|00:25:35|640|00:25:43|380</wrap>He calls it the first solar system, but we have to remember it's the first of the major solar systems. <wrap hide>186|00:25:43|540|00:25:54|000</wrap>The development of illumination through an awakened intelligence is the first goal of humanity, and this is the hierarchy which has priority. <wrap hide>187|00:25:54|640|00:26:06|940</wrap>Let us see here what illumination has to do with the picture, because illumination, I think, is very connected with the Taurus hierarchy, <wrap hide>188|00:26:06|940|00:26:20|360</wrap>but definitely on the third subplane of the cosmic astral plane, the factor of intelligence and illumination will be strong because it's such a mental position, <wrap hide>189|00:26:21|340|00:26:28|480</wrap>and intelligence is found all the way through in terms of the rays that are ruling. <wrap hide>190|00:26:29|720|00:26:39|800</wrap>So we achieve illumination by sensitivity to the higher energies which are expressing already in the world of light, <wrap hide>191|00:26:40|700|00:26:46|540</wrap>and Pisces gives us the sensitivity to those higher dimensions. <wrap hide>192|00:26:46|540|00:27:00|820</wrap>Pisces gives sensitivity to the dimensions wherein illumination already exists. <wrap hide>193|00:27:02|460|00:27:15|600</wrap>All right, well you see, we can maybe say a few things, but there is extraordinary depth to what D.K. is talking about. <wrap hide>194|00:27:15|600|00:27:28|060</wrap>Obviously, we as monads that are in the manifesting creative hierarchies are not really to be considered products of the first solar system. <wrap hide>195|00:27:29|040|00:27:43|440</wrap>Here we would have to say that these liberated lives achieved individualization in the first solar system. <wrap hide>196|00:27:43|440|00:27:58|300</wrap>But then, think of it: even some human beings who are the nomads wandering on the third and fourth ray into our solar system <wrap hide>197|00:27:58|300|00:28:05|280</wrap>achieved individualization and some degree of self-conscious development in the first solar system. <wrap hide>198|00:28:06|160|00:28:13|580</wrap>So the question of what it means by "the product of"—it could be individualization, could be that— <wrap hide>199|00:28:14|460|00:28:22|840</wrap>certainly if the solar angels were men in the first solar system, first major solar system, they achieved individualization there. <wrap hide>200|00:28:23|760|00:28:30|860</wrap>The question is, did these higher hierarchies also achieve individualization there or possibly in earlier solar systems? <wrap hide>201|00:28:31|620|00:28:36|080</wrap>All right, let's move on here to what D.K. continues to say. <wrap hide>202|00:28:37|400|00:28:43|660</wrap>"The fifth creative hierarchy, also numbered eight, is on the verge of liberation. <wrap hide>203|00:28:44|060|00:28:49|540</wrap>This we have been discussing. It is peculiarly connected with the tenth creative hierarchy, <wrap hide>204|00:28:49|920|00:28:54|870</wrap>which is the fifth of the manifested hierarchies, and with the constellation Capricorn, <wrap hide>205|00:28:54|870|00:29:07|030</wrap>and with the human personality, which veils and temporarily hides the Christ principle behind both form and mind." <wrap hide>206|00:29:08|090|00:29:23|870</wrap>Well, think about this. The sign Cancer, which is veiling the Christ, is very much connected with the lunar vehicles of man, <wrap hide>207|00:29:23|870|00:29:28|770</wrap>which these lunar vehicles comprise his personality. <wrap hide>208|00:29:29|930|00:29:33|930</wrap>The sign Capricorn usually gives liberation from that personality, <wrap hide>209|00:29:33|950|00:29:46|890</wrap>but at the same time there is a certain density of this sign, Capricorn, which leads to the sense of separative personality. <wrap hide>210|00:29:46|890|00:29:54|650</wrap>The principle of separation can be very strong in the lower type of Capricorn because it rules concretion, <wrap hide>211|00:29:54|890|00:30:04|810</wrap>and when you have concretion you don't have that flow between a unit through a subtle membrane connecting it to other units. <wrap hide>212|00:30:04|950|00:30:08|750</wrap>You have isolation, solidification, concretion. <wrap hide>213|00:30:09|750|00:30:19|250</wrap>So, I also explained that the fifth almost-liberated hierarchy is ruled by Neptune, <wrap hide>214|00:30:20|370|00:30:29|390</wrap>and the fifth or tenth hierarchy, which is manifested, is ruled by Venus, and Neptune is the higher octave. <wrap hide>215|00:30:30|150|00:30:40|090</wrap>So, this human personality is very much involved with the Capricorn-Cancer, Capricorn polarity, <wrap hide>216|00:30:40|990|00:30:58|790</wrap>and I'm trying to think about—yeah, that picture tabulation in Esoteric Psychology, Esoteric Astrology, page 50— <wrap hide>217|00:30:58|790|00:31:07|630</wrap>and we see that the Cancer-Capricorn is mediated through Saturn, <wrap hide>218|00:31:08|930|00:31:14|910</wrap>and is bringing the energies of Sirius, which are providing the solar angels, <wrap hide>219|00:31:16|170|00:31:25|110</wrap>which make it possible for man to individualize and begin to develop his personality consciousness <wrap hide>220|00:31:25|110|00:31:31|890</wrap>based upon that consciousness developing around the spark of mind. <wrap hide>221|00:31:32|990|00:31:43|530</wrap>So, we do see here definitely a connection with individualization and the tenth creative hierarchy, <wrap hide>222|00:31:43|670|00:31:50|570</wrap>and with the constellations Cancer and Capricorn contributing to that sense of distinctness. <wrap hide>223|00:31:50|570|00:31:57|690</wrap>"It is peculiarly connected with the tenth creative hierarchy, with the constellation Capricorn, the two gates, <wrap hide>224|00:31:58|970|00:32:07|430</wrap>Cancer-Capricorn, and with the human personality which veils and hides, temporarily hides, the Christ principle <wrap hide>225|00:32:07|430|00:32:15|090</wrap>behind both form and mind." So, Capricorn and Cancer are giving us form and mind, <wrap hide>226|00:32:15|090|00:32:25|990</wrap>and the solar angels have given us mind, so at least one part of this hierarchy is related to the veil, <wrap hide>227|00:32:26|810|00:32:34|170</wrap>and another part to the liberating factor to the Christ principle which thins the veil <wrap hide>228|00:32:34|170|00:32:37|230</wrap>and brings about release from form and mind. <wrap hide>229|00:32:37|930|00:32:42|530</wrap>"Eight is under some numerical systems regarded as the number of the Christ." <wrap hide>230|00:32:42|530|00:32:47|550</wrap>It would be great to know what those numerical systems actually were. <wrap hide>231|00:32:52|130|00:33:07|410</wrap>Eight is also a number of the infernal forces, and is connected with an eighth sphere idea, <wrap hide>232|00:33:07|410|00:33:10|050</wrap>which can be described in different ways. <wrap hide>233|00:33:10|510|00:33:17|990</wrap>Blavatsky described it as a kind of a dustbin or a dust bowl into which all refuse was being swept <wrap hide>234|00:33:17|990|00:33:23|350</wrap>as this dustbin swept along behind the Earth. <wrap hide>235|00:33:23|870|00:33:32|350</wrap>I wonder how literal that really is, but it has an amazingly graphic presentation. <wrap hide>236|00:33:32|350|00:33:40|670</wrap>But from another perspective, it's about the eighth sphere, and the concrete mind which definitely hides <wrap hide>237|00:33:40|670|00:33:47|410</wrap>behind form and mind, the Christ principle, can be considered a kind of eighth sphere. <wrap hide>238|00:33:48|530|00:33:55|290</wrap>And the development of an independent eighth sphere, or the creation of a concrete mind of immense power <wrap hide>239|00:33:55|290|00:34:01|150</wrap>which is impervious to the liberating influence of the higher part of this fifth creative hierarchy, <wrap hide>240|00:34:01|150|00:34:07|830</wrap>is a great tragedy which can befall a human being as he veers off on the left-hand path. <wrap hide>241|00:34:07|830|00:34:10|510</wrap>and becomes a member of the Black Lodge. <wrap hide>242|00:34:10|710|00:34:15|370</wrap>So eight is a Christ number, yes, and will relate in that case to the Solar Angels, <wrap hide>243|00:34:15|370|00:34:24|290</wrap>but eight is also an infernal number and can relate to the dregs and to the lower part of Scorpio, <wrap hide>244|00:34:24|290|00:34:33|030</wrap>and to the concrete mind as the eighth sphere, blocking all possibility of passing along the Sirian line of initiation <wrap hide>245|00:34:33|030|00:34:39|850</wrap>and making contact with the eighth creative hierarchy of triads. <wrap hide>246|00:34:40|590|00:34:44|750</wrap>And as D.K. will tell us, the man refuses to become a Christ. <wrap hide>247|00:34:44|930|00:34:49|050</wrap>So we need to look at things. There's no number which is high or low. <wrap hide>248|00:34:50|110|00:34:56|170</wrap>The number of love, wisdom and unity in relationship, for instance, is also the number two, the number of duality. <wrap hide>249|00:34:56|310|00:34:58|850</wrap>We can look at it from high, from low. <wrap hide>250|00:34:59|010|00:35:09|450</wrap>The number of absolute identification, the number one, can be considered a number of complete unitary isolation and egoism <wrap hide>251|00:35:10|390|00:35:18|910</wrap>in which the man becomes untouchable, as is the case on the first ray and sometimes the fifth, D.K. tells us. <wrap hide>252|00:35:20|030|00:35:29|190</wrap>So we're going to do more with this fifth creative hierarchy because it is so pivotal to our development <wrap hide>253|00:35:31|450|00:35:39|970</wrap>as true human beings and eventually as angelic beings and eventually as Solar Angels. <wrap hide>254|00:35:40|970|00:35:48|130</wrap>We go on about the greater builder, greater builders and lesser builders, <wrap hide>255|00:35:48|190|00:35:54|310</wrap>remembering that we are not talking necessarily about unconscious builders, <wrap hide>256|00:35:55|730|00:36:03|210</wrap>or those who are self-conscious and therefore greater. We're talking about the builders who work according to the archetypes <wrap hide>257|00:36:03|210|00:36:09|850</wrap>found upon the cosmic etheric planes and who build in the cosmic ethers, <wrap hide>258|00:36:09|850|00:36:20|630</wrap>those forms which must precipitate as the plan-derived forms within the dense physical body of the Solar Logos. <wrap hide>259|00:36:21|250|00:36:27|630</wrap>The greater builders and lesser builders of hierarchy two and three, working on the second and third planes of our solar system, <wrap hide>260|00:36:27|990|00:36:37|110</wrap>have their activities reflected in the lunar lords and elemental lives, and let's see how that might work out. <wrap hide>261|00:36:39|850|00:36:49|250</wrap>Here are the greater builders and here are the lesser builders, and perhaps it works in this way, <wrap hide>262|00:36:50|210|00:36:53|950</wrap>that there is a kind of reflection which is a correspondence, not an inversion, <wrap hide>263|00:36:54|770|00:37:04|270</wrap>and the divine builders will be connected. These greater builders connected with the lunar lords, <wrap hide>264|00:37:04|270|00:37:12|570</wrap>the number six and two correlating, those rays correlating, and the lesser builders who are within the body of Brahma, <wrap hide>265|00:37:13|430|00:37:19|950</wrap>cosmically considered, well, systemically considered, will be reflected in the elemental lives, <wrap hide>266|00:37:20|390|00:37:24|070</wrap>the basic material lives, because we have now entered the realm of matter. <wrap hide>267|00:37:24|950|00:37:29|970</wrap>This is still the realm of quality, divine builders, reflected in the lunar lords. <wrap hide>268|00:37:29|970|00:37:36|390</wrap>But once we touch the lesser builders, we have entered our systemic Brahma. We're in the realm of matter, <wrap hide>269|00:37:36|730|00:37:42|750</wrap>and that is reflected in the lowest of the creative hierarchies, the elemental lives. <wrap hide>270|00:37:43|330|00:37:51|690</wrap>Even the lunar lords can be considered elementals, but the tiny elemental lives, these come in a different category, <wrap hide>271|00:37:51|690|00:38:00|230</wrap>and the vehicle of a lunar lord is comprised of many tiny elemental lives, <wrap hide>272|00:38:00|530|00:38:06|350</wrap>so we have to be cautious in the way the word "elemental" is used, <wrap hide>273|00:38:06|350|00:38:15|670</wrap>because sometimes it can mean quite a sizable vehicle: mental elemental, personality elemental, astral elemental, physical elemental, <wrap hide>274|00:38:15|670|00:38:22|250</wrap>but sometimes it can mean the tiniest of lives which are the constituents of matter. <wrap hide>275|00:38:23|070|00:38:32|630</wrap>Maybe the tiniest elemental life of all is found in a way in the matter of the Logoic plane, <wrap hide>276|00:38:32|930|00:38:40|430</wrap>and would be called in Leadbeater's terms a bubble, a bubble in the koilon. <wrap hide>277|00:38:41|410|00:38:44|730</wrap>Let's see where we are here. Well, okay, we're moving along. <wrap hide>278|00:38:46|410|00:38:51|650</wrap>So the greater builders and the lesser builders working on the second and third sub-planes of our solar system, <wrap hide>279|00:38:52|870|00:39:00|530</wrap>I suppose these are deva hierarchies, although one type is the prototype of the monads, <wrap hide>280|00:39:00|870|00:39:09|130</wrap>so maybe this third hierarchy, third manifesting hierarchy, is a deva hierarchy. I believe so, <wrap hide>281|00:39:09|130|00:39:17|450</wrap>but can we say the same of the greater builders on the monadic plane who are the prototypes of the monads, <wrap hide>282|00:39:17|590|00:39:18|730</wrap>the monads being man? <wrap hide>283|00:39:20|130|00:39:25|870</wrap>There's much yet to be clarified in this question of what is a deva hierarchy <wrap hide>284|00:39:26|470|00:39:31|010</wrap>and what is a man-like hierarchy. <wrap hide>285|00:39:32|630|00:39:37|050</wrap>So these are reflected in the work of the lunar lords and the elemental lives going on. <wrap hide>286|00:39:37|050|00:39:52|130</wrap>You will note that the human hierarchy on chart 944, that's the way it looks, it's chart 944, <wrap hide>287|00:39:52|810|00:40:00|750</wrap>the human hierarchy, not necessarily the human kingdom because there are many kingdoms in the same hierarchy. <wrap hide>288|00:40:00|750|00:40:08|350</wrap>You could even wonder from some perspectives whether the mineral, vegetable, animal kingdoms as well as the human <wrap hide>289|00:40:08|350|00:40:15|810</wrap>are found in the fourth creative hierarchy. Certainly the kingdom of souls is found there, <wrap hide>290|00:40:15|810|00:40:18|570</wrap>and maybe even the kingdom of planetary lives. <wrap hide>291|00:40:19|150|00:40:25|450</wrap>This is really a different way of looking at the kingdoms as if they all have, <wrap hide>292|00:40:25|450|00:40:36|690</wrap>are based upon a monadic focus on the monadic plane of the cosmic physical plane. <wrap hide>293|00:40:38|150|00:40:46|490</wrap>So anyway, you will note that the human hierarchy is assigned no particular element as it has to fuse and synthesize them all. <wrap hide>294|00:40:46|610|00:40:50|750</wrap>So we are working with the four elements; we are working on the cross. <wrap hide>295|00:40:52|210|00:41:00|050</wrap>The four elements present to us one of our crosses, <wrap hide>296|00:41:01|390|00:41:11|310</wrap>and we can see that in any one of the astrological triplicities we will have fire, water, air and earth. <wrap hide>297|00:41:11|310|00:41:17|730</wrap>Well, let's take a look at the cardinal group, or quaternaries rather. <wrap hide>298|00:41:18|610|00:41:29|470</wrap>We have Aries: fire, square to Cancer: water, square to Libra: air, square to Capricorn: earth. <wrap hide>299|00:41:29|850|00:41:38|750</wrap>So working with the elements presents us with a great challenge because they are located in a way square to each other <wrap hide>300|00:41:38|750|00:41:43|930</wrap>and have to be synthesized, reconciled. <wrap hide>301|00:41:44|050|00:41:53|370</wrap>Now if you have a cross, let's—a cross like this, we have to go to the center of the cross to find the point of reconciliation <wrap hide>302|00:41:53|370|00:41:59|770</wrap>and lift that center into the number five before it becomes a point of synthesis. <wrap hide>303|00:42:01|270|00:42:07|070</wrap>So as we are tested, we are tested on varieties of the cross, <wrap hide>304|00:42:08|330|00:42:22|050</wrap>and this factor of fusing the elements in a great conflicted situation is part of the great tests of initiation under Scorpio. <wrap hide>305|00:42:22|050|00:42:27|030</wrap>We remember that under Scorpio the first three initiations minimally occur, <wrap hide>306|00:42:27|430|00:42:40|090</wrap>and if Scorpio is active at the fourth initiation of death, then its peculiar testing potency is no longer what it was for the first three initiations. <wrap hide>307|00:42:40|750|00:42:44|890</wrap>It makes sense because Scorpio is the major fourth-race sign, at least at this time, <wrap hide>308|00:42:44|890|00:42:51|870</wrap>and so naturally Scorpio would be related to the cross. Scorpio related to the cross, <wrap hide>309|00:42:53|530|00:43:01|770</wrap>and to all of our testing on various crosses. We do have various crosses and we are tested on them. <wrap hide>310|00:43:02|450|00:43:11|250</wrap>We have the cross of experience, the common or mutable cross, the elements of which in that quaternary are all in square or opposed to each other. <wrap hide>311|00:43:11|250|00:43:21|490</wrap>We have the fixed cross of the soul, which gives us our awakening as a soul and our liberation as a soul from matter, <wrap hide>312|00:43:21|490|00:43:26|790</wrap>and we have the cardinal cross, also a great square and opposition configuration, <wrap hide>313|00:43:27|750|00:43:35|070</wrap>giving us higher planetary, systemic and even cosmic development. <wrap hide>314|00:43:35|810|00:43:44|150</wrap>So we do see that we, the human kingdom, have to rise above the cross into the number five in a sense, <wrap hide>315|00:43:44|630|00:43:53|930</wrap>into the kingdom of souls, into the sign Leo, which is the most human of all the signs, into the way Leo represents mastership. <wrap hide>316|00:43:55|030|00:44:03|270</wrap>We have to master the elements; we're crucified on the cross, we rise above it, <wrap hide>317|00:44:03|810|00:44:08|510</wrap>perhaps the very point of synthesis at the center of the cross in a way represents the fourth initiation, <wrap hide>318|00:44:09|030|00:44:14|870</wrap>and it spirals up to the pyramid, which is one of the great symbols of the fifth initiation. <wrap hide>319|00:44:17|090|00:44:18|210</wrap>Number twelve. <wrap hide>320|00:44:21|010|00:44:25|630</wrap>This chart is drawn up in relation only to the fourth creative hierarchy. <wrap hide>321|00:44:25|750|00:44:28|930</wrap>Now this is important. It's a question I have been asking: the human. <wrap hide>322|00:44:29|690|00:44:37|710</wrap>It is not drawn up in relation to the other planetary manifestations. We wonder what that would be. <wrap hide>323|00:44:38|710|00:44:45|270</wrap>This is telling us something about how all of these creative hierarchies are working in relation to human development, <wrap hide>324|00:44:46|170|00:44:58|830</wrap>but it still may relate to humanity as found on other planets. <wrap hide>325|00:45:00|670|00:45:09|050</wrap>So even though the perspective is not that of the development of any of these other creative hierarchies, <wrap hide>326|00:45:09|230|00:45:24|050</wrap>and man occupies a central position here, this is not to say that the charts that are drawn up have only to do with the manifestation on our planet, <wrap hide>327|00:45:24|050|00:45:30|750</wrap>but though I think somehow it has particular relevance to manifestation, human manifestation on our planet. <wrap hide>328|00:45:31|550|00:45:37|610</wrap>After all, it's the only planet on which we really understand anything about human manifestation, <wrap hide>329|00:45:37|850|00:45:47|130</wrap>even though we are told there are humanities that have developed on Venus and Mercury and Vulcan and the Earth. <wrap hide>330|00:45:49|090|00:45:55|510</wrap>He talks about the present humanity on Vulcan, two-fifths of which have achieved, <wrap hide>331|00:45:55|670|00:45:59|170</wrap>when only one-fifth of our humanity has achieved, <wrap hide>332|00:45:59|570|00:46:10|090</wrap>and seems to point to Venus as a field in which all the human units have achieved and possibly become Buddhic. <wrap hide>333|00:46:10|930|00:46:18|070</wrap>All right. Now, wow, we have made it from page 36 to 38. We are really speeding along here. <wrap hide>334|00:46:19|230|00:46:26|490</wrap><wrap quote>The chart has been compiled from a very limited stock of knowledge that has thus far been revealed on the subject, <wrap hide>335|00:46:26|590|00:46:32|370</wrap>and it is as correct as possible under the circumstances.</wrap> Well, this certainly answers my question, doesn't it? <wrap hide>336|00:46:33|370|00:46:42|290</wrap>This is not from D.K.'s direct dictation, but from that which has been available, <wrap hide>337|00:46:42|630|00:46:48|550</wrap>and therefore there are probably some holes in this chart, <wrap hide>338|00:46:52|470|00:47:01|490</wrap>and incompleteness and methods of describing things which are perhaps not pristine, <wrap hide>339|00:47:01|850|00:47:05|810</wrap>and some possible lines of confusion or provocation. <wrap hide>340|00:47:06|090|00:47:14|150</wrap>You know, when I see on this chart that the solar angel is connected directly with the human hierarchy, <wrap hide>341|00:47:15|570|00:47:21|970</wrap>immediately we want to know what it is. Why does he describe not the human, <wrap hide>342|00:47:22|770|00:47:26|810</wrap>but solar angels, Agnishvattas, and their buddhic connection? <wrap hide>343|00:47:27|810|00:47:39|750</wrap>That is somewhat mysterious. We do have to consider whether the solar angels achieved more than a buddhic status <wrap hide>344|00:47:40|370|00:47:47|350</wrap>in the last solar system. After all, even if there were five planes, they are initiates of all degrees. <wrap hide>345|00:47:47|610|00:47:54|910</wrap>That would be at least... what was the highest initiation achievable in the last solar system? <wrap hide>346|00:47:55|170|00:48:01|270</wrap>I know somewhere D.K. talks about it. Was it initiation number four? Possibly, I think so. <wrap hide>347|00:48:02|530|00:48:09|830</wrap>But the solar angels, those who were men in the previous solar system, had to pass on to the cosmic astral plane <wrap hide>348|00:48:09|830|00:48:16|870</wrap>in order to go to Sirius, in order to be breathed out again as men who had become solar angels. <wrap hide>349|00:48:19|390|00:48:28|470</wrap>So their monad seems to have had to focus on the cosmic astral plane. <wrap hide>350|00:48:29|230|00:48:36|390</wrap>But what is their main field of expression now on the cosmic physical plane? <wrap hide>351|00:48:36|530|00:48:40|510</wrap>Certainly sacrificially it's on the higher mental plane, yes. <wrap hide>352|00:48:41|070|00:48:45|530</wrap>But what is their field of non-sacrificial expression? <wrap hide>353|00:48:45|630|00:48:51|410</wrap>Where do they ordinarily and in the economy of our solar system express? <wrap hide>354|00:48:51|530|00:48:57|950</wrap>Is it simply the buddhic plane, or did they not move beyond that in the previous solar system, <wrap hide>355|00:48:57|950|00:49:02|750</wrap>or have they returned to the buddhic plane also sacrificially? <wrap hide>356|00:49:03|770|00:49:07|790</wrap>See, because the human monads are to express on the buddhic plane, <wrap hide>357|00:49:08|330|00:49:13|970</wrap>and yet the solar angelic monads are much higher. Are they too to express on the buddhic plane? <wrap hide>358|00:49:15|970|00:49:19|130</wrap>The question always is what is a true solar angel? <wrap hide>359|00:49:19|650|00:49:24|870</wrap>And in a way, are all of these beings solar angels of different categories? <wrap hide>360|00:49:25|730|00:49:29|710</wrap>These things are not easy to answer. We can't answer them. <wrap hide>361|00:49:29|830|00:49:36|290</wrap>D.K. says we will not solve the mystery of the fifth grade of hierarchy. <wrap hide>362|00:49:36|510|00:49:38|650</wrap>We will not solve the mystery of the solar angels. <wrap hide>363|00:49:39|270|00:49:43|270</wrap>But what I try to do here is offer up lines of connection and speculation <wrap hide>364|00:49:43|890|00:49:49|950</wrap>which may put a few arcs of light into the field which were not there before. <wrap hide>365|00:49:49|950|00:49:55|230</wrap>And maybe those arcs of light will lead to others, and eventually to a solution <wrap hide>366|00:49:55|470|00:49:59|550</wrap>when we have developed a higher consciousness. <wrap hide>367|00:50:02|910|00:50:05|290</wrap>So anyway, the charts are limited. <wrap hide>368|00:50:06|310|00:50:11|290</wrap><wrap quote>Each of the seven hierarchies of beings,</wrap> these are the manifested ones <wrap quote>found within the Twelve,</wrap> <wrap hide>369|00:50:11|370|00:50:15|190</wrap>who are the builders or the attractive agents. <wrap hide>370|00:50:15|790|00:50:23|270</wrap>In other words, they are monads with attractive power that attract different types of matter and form around them, <wrap hide>371|00:50:23|370|00:50:26|610</wrap>are in their degree intermediaries. <wrap hide>372|00:50:27|690|00:50:38|130</wrap>So we can see creative hierarchies working through lesser creative hierarchies, <wrap hide>373|00:50:38|130|00:50:48|190</wrap>and aspiring to participate in the life of greater creative hierarchies. <wrap hide>374|00:50:48|910|00:50:55|550</wrap>They <wrap quote>all embody one of the types of force emanating from the seven constellations.</wrap> <wrap hide>375|00:50:56|130|00:51:01|650</wrap>The term constellations is there, and I think not signs per se. <wrap hide>376|00:51:02|210|00:51:12|490</wrap>And the constellations involved here are Leo through Aquarius. <wrap hide>377|00:51:13|830|00:51:15|130</wrap>Leo through Aquarius. <wrap hide>378|00:51:16|510|00:51:25|350</wrap>So interestingly enough, Leo is the sign where individualisation importantly occurs, <wrap hide>379|00:51:26|170|00:51:32|610</wrap>the creating of a central focus, and Aquarius is a final sign of the distribution, <wrap hide>380|00:51:32|830|00:51:37|810</wrap>the wide universalisation or distribution of that which has been individualised. <wrap hide>381|00:51:38|110|00:51:44|490</wrap>It finds its place within the group, ruled by Aquarius. <wrap hide>382|00:51:45|070|00:51:49|250</wrap>So they have intermediary work, they have intermediary work. <wrap hide>383|00:51:49|350|00:51:52|750</wrap>We're not going to have time to say too much about it. <wrap hide>384|00:51:52|750|00:51:55|890</wrap><wrap quote>Their intermediary work</wrap> is <wrap quote>therefore</wrap> dual. <wrap hide>385|00:51:56|790|00:51:57|330</wrap>Let's see. <wrap hide>386|00:51:58|090|00:52:03|010</wrap>They are mediators between spirit and matter. <wrap hide>387|00:52:03|250|00:52:10|250</wrap>Now does that mean that the monads per se are the mediators because all the creative hierarchies are mediators, <wrap hide>388|00:52:10|450|00:52:14|270</wrap>or are we looking at the monads plus the form creating the being? <wrap hide>389|00:52:14|270|00:52:29|370</wrap>And do we look at spirit as related to life expression on the higher planes and matter as related to life expression on the cosmic physical plane? <wrap hide>390|00:52:29|890|00:52:33|310</wrap>In any case, they are mediators between the spirit and matter. <wrap hide>391|00:52:33|830|00:52:36|490</wrap>Certainly the solar angels are that. <wrap hide>392|00:52:36|970|00:52:38|390</wrap>Very definitely so. <wrap hide>393|00:52:38|890|00:52:43|310</wrap>They occupy that kind of function for man. <wrap hide>394|00:52:43|310|00:52:50|810</wrap>They stand between his monadic triadic nature and his material nature, <wrap hide>395|00:52:50|810|00:52:59|230</wrap>and maybe all of the hierarchies in some ways are mediating between that which for them is spirit <wrap hide>396|00:52:59|230|00:53:03|190</wrap>and that which is lower than them, than they are as matter. <wrap hide>397|00:53:04|550|00:53:12|270</wrap>And these hierarchies as well are transmitters of force from sources extraneous to the solar system <wrap hide>398|00:53:12|270|00:53:16|430</wrap>to forms within the solar system. <wrap hide>399|00:53:17|530|00:53:22|230</wrap>The creative hierarchies are actually building the forms within the solar system. <wrap hide>400|00:53:22|890|00:53:36|950</wrap>They are building these forms within the solar system and convey zodiacal energy to these forms. <wrap hide>401|00:53:36|950|00:53:50|050</wrap>Because the constellations of the zodiac are extraneous to the solar system. <wrap hide>402|00:53:51|130|00:53:57|850</wrap>And also there are ray energies coming from resources which these hierarchies receive. <wrap hide>403|00:53:57|850|00:54:04|350</wrap>I mean, you know, if a human being of the third initiation can already begin receiving from the Great Bear, <wrap hide>404|00:54:05|050|00:54:13|930</wrap>from Pleiades and Sirius, then certainly these higher hierarchies can be receiving from cosmic sources. <wrap hide>405|00:54:14|710|00:54:18|870</wrap>So they are mediating between spirit and matter in general, <wrap hide>406|00:54:19|750|00:54:27|130</wrap>though the question is: what is spirit and what is matter for any of these hierarchies? <wrap hide>407|00:54:27|130|00:54:34|170</wrap>I mean spirit for man, as far as we are concerned in his monadic nature, is still occurring on the cosmic physical plane. <wrap hide>408|00:54:36|290|00:54:43|010</wrap>But spirit for a solar angel, let us say, is probably on the cosmic astral plane. <wrap hide>409|00:54:43|190|00:54:50|570</wrap>Even though spirit is all equivalent, spirit is spirit, still the manifestation of the monad is still involved <wrap hide>410|00:54:51|130|00:54:54|490</wrap>with different kinds of substances. <wrap hide>411|00:54:55|950|00:55:01|890</wrap>Does substance exist on the cosmic astral plane? It has sometimes been asked. <wrap hide>412|00:55:02|350|00:55:05|330</wrap>D.K. says, "Does matter exist on the cosmic astral plane?" <wrap hide>413|00:55:06|270|00:55:16|790</wrap>But we have to say yes in a way, because notice that the third creative hierarchy is dealing with intelligent substance. <wrap hide>414|00:55:17|690|00:55:21|870</wrap>So that is substance on the cosmic astral plane. <wrap hide>415|00:55:21|870|00:55:28|230</wrap>As a matter of fact, what does it mean that all the cosmic planes may or may not be substantial? <wrap hide>416|00:55:28|370|00:55:32|230</wrap>That is probably way beyond our ability to grasp. <wrap hide>417|00:55:32|890|00:55:38|550</wrap>Can they be substantial without being particulate or made of units of matter? <wrap hide>418|00:55:38|610|00:55:45|770</wrap>Well, that often leads to another direction which it probably is not a good idea to pursue at this time. <wrap hide>419|00:55:47|450|00:55:55|370</wrap>Although in my book, "Infinitization of Selfhood," I think I made some wild pursuits of such subjects. <wrap hide>420|00:55:57|030|00:56:04|630</wrap><wrap quote>Each of these groups of beings is likewise septenary in nature, in terms of form at least, maybe ninefold in terms of consciousness. <wrap hide>421|00:56:05|430|00:56:11|630</wrap>And the forty-nine fires of Brahma are the lowest manifestation of their fiery nature. <wrap hide>1|00:00:12|160|00:00:19|540</wrap>Each group may also be regarded as fallen in the cosmic sense because involved in the building process, <wrap hide>423|00:56:17|990|00:56:24|590</wrap>or the occupiers of form of some degree of density or another</wrap> on the cosmic physical plane. <wrap hide>424|00:56:25|310|00:56:26|310</wrap>On the cosmic physical plane. <wrap hide>425|00:56:26|430|00:56:38|910</wrap>Well, to tell you what, we are at the point now where we have to end our Esoteric Astrology Adventure Number S<wrap quote>even</wrap>teen. <wrap hide>426|00:56:39|850|00:56:46|870</wrap><wrap quote>And</wrap> so this is the end of EAA Seventeen; we've made it to page thirty-eight. <wrap hide>427|00:56:48|310|00:56:57|030</wrap>Well, I have to say maybe the tortoise will win the race. This is the twenty-ninth of June, 2011. <wrap hide>428|00:56:57|990|00:57:05|310</wrap>And now together we will use and say The Great Invocation. <wrap hide>429|00:57:06|670|00:57:08|470</wrap>Well, all they have to do is find it, right? <wrap hide>430|00:57:09|630|00:57:18|830</wrap>Right, so we'll just say, "From the point of light," light, and that should give it to us. <wrap hide>431|00:57:19|650|00:57:20|990</wrap>No, it doesn't. <wrap hide>432|00:57:22|270|00:57:23|550</wrap>We'll do it a different way. <wrap hide>433|00:57:24|590|00:57:25|890</wrap>We'll do it a different way. <wrap hide>434|00:57:31|250|00:57:33|130</wrap>Alright, that'll do it. <wrap hide>435|00:57:33|780|00:57:40|550</wrap>And we together use the great mantrum of light and power, <wrap hide>436|00:57:42|110|00:57:49|010</wrap>which is our greatest instrument for contributing to the reappearance of the Christ. <wrap hide>437|00:57:55|430|00:57:56|290</wrap>Om. <wrap hide>438|00:57:57|610|00:57:58|370</wrap>Om. <wrap hide>439|00:58:00|490|00:58:10|490</wrap>From the point of light within the mind of God, let light stream forth into the minds of men. Let light descend on earth. <wrap hide>440|00:58:13|350|00:58:23|590</wrap>From the point of love within the heart of God, let love stream forth into the hearts of men. May Christ return to earth. <wrap hide>441|00:58:25|730|00:58:36|290</wrap>From the center where the will of God is known, let purpose guide the little wills of men—the purpose which the masters know and serve. <wrap hide>442|00:58:38|190|00:58:48|590</wrap>From the center which we call the race of men, let the plan of love and light work out, and may it seal the door where evil dwells. <wrap hide>443|00:58:49|590|00:58:55|170</wrap>Let light and love and power restore the plan on earth. <wrap hide>444|00:59:02|330|00:59:03|730</wrap>Om. <wrap hide>445|00:59:10|330|00:59:11|730</wrap>Om. <wrap hide>446|00:59:40|290|00:59:41|690</wrap>Om. <wrap hide>447|00:59:41|690|00:59:44|010</wrap>That's the Astrology Adventure number 18. <wrap hide>448|00:59:45|870|00:59:49|390</wrap>At the earliest time that I can bring it to us. <wrap hide>449|00:59:50|530|00:59:52|790</wrap>And for now, farewell.+<wrap hide>1|00:00:12|160|00:00:19|540</wrap>Hi everybody! We are dealing now with Esoteric Astrology Adventure number 17. <wrap hide>2|00:00:19|540|00:00:29|040</wrap>We have been working on the creative hierarchies, a profound subject, difficult subject, <wrap hide>3|00:00:29|840|00:00:34|600</wrap>and perhaps we will only be skimming the surface in a way, but we'll do the best we can. <wrap hide>4|00:00:35|680|00:00:46|620</wrap>We worked as far as page 36. I've been trying to list the pages really in our last webinar. <wrap hide>5|00:00:46|620|00:00:53|400</wrap>We discussed only pages 34 and 35, the two creative hierarchy tabulations, and a little bit of 36. <wrap hide>6|00:00:54|120|00:00:58|080</wrap>We began with some statements about the creative hierarchies. <wrap hide>7|00:00:59|480|00:01:07|320</wrap>That's where we were ending, rather. These are hierarchies of creative powers, and they are monadic hierarchies. <wrap hide>8|00:01:07|700|00:01:13|920</wrap>There are three hierarchies which are of profound significance, at least to our planet, and I believe in this solar system. <wrap hide>9|00:01:14|740|00:01:20|000</wrap>And they are hierarchies 4, 5, and 6 in order. <wrap hide>10|00:01:21|080|00:01:31|360</wrap>The hierarchy of human monads, the solar angels, and the lower part of the hierarchy, as well as the hierarchy of lunar lords. <wrap hide>11|00:01:31|760|00:01:37|000</wrap>So somehow we are attempting to relate the Sun and the Moon. <wrap hide>12|00:01:38|940|00:01:42|500</wrap>Capricorn hierarchy number 5 is in a way a solar hierarchy. <wrap hide>13|00:01:43|840|00:01:49|760</wrap>It has to do with the solar angels, but it does have a lunar aspect to it, apparently, <wrap hide>14|00:01:50|440|00:01:55|460</wrap>in its lower part, symbolized by the 5-pointed star pointing downward. <wrap hide>15|00:01:56|480|00:02:01|800</wrap>Then we also discussed the idea that the fourth creative hierarchy is in reality the ninth. <wrap hide>16|00:02:01|800|00:02:12|760</wrap>The Hierarchy of Initiates and nine initiations lie before the member of the human creative hierarchy, the fourth creative hierarchy. <wrap hide>17|00:02:13|500|00:02:22|460</wrap>Perhaps of every hierarchy, it could be said that there are seven stages of form, <wrap hide>18|00:02:23|180|00:02:29|140</wrap>and nine stages of consciousness represented by the nine initiations. <wrap hide>19|00:02:29|140|00:02:33|880</wrap>We now are moving on to point number 4. <wrap quote><wrap hide>20|00:02:35|100|00:02:41|880</wrap>4. We are told in //A Treatise on Cosmic Fire// that in the ninth, tenth and eleventh Hierarchies <wrap hide>21|00:02:42|020|00:02:48|840</wrap>(counting from the bottom upwards) lies the clue to the nature of Agni, the Lord of Fire, <wrap hide>22|00:02:49|640|00:02:53|540</wrap>the sum total of systemic vitality.</wrap> <wrap hide>23|00:02:54|320|00:03:00|860</wrap>Agni is in a way the personality nature of the solar Logos. <wrap hide>24|00:03:02|200|00:03:08|620</wrap>It has been said as well that Agni is prominent on our cosmic physical plane, <wrap hide>25|00:03:09|500|00:03:18|760</wrap>on the monadic, atmic, and buddhic planes, but now the clue to the nature of Agni is being taken still higher. <wrap hide>26|00:03:20|280|00:03:22|740</wrap>And let us see here. <wrap hide>27|00:03:24|000|00:03:29|680</wrap>What did he say? The 9th, 10th, and 11th give us the clue to the nature of Agni. <wrap hide>28|00:03:30|640|00:03:36|100</wrap>The 9th, 10th, and 11th hierarchies, counting from the bottom upward, <wrap hide>29|00:03:36|420|00:03:43|520</wrap>lies the clue to the nature of Agni, the Lord of Fire, the sum total of systemic vitality. <wrap hide>30|00:03:43|520|00:03:57|540</wrap>Agni is probably even more than that because Agni is related to the astral body and lower mental body as well <wrap hide>31|00:03:57|880|00:04:05|600</wrap>of the solar Logos, but systemic vitality is the animating energy of the entire cosmic physical plane, <wrap hide>32|00:04:05|760|00:04:07|340</wrap>and Agni apparently gives us that. <wrap hide>33|00:04:07|340|00:04:14|080</wrap>So interestingly we are dealing with the hierarchies that start with Aries, Taurus, and Gemini, <wrap hide>34|00:04:15|140|00:04:19|880</wrap>and these are in a way abstract signs, the first three signs, <wrap hide>35|00:04:20|300|00:04:28|920</wrap>and apparently are the originating power of Agni as it finds its expression on the cosmic physical plane. <wrap hide>36|00:04:28|920|00:04:35|300</wrap>As I said, Agni being the personality nature of the solar Logos, <wrap hide>37|00:04:35|440|00:04:40|840</wrap>it obviously has expressions on still higher cosmic planes. <wrap hide>38|00:04:42|420|00:04:50|420</wrap>It fits very well, the idea of Agni fitting with Aries is a close fit, <wrap hide>39|00:04:51|360|00:04:57|880</wrap>and Aries the primary fire sign, the major first-ray sign, <wrap hide>40|00:04:57|880|00:05:05|840</wrap>it seems appropriate to begin with the Lord of Fire on the fourth level or sub-plane of the cosmic astral plane. <wrap hide>41|00:05:06|220|00:05:19|380</wrap>Many things are said about Agni, sometimes we would think it would be confined simply to the mental plane of the cosmic physical plane. <wrap hide>42|00:05:19|900|00:05:27|500</wrap>Sometimes these three planes, monadic, spiritual, and intuitive, are considered to be expressions of Agni. <wrap hide>43|00:05:27|500|00:05:32|660</wrap>Or perhaps, including even the Logoic plane, the sea of fire, that would make sense. <wrap hide>44|00:05:33|520|00:05:43|440</wrap>But if we look at still higher planes, we will find that Agni is operative on all these 18 cosmic sub-planes, <wrap hide>45|00:05:43|940|00:05:51|960</wrap>and maybe in a certain sense Agni has power on the higher cosmic mental plane. <wrap hide>46|00:05:51|960|00:05:58|720</wrap>All of this has to be sorted out. There are different expressions of Agni, the Lord of Fire. <wrap hide>47|00:05:59|980|00:06:10|680</wrap>Agni in some ways is equivalent to Brahma, but in some ways still more, and connected with solar fire and electric fire. <wrap hide>48|00:06:11|680|00:06:25|500</wrap>OK, so the sum total of systemic vitality will be related to the hierarchies ruled by the signs Aries, Taurus, and Gemini. <wrap hide>49|00:06:26|280|00:06:33|140</wrap>Creative hierarchies ruled by the signs Aries, Taurus, and Gemini. <wrap hide>50|00:06:34|080|00:06:38|260</wrap>OK, then point number five. <wrap hide>51|00:06:42|180|00:06:49|000</wrap><wrap quote>5. Much light can come to the earnest student through a study of the numbers connected with these Hierarchies.</wrap> <wrap hide>52|00:06:49|000|00:07:04|700</wrap>Well, OK, we have been emphasizing that fact exactly: that if we use the power of Mercury and of pure reason to relate hierarchies, <wrap hide>53|00:07:05|360|00:07:14|340</wrap>or parts of Hierarchies with similar numbers, lines of illumination can appear between these Hierarchies, <wrap hide>54|00:07:14|340|00:07:18|080</wrap>revealing the relationship between their nature and function. <wrap hide>55|00:07:19|260|00:07:23|660</wrap><wrap quote>a. The first 5 are regarded as pure abstractions.</wrap> <wrap hide>56|00:07:23|740|00:07:41|820</wrap>Although the fifth Creative Hierarchy is focused on the highest of the cosmic etheric planes, on the cosmic physical plane. <wrap hide>57|00:07:41|820|00:07:48|980</wrap>So whether it is entirely a pure abstraction yet, or is heading in the direction of becoming a pure abstraction, <wrap hide>58|00:07:50|640|00:07:55|020</wrap>this is something we can look into with greater care. <wrap hide>59|00:07:56|780|00:07:59|920</wrap><wrap quote>b. Hierarchy One has the numbers—6.1.7.</wrap> <wrap hide>60|00:08:00|100|00:08:08|560</wrap>Well, you know, let's just show this, because after all, we've been seeing this. <wrap hide>61|00:08:08|560|00:08:12|060</wrap>Hierarchy One has the numbers six, one, and seven. <wrap hide>62|00:08:12|220|00:08:15|080</wrap>Yes, sure enough, and a picture is worth a thousand words. <wrap hide>63|00:08:16|700|00:08:22|880</wrap><wrap quote>Hierarchy Two has the numbers—7.2.6.</wrap> <wrap hide>64|00:08:24|700|00:08:25|620</wrap>There they are. <wrap hide>65|00:08:26|440|00:08:33|880</wrap><wrap quote>Hierarchy Three</wrap> I suppose it goes on to that, has the numbers eight, three, and five. <wrap hide>66|00:08:35|260|00:08:38|200</wrap>Here they are: <wrap quote>has the numbers—8.3.5.</wrap> <wrap hide>67|00:08:38|880|00:08:41|800</wrap>Obviously a very intellectual hierarchy. <wrap hide>68|00:08:42|480|00:08:48|880</wrap>Every one of these numbers can also stand for a kind of ray presence. <wrap hide>69|00:08:49|700|00:08:55|300</wrap>For instance, you know, if we're looking at the hierarchy of monads, <wrap hide>70|00:08:56|020|00:09:00|860</wrap>what we find here is a number six, as well as a number seven. <wrap hide>71|00:09:00|860|00:09:06|700</wrap>Well, the monads are lords of ceaseless and persevering devotion. <wrap hide>72|00:09:06|840|00:09:07|920</wrap>There's your number six. <wrap hide>73|00:09:08|860|00:09:16|740</wrap>And their point is to put in a material manifestation on the very lowest plane <wrap hide>74|00:09:16|740|00:09:24|260</wrap>and manifest the monadic nature redemptively on even the very lowest or the seventh plane. <wrap hide>75|00:09:24|260|00:09:35|740</wrap>As far as ray number two goes, they create great formative sounds, <wrap hide>76|00:09:36|740|00:09:46|520</wrap>which are seven great sound geometries which are archetypally related to all lesser forms. <wrap hide>77|00:09:47|420|00:09:58|480</wrap>So the seven great wheels on the monadic plane have to be related to hierarchy number two <wrap hide>78|00:09:58|480|00:10:01|400</wrap>or number seven, depending on how we look at it. <wrap hide>79|00:10:01|740|00:10:05|540</wrap>And if you want to think about it, these numbers are very significant because <wrap hide>80|00:10:06|540|00:10:13|100</wrap>we have Jupiter as the ruler of this hierarchy. <wrap hide>81|00:10:13|940|00:10:17|540</wrap>Jupiter and Virgo. Virgo is the sixth sign. Take a look at that. <wrap hide>82|00:10:18|060|00:10:27|920</wrap>Virgo is the sixth sign, and Jupiter, its hierarchical ruler, expresses principally rays two and rays seven <wrap hide>83|00:10:27|920|00:10:30|840</wrap>because Jupiter is a ceremonial planet. <wrap hide>84|00:10:31|560|00:10:40|860</wrap>So somehow all of these numbers are fitting together and showing intimate, reasonable relationships. <wrap hide>85|00:10:42|680|00:10:50|560</wrap>Hierarchy number four has the numbers nine, four, four. That is the human Creative Hierarchy. <wrap hide>86|00:10:52|960|00:10:56|340</wrap>Let's see. Okay. We're looking at that. <wrap hide>87|00:10:56|780|00:11:00|060</wrap>And here it is: <wrap quote>Hierarchy Four has the numbers—9.4.4.</wrap> <wrap hide>88|00:11:00|180|00:11:03|600</wrap>And then we're going to see ten, five, and three for the next one. <wrap hide>89|00:11:03|840|00:11:08|040</wrap><wrap quote>Hierarchy Five has the numbers—10.5.3.</wrap> also intellectual and will numbers. <wrap hide>90|00:11:08|040|00:11:12|880</wrap>But the number one or ten has to do with identity. <wrap hide>91|00:11:13|680|00:11:20|420</wrap>And it is here that self-consciousness in a somewhat limited sense is created. <wrap hide>92|00:11:20|520|00:11:21|780</wrap>So that fits with the ten. <wrap hide>93|00:11:22|720|00:11:31|560</wrap>And the five, of course, with the fifth plane and with the idea that these solar Angels are great lords of manus <wrap hide>94|00:11:31|560|00:11:38|000</wrap>and intelligent to conceal, but it will also confuse the student. <wrap quote>It is necessary to take note of this as in //The Secret Doctrine// reference will be found to the Hierarchies under different numbers. This serves to conceal, but it will also confuse the student.</wrap> <wrap hide>95|00:11:38|700|00:11:45|100</wrap>So D.K. in this case is trying for us not to fall into a false blind. <wrap hide>96|00:11:46|080|00:11:52|650</wrap>If he needs to blind a particular subject, he does so, but he doesn't want to induce confusion <wrap hide>97|00:11:53|120|00:12:00|260</wrap>or at least he wants to alert us to different numerical systems, numbering systems, which could confuse us. <wrap hide>98|00:12:00|260|00:12:06|320</wrap><wrap quote>6. The first four Hierarchies achieved liberation in the first solar system.</wrap> <wrap hide>99|00:12:06|420|00:12:12|160</wrap>Well, was it really the first solar system? It was the first major solar system. <wrap hide>100|00:12:13|200|00:12:19|800</wrap>In other words, D.K. tells us there have been five solar systems and we are in the second major solar system. <wrap hide>101|00:12:19|920|00:12:22|380</wrap>The previous one was the first major. <wrap hide>102|00:12:22|380|00:12:29|540</wrap>It probably was given very much the development of the personality nature of the solar Logos <wrap hide>103|00:12:29|540|00:12:38|600</wrap>and personality, we realize, takes its origin from the plane of mind. <wrap hide>104|00:12:38|960|00:12:44|760</wrap>So the idea that it was an intellectual system but also a personal system makes a lot of sense. <wrap hide>105|00:12:44|760|00:12:54|120</wrap>And we are in the soul system in which initiations are being taken by our solar Logos <wrap hide>106|00:12:54|120|00:13:03|660</wrap>because he's coming under the influence of his own great solar angel on the higher cosmic mental plane. <wrap hide>107|00:13:05|440|00:13:09|500</wrap>So the first four Hierarchies achieved liberation in the first solar system. <wrap hide>108|00:13:09|500|00:13:19|380</wrap>What is liberation? Perhaps liberation is the freedom from the cosmic physical plane. <wrap hide>109|00:13:20|000|00:13:29|920</wrap>Normally when we talk about liberation, we talk about achieving freedom from the lower three worlds, <wrap hide>110|00:13:30|100|00:13:36|820</wrap>or especially from the eighteen lower sub-planes, but really our liberation concerns the fourth initiation <wrap hide>111|00:13:36|820|00:13:41|720</wrap>and liberation then from the dense physical body of the solar Logos. <wrap hide>112|00:13:42|320|00:13:52|800</wrap>I think liberation for these other Hierarchies looks like liberation from the cosmic etheric physical plane, <wrap hide>113|00:13:53|920|00:14:03|760</wrap>liberation from the solar system, the solar systemic expression of the solar Logos. <wrap hide>114|00:14:03|760|00:14:10|720</wrap>He's still very much active within the body, astral body of the solar Logos, but not within his system per se. <wrap hide>115|00:14:11|560|00:14:18|980</wrap><wrap quote>Their influence reached our Earth through the medium of the fifth Creative Hierarchy.</wrap> <wrap hide>116|00:14:19|160|00:14:26|140</wrap>Now is that a past tense, reached, or is it, or is it reaches? <wrap hide>117|00:14:27|780|00:14:29|980</wrap>We'll have to check a book on that. <wrap hide>118|00:14:29|980|00:14:41|640</wrap>Sometimes there are typos in this A.A.B. CD-ROM and they occur in strange places. <wrap hide>119|00:14:42|300|00:14:45|800</wrap>They still do have influence; they are liberated, <wrap hide>120|00:14:46|380|00:14:52|620</wrap>but remember that the fifth Creative Hierarchy is partially unmanifested, partially liberated apparently, <wrap hide>121|00:14:52|620|00:15:02|460</wrap>and so has its place of focus on the highest of the cosmic etheric planes, i.e. the Logoic plane, <wrap hide>122|00:15:02|580|00:15:14|860</wrap>and there is a way thereby where it can bring into the cosmic ethers that part of cosmic desire which the first four hierarchies represent. <wrap hide>123|00:15:16|080|00:15:18|860</wrap>Now we're on page thirty-seven; boy, are we making progress! <wrap hide>124|00:15:19|860|00:15:32|960</wrap><wrap quote>7. These are, therefore, related to the four rays which work as minor rays of Attribute under the great major third Ray of Active Intelligence.</wrap> <wrap hide>125|00:15:34|060|00:15:48|080</wrap>So I think he's talking about all five of the liberated, or almost liberated Creative Hierarchies. <wrap hide>126|00:15:48|080|00:15:59|880</wrap>These, because we do have the first of the liberated Creative Hierarchies being ruled by the great third ray of active intelligence. <wrap hide>127|00:16:01|600|00:16:13|600</wrap>Associating Pisces with active intelligence—well, Pisces is the ocean of matter, and matter is ruled by the intelligence aspect. <wrap hide>128|00:16:13|600|00:16:29|400</wrap>So I think a great deal of what goes on within the substance of the cosmic physical plane is directed from this first Creative Hierarchy, <wrap hide>129|00:16:30|480|00:16:35|640</wrap>the first unmanifested Creative Hierarchy. The ray is ray three, <wrap hide>130|00:16:35|640|00:16:44|720</wrap>and one of the keynotes on the clockwise wheel for Pisces is "go forth into matter." <wrap hide>131|00:16:45|320|00:16:50|200</wrap>So the connection of matter-substance with Pisces is very strong, <wrap hide>132|00:16:50|480|00:16:58|080</wrap>and probably also the passivity of matter is related to the passivity of Pisces. <wrap hide>133|00:16:58|080|00:17:13|620</wrap>Perhaps this great third ray working through the first of the Creative Hierarchies is related to the substance of the previous solar system, <wrap hide>134|00:17:13|780|00:17:25|080</wrap>which is ruled by the third ray, not the second, and therefore this Hierarchy is related to that which occurs within the dense physical body of the solar Logos, <wrap hide>135|00:17:25|080|00:17:28|460</wrap>which is inherited from his previous solar system. <wrap hide>136|00:17:29|620|00:17:41|140</wrap>So we're talking about the third, fourth, fifth, and sixth rays in relation to these liberated, or in one case almost liberated, Hierarchy. <wrap hide>137|00:17:42|480|00:17:46|440</wrap>Pisces—okay, well this becomes interesting. <wrap hide>138|00:17:47|760|00:17:59|420</wrap><wrap quote>8. Pisces is seen at the head of the list of zodiacal signs because it is governing the present great astrological world cycle of 25,000 years.</wrap> <wrap hide>139|00:17:59|420|00:18:15|460</wrap>soon to end, but at a time which cannot be determined by human astrological science, D.K. tells us. <wrap hide>140|00:18:15|460|00:18:25|960</wrap>And then you kind of wonder whether we would move up within the Creative Hierarchies so that Aquarius, <wrap hide>141|00:18:26|420|00:18:36|520</wrap>which is destined to govern the next 25,000-year cycle, would head twelve Creative Hierarchies. <wrap hide>142|00:18:36|520|00:18:43|520</wrap>And we wonder what would happen to the lowest of the Creative Hierarchies, <wrap hide>143|00:18:45|060|00:18:59|880</wrap>whether there would be an etherealization of matter in our solar system in such a way that the very lowest aspects of matter would disappear, <wrap hide>144|00:19:01|320|00:19:09|360</wrap>although it does seem to me that the etheric nature of our solar system will not disappear, <wrap hide>145|00:19:10|160|00:19:17|340</wrap>and probably that etheric nature will still be active in the next solar system. <wrap hide>146|00:19:17|640|00:19:25|160</wrap>It doesn't seem quite reasonable that the astral plane will be the lowest plane in the next solar system. <wrap hide>147|00:19:25|820|00:19:34|780</wrap>Could be, but I think something of the etheric physical nature will be transferred over into that system, <wrap hide>148|00:19:34|820|00:19:43|100</wrap>especially since it will be ruled by Ray 1, and Ray 1 has to have a lower correspondence in the etheric physical nature, <wrap hide>149|00:19:43|200|00:19:45|220</wrap>at least in the etheric part of it. <wrap hide>150|00:19:46|100|00:19:53|980</wrap>In any case, it's very interesting that it heads the list—the Pisces hierarchy heads the list—because it's presently active. <wrap hide>151|00:19:54|980|00:20:09|660</wrap>We are almost, however, at the end of that great age, and the implications from D.K. is that the 25,000-year Aquarian cycle will begin rather soon, <wrap hide>152|00:20:09|700|00:20:18|100</wrap>and I think before we leave the 2,500-year Aquarian cycle, <wrap hide>153|00:20:18|960|00:20:25|560</wrap>which we know, according to one of the D.K. letters, is beginning in the year 2117, <wrap hide>154|00:20:26|200|00:20:34|680</wrap>at which point the vernal equinox will reach the 30th degree of Aquarius, however that may be measured. <wrap hide>155|00:20:35|680|00:20:45|160</wrap>Okay, so, Pisces is still important, and even though we may fade out of the age of Pisces, <wrap hide>156|00:20:45|380|00:20:52|880</wrap>and its influence may entirely disappear in the 21st century, as D.K. tells us, <wrap hide>157|00:20:53|400|00:21:02|220</wrap>the 6th Ray influence disappearing a bit later, perhaps by the year 2130 or somewhere there, <wrap hide>158|00:21:02|220|00:21:14|440</wrap>that even though that Piscean influence may disappear, there may be a bit of a hangover of the Pisces influence for some hundreds of years later, <wrap hide>159|00:21:14|440|00:21:19|480</wrap>due to the fact that the 25,000 year Pisces cycle may not have expired. <wrap hide>160|00:21:19|480|00:21:33|620</wrap>But certainly we are in the 5,000 year overlap period between the two great Platonic ages of Pisces and Aquarius. <wrap hide>161|00:21:34|440|00:21:41|580</wrap>So this is a time of real mixture of energies and contention of energies between these two streams. <wrap hide>162|00:21:41|580|00:21:52|020</wrap>We can feel it on the lesser 2,500 year cycle, as Pisces contends with the emerging Aquarius, <wrap hide>163|00:21:52|180|00:21:59|280</wrap>perhaps ever since the time of Sir Francis Bacon, who was the archetypal Aquarian, <wrap hide>164|00:22:00|320|00:22:08|040</wrap>as Master R, and had in his horoscope an Aquarius sun, an Aquarius ascendant, and Mercury rising in Aquarius. <wrap hide>165|00:22:08|040|00:22:21|700</wrap>Very Aquarian, but we can feel it also in a much vaster sense, that 5,000 year period beginning when... <wrap hide>166|00:22:22|680|00:22:28|840</wrap>Could it have been at the death of Krishna, at the beginning of one of the Kali Yugas? <wrap hide>167|00:22:28|840|00:22:35|260</wrap>Could it have been almost 5,000 years ago, just about 5,000 years ago, <wrap hide>168|00:22:35|680|00:22:44|960</wrap>when the Buddha, a great savior, took over the head of the spiritual hierarchy in that year, <wrap hide>169|00:22:45|740|00:22:49|880</wrap>approximately the year 3000 BC? Could it have been then, or a little later? <wrap hide>170|00:22:52|860|00:23:03|520</wrap>Our science cannot determine it, but the implication is that we are not far from the beginning of that 25,000 year Aquarian cycle, <wrap hide>171|00:23:03|700|00:23:14|280</wrap>which, as I said, I believe, will occur during the 2,500 year impending Aquarian cycle, though I cannot prove it. <wrap hide>172|00:23:14|280|00:23:24|460</wrap>That's another line of research, and I would have to have the Tibetan's words in front of me in order to reason with fair accuracy about it. <wrap hide>173|00:23:26|460|00:23:34|220</wrap>This Pisces, <wrap quote>It was also one of the dominant signs, influencing our planet at the time of individualisation <wrap hide>174|00:23:34|220|00:23:47|380</wrap>when the human kingdom came into being.</wrap> Now, usually, you hear of Leo, Gemini, Sagittarius, etc., as being dominant, <wrap hide>175|00:23:48|140|00:23:57|440</wrap>but Pisces may have given a great impressionability, and the saviors, who are the solar Angels, <wrap hide>176|00:23:57|440|00:24:10|300</wrap>may have been able to enter more powerfully when a saving sign Pisces, and a second-ray sign at that, was in potency. <wrap hide>177|00:24:10|440|00:24:20|460</wrap>So we'll just have to accept what D.K. says here: it was one of the dominant signs, although this is not usually discussed in other contexts. <wrap hide>178|00:24:21|080|00:24:30|120</wrap><wrap quote>It is basically related to the first or highest Creative Hierarchy</wrap> Now is it really...that's the question. Can you extend these Creative Hierarchies? <wrap hide>179|00:24:30|220|00:24:40|040</wrap>It would seem to me that you would have to, but I think we're talking here about our solar system at our present level of development, <wrap hide>180|00:24:40|040|00:24:51|520</wrap>so it's the highest, first or highest Creative Hierarchy which D.K. mentions, but the probability of going beyond it on Jacob's ladder of universal development, <wrap hide>181|00:24:52|000|00:25:07|140</wrap>I would say, is very good, though probably speculation doesn't do much for us, except that we are able to extrapolate using rays and signs, <wrap hide>182|00:25:07|140|00:25:11|640</wrap>as we speculate about what these higher Creative Hierarchies might be. <wrap hide>183|00:25:12|460|00:25:18|860</wrap><wrap quote>It is basically related to the first or highest Creative Hierarchy which is, in its turn, related to the third Ray of Active Intelligence.</wrap> <wrap hide>184|00:25:18|940|00:25:34|700</wrap>This we have been discussing. <wrap quote>It was the product of the first solar system.</wrap> so it emerged as it is due to development within the first solar system. <wrap hide>185|00:25:35|640|00:25:43|380</wrap>He calls it the first solar system, but we have to remember it's the first of the major solar systems. <wrap hide>186|00:25:43|540|00:25:54|000</wrap><wrap quote>The development of illumination through an awakened intelligence is the first goal of humanity.</wrap> and this is the hierarchy which has priority. <wrap hide>187|00:25:54|640|00:26:06|940</wrap>Let us see here what illumination has to do with the picture, because illumination, I think, is very connected with the Taurus hierarchy, <wrap hide>188|00:26:06|940|00:26:20|360</wrap>but definitely on the third subplane of the cosmic astral plane, the factor of intelligence and illumination will be strong because it's such a mental position, <wrap hide>189|00:26:21|340|00:26:28|480</wrap>and intelligence is found all the way through in terms of the rays that are ruling. <wrap hide>190|00:26:29|720|00:26:39|800</wrap>So we achieve illumination by sensitivity to the higher energies which are expressing already in the world of light, <wrap hide>191|00:26:40|700|00:26:46|540</wrap>and Pisces gives us the sensitivity to those higher dimensions. <wrap hide>192|00:26:46|540|00:27:00|820</wrap>Pisces gives sensitivity to the dimensions wherein illumination already exists. <wrap hide>193|00:27:02|460|00:27:15|600</wrap>All right, well you see, we can maybe say a few things, but there is extraordinary depth to what D.K. is talking about. <wrap hide>194|00:27:15|600|00:27:28|060</wrap>Obviously, we as monads that are in the manifesting Creative Hierarchies are not really to be considered products of the first solar system. <wrap hide>195|00:27:29|040|00:27:43|440</wrap>Here we would have to say that these liberated lives achieved individualization in the first solar system. <wrap hide>196|00:27:43|440|00:27:58|300</wrap>But then, think of it: even some human beings who are the nomads wandering on the third and fourth ray into our solar system <wrap hide>197|00:27:58|300|00:28:05|280</wrap>achieved individualization and some degree of self-conscious development in the first solar system. <wrap hide>198|00:28:06|160|00:28:13|580</wrap>So the question of what it means by "the product of"—it could be individualization, could be that— <wrap hide>199|00:28:14|460|00:28:22|840</wrap>certainly if the solar Angels were men in the first solar system, first major solar system, they achieved individualization there. <wrap hide>200|00:28:23|760|00:28:30|860</wrap>The question is, did these higher hierarchies also achieve individualization there or possibly in earlier solar systems? <wrap hide>201|00:28:31|620|00:28:36|080</wrap>All right, let's move on here to what D.K. continues to say. <wrap hide>202|00:28:37|400|00:28:43|660</wrap><wrap quote>9. The fifth Creative Hierarchy (also numbered 8) is on the verge of liberation.</wrap> <wrap hide>203|00:28:44|060|00:28:49|540</wrap>This we have been discussing. <wrap quote>It is peculiarly connected with the tenth Creative Hierarchy,</wrap> <wrap hide>204|00:28:49|920|00:28:54|870</wrap>which is the fifth of the manifested Hierarchies, and <wrap quote>with the constellation Capricorn <wrap hide>205|00:28:54|870|00:29:07|030</wrap>and with the human personality which veils and temporarily hides the Christ principle behind both form and mind.</wrap> <wrap hide>206|00:29:08|090|00:29:23|870</wrap>Well, think about this. The sign Cancer, which is veiling the Christ, is very much connected with the lunar vehicles of man, <wrap hide>207|00:29:23|870|00:29:28|770</wrap>which these lunar vehicles comprise his personality. <wrap hide>208|00:29:29|930|00:29:33|930</wrap>The sign Capricorn usually gives liberation from that personality, <wrap hide>209|00:29:33|950|00:29:46|890</wrap>but at the same time there is a certain density of this sign, Capricorn, which leads to the sense of separative personality. <wrap hide>210|00:29:46|890|00:29:54|650</wrap>The principle of separation can be very strong in the lower type of Capricorn because it rules concretion, <wrap hide>211|00:29:54|890|00:30:04|810</wrap>and when you have concretion you don't have that flow between a unit through a subtle membrane connecting it to other units. <wrap hide>212|00:30:04|950|00:30:08|750</wrap>You have isolation, solidification, concretion. <wrap hide>213|00:30:09|750|00:30:19|250</wrap>So, I also explained that the fifth almost-liberated hierarchy is ruled by Neptune, <wrap hide>214|00:30:20|370|00:30:29|390</wrap>and the fifth or tenth hierarchy, which is manifested, is ruled by Venus, and Neptune is the higher octave. <wrap hide>215|00:30:30|150|00:30:40|090</wrap>So, this human personality is very much involved with the Capricorn-Cancer, Capricorn polarity, <wrap hide>216|00:30:40|990|00:30:58|790</wrap>and I'm trying to think about—yeah, that picture tabulation in Esoteric Psychology, Esoteric Astrology, page 50— <wrap hide>217|00:30:58|790|00:31:07|630</wrap>and we see that the Cancer-Capricorn is mediated through Saturn, <wrap hide>218|00:31:08|930|00:31:14|910</wrap>and is bringing the energies of Sirius, which are providing the solar angels, <wrap hide>219|00:31:16|170|00:31:25|110</wrap>which make it possible for man to individualize and begin to develop his personality consciousness <wrap hide>220|00:31:25|110|00:31:31|890</wrap>based upon that consciousness developing around the spark of mind. <wrap hide>221|00:31:32|990|00:31:43|530</wrap>So, we do see here definitely a connection with individualization and the tenth Creative Hierarchy, <wrap hide>222|00:31:43|670|00:31:50|570</wrap>and with the constellations Cancer and Capricorn contributing to that sense of distinctness. <wrap hide>223|00:31:50|570|00:31:57|690</wrap><wrap quote>It is peculiarly connected with the tenth Creative Hierarchy, with the constellation Capricorn</wrap> the two gates, <wrap hide>224|00:31:58|970|00:32:07|430</wrap>Cancer-Capricorn, <wrap quote>and with the human personality which veils and temporarily hides</wrap> temporarily hides, <wrap quote>the Christ principle <wrap hide>225|00:32:07|430|00:32:15|090</wrap>behind both form and mind.</wrap> So, Capricorn and Cancer are giving us form and mind, <wrap hide>226|00:32:15|090|00:32:25|990</wrap>and the solar Angels have given us mind, so at least one part of this Hierarchy is related to the veil, <wrap hide>227|00:32:26|810|00:32:34|170</wrap>and another part to the liberating factor to the Christ principle which thins the veil <wrap hide>228|00:32:34|170|00:32:37|230</wrap>and brings about release from form and mind. <wrap hide>229|00:32:37|930|00:32:42|530</wrap><wrap quote>Eight is, under some numerical systems, regarded as the number of the Christ.</wrap> <wrap hide>230|00:32:42|530|00:32:47|550</wrap>It would be great to know what those numerical systems actually were. <wrap hide>231|00:32:52|130|00:33:07|410</wrap>Eight is also a number of the infernal forces, and is connected with an eighth sphere idea, <wrap hide>232|00:33:07|410|00:33:10|050</wrap>which can be described in different ways. <wrap hide>233|00:33:10|510|00:33:17|990</wrap>Blavatsky described it as a kind of a dustbin or a dust bowl into which all refuse was being swept <wrap hide>234|00:33:17|990|00:33:23|350</wrap>as this dustbin swept along behind the Earth. <wrap hide>235|00:33:23|870|00:33:32|350</wrap>I wonder how literal that really is, but it has an amazingly graphic presentation. <wrap hide>236|00:33:32|350|00:33:40|670</wrap>But from another perspective, it's about the eighth sphere, and the concrete mind which definitely hides <wrap hide>237|00:33:40|670|00:33:47|410</wrap>behind form and mind, the Christ principle, can be considered a kind of eighth sphere. <wrap hide>238|00:33:48|530|00:33:55|290</wrap>And the development of an independent eighth sphere, or the creation of a concrete mind of immense power <wrap hide>239|00:33:55|290|00:34:01|150</wrap>which is impervious to the liberating influence of the higher part of this fifth Creative Hierarchy, <wrap hide>240|00:34:01|150|00:34:07|830</wrap>is a great tragedy which can befall a human being as he veers off on the left-hand path. <wrap hide>241|00:34:07|830|00:34:10|510</wrap>and becomes a member of the Black Lodge. <wrap hide>242|00:34:10|710|00:34:15|370</wrap>So eight is a Christ number, yes, and will relate in that case to the Solar Angels, <wrap hide>243|00:34:15|370|00:34:24|290</wrap>but eight is also an infernal number and can relate to the dregs and to the lower part of Scorpio, <wrap hide>244|00:34:24|290|00:34:33|030</wrap>and to the concrete mind as the eighth sphere, blocking all possibility of passing along the Sirian line of initiation <wrap hide>245|00:34:33|030|00:34:39|850</wrap>and making contact with the eighth creative hierarchy of triads. <wrap hide>246|00:34:40|590|00:34:44|750</wrap>And as D.K. will tell us, the man refuses to become a Christ. <wrap hide>247|00:34:44|930|00:34:49|050</wrap>So we need to look at things. There's no number which is high or low. <wrap hide>248|00:34:50|110|00:34:56|170</wrap>The number of love, wisdom and unity in relationship, for instance, is also the number two, the number of duality. <wrap hide>249|00:34:56|310|00:34:58|850</wrap>We can look at it from high, from low. <wrap hide>250|00:34:59|010|00:35:09|450</wrap>The number of absolute identification, the number one, can be considered a number of complete unitary isolation and egoism <wrap hide>251|00:35:10|390|00:35:18|910</wrap>in which the man becomes untouchable, as is the case on the first ray and sometimes the fifth, D.K. tells us. <wrap hide>252|00:35:20|030|00:35:29|190</wrap>So we're going to do more with this fifth Creative Hierarchy because it is so pivotal to our development <wrap hide>253|00:35:31|450|00:35:39|970</wrap>as true human beings and eventually as angelic beings and eventually as Solar Angels. <wrap hide>254|00:35:40|970|00:35:48|130</wrap>We go on about The Greater Builder, Greater Builders and Lesser Builders, <wrap hide>255|00:35:48|190|00:35:54|310</wrap>remembering that we are not talking necessarily about unconscious builders, <wrap hide>256|00:35:55|730|00:36:03|210</wrap>or those who are self-conscious and therefore greater. We're talking about the builders who work according to the archetypes <wrap hide>257|00:36:03|210|00:36:09|850</wrap>found upon the cosmic etheric planes and who build in the cosmic ethers, <wrap hide>258|00:36:09|850|00:36:20|630</wrap>those forms which must precipitate as the plan-derived forms within the dense physical body of the Solar Logos. <wrap hide>259|00:36:21|250|00:36:27|630</wrap><wrap quote>10. The Greater Builders and the Lesser Builders,</wrap> of Hierarchy two and three, <wrap quote>working on the second and third planes of our solar system, <wrap hide>260|00:36:27|990|00:36:37|110</wrap>have their activities reflected in the work of the Lunar Lords and the elemental lives.</wrap> and let's see how that might work out. <wrap hide>261|00:36:39|850|00:36:49|250</wrap>Here are the Greater Builders and here are the Lesser Builders, and perhaps it works in this way, <wrap hide>262|00:36:50|210|00:36:53|950</wrap>that there is a kind of reflection which is a correspondence, not an inversion, <wrap hide>263|00:36:54|770|00:37:04|270</wrap>and the divine Builders will be connected. These Greater Builders connected with the Lunar Lords, <wrap hide>264|00:37:04|270|00:37:12|570</wrap>the number six and two correlating, those rays correlating, and the Lesser Builders who are within the body of Brahma, <wrap hide>265|00:37:13|430|00:37:19|950</wrap>cosmically considered, well, systemically considered, will be reflected in the elemental lives, <wrap hide>266|00:37:20|390|00:37:24|070</wrap>the basic material lives, because we have now entered the realm of matter. <wrap hide>267|00:37:24|950|00:37:29|970</wrap>This is still the realm of quality, divine Builders, reflected in the Lunar Lords. <wrap hide>268|00:37:29|970|00:37:36|390</wrap>But once we touch the Lesser Builders, we have entered our systemic Brahma. We're in the realm of matter, <wrap hide>269|00:37:36|730|00:37:42|750</wrap>and that is reflected in the lowest of the Creative Hierarchies, the elemental lives. <wrap hide>270|00:37:43|330|00:37:51|690</wrap>Even the Lunar Lords can be considered elementals, but the tiny elemental lives, these come in a different category, <wrap hide>271|00:37:51|690|00:38:00|230</wrap>and the vehicle of a Lunar Lord is comprised of many tiny elemental lives, <wrap hide>272|00:38:00|530|00:38:06|350</wrap>so we have to be cautious in the way the word "elemental" is used, <wrap hide>273|00:38:06|350|00:38:15|670</wrap>because sometimes it can mean quite a sizable vehicle: mental elemental, personality elemental, astral elemental, physical elemental, <wrap hide>274|00:38:15|670|00:38:22|250</wrap>but sometimes it can mean the tiniest of lives which are the constituents of matter. <wrap hide>275|00:38:23|070|00:38:32|630</wrap>Maybe the tiniest elemental life of all is found in a way in the matter of the Logoic plane, <wrap hide>276|00:38:32|930|00:38:40|430</wrap>and would be called in Leadbeater's terms a bubble, a bubble in the koilon. <wrap hide>277|00:38:41|410|00:38:44|730</wrap>Let's see where we are here. Well, okay, we're moving along. <wrap hide>278|00:38:46|410|00:38:51|650</wrap>So the Greater builders and the Lesser builders working on the second and third sub-planes of our solar system, <wrap hide>279|00:38:52|870|00:39:00|530</wrap>I suppose these are deva Hierarchies, although one type is the prototype of the monads, <wrap hide>280|00:39:00|870|00:39:09|130</wrap>so maybe this third Hierarchy, third manifesting Hierarchy, is a deva Hierarchy. I believe so, <wrap hide>281|00:39:09|130|00:39:17|450</wrap>but can we say the same of the Greater Builders on the monadic plane who are the prototypes of the monads, <wrap hide>282|00:39:17|590|00:39:18|730</wrap>the monads being man? <wrap hide>283|00:39:20|130|00:39:25|870</wrap>There's much yet to be clarified in this question of what is a deva Hierarchy <wrap hide>284|00:39:26|470|00:39:31|010</wrap>and what is a man-like Hierarchy. <wrap hide>285|00:39:32|630|00:39:37|050</wrap>So these are reflected in the work of the Lunar Lords and the elemental lives going on. <wrap hide>286|00:39:37|050|00:39:52|130</wrap><wrap quote>11. You will note that the human Hierarchy (on chart 9-IV-4)</wrap> that's the way it looks, it's chart 9-IV-4, <wrap hide>287|00:39:52|810|00:40:00|750</wrap>the human Hierarchy, not necessarily the human kingdom because there are many kingdoms in the same hierarchy. <wrap hide>288|00:40:00|750|00:40:08|350</wrap>You could even wonder from some perspectives whether the mineral, vegetable, animal kingdoms as well as the human <wrap hide>289|00:40:08|350|00:40:15|810</wrap>are found in the fourth creative hierarchy. Certainly the kingdom of souls is found there, <wrap hide>290|00:40:15|810|00:40:18|570</wrap>and maybe even the kingdom of planetary lives. <wrap hide>291|00:40:19|150|00:40:25|450</wrap>This is really a different way of looking at the kingdoms as if they all have, <wrap hide>292|00:40:25|450|00:40:36|690</wrap>are based upon a monadic focus on the monadic plane of the cosmic physical plane. <wrap hide>293|00:40:38|150|00:40:46|490</wrap><wrap quote>You will note that the human Hierarchy (on chart 9-IV-4) is assigned no particular element as it has to fuse and synthesise them all.</wrap> <wrap hide>294|00:40:46|610|00:40:50|750</wrap>So we are working with the four elements; we are working on the cross. <wrap hide>295|00:40:52|210|00:41:00|050</wrap>The four elements present to us one of our crosses, <wrap hide>296|00:41:01|390|00:41:11|310</wrap>and we can see that in any one of the astrological triplicities we will have fire, water, air and earth. <wrap hide>297|00:41:11|310|00:41:17|730</wrap>Well, let's take a look at the cardinal group, or quaternaries rather. <wrap hide>298|00:41:18|610|00:41:29|470</wrap>We have Aries: fire, square to Cancer: water, square to Libra: air, square to Capricorn: earth. <wrap hide>299|00:41:29|850|00:41:38|750</wrap>So working with the elements presents us with a great challenge because they are located in a way square to each other <wrap hide>300|00:41:38|750|00:41:43|930</wrap>and have to be synthesized, reconciled. <wrap hide>301|00:41:44|050|00:41:53|370</wrap>Now if you have a cross, let's—a cross like this, we have to go to the center of the cross to find the point of reconciliation <wrap hide>302|00:41:53|370|00:41:59|770</wrap>and lift that center into the number five before it becomes a point of synthesis. <wrap hide>303|00:42:01|270|00:42:07|070</wrap>So as we are tested, we are tested on varieties of the cross, <wrap hide>304|00:42:08|330|00:42:22|050</wrap>and this factor of fusing the elements in a great conflicted situation is part of the great tests of initiation under Scorpio. <wrap quote>This is part of the great tests of initiation under Scorpio.</wrap> <wrap hide>305|00:42:22|050|00:42:27|030</wrap>We remember that under Scorpio the first three initiations minimally occur, <wrap hide>306|00:42:27|430|00:42:40|090</wrap>and if Scorpio is active at the fourth initiation of death, then its peculiar testing potency is no longer what it was for the first three initiations. <wrap hide>307|00:42:40|750|00:42:44|890</wrap>It makes sense because Scorpio is the major fourth-race sign, at least at this time, <wrap hide>308|00:42:44|890|00:42:51|870</wrap>and so naturally Scorpio would be related to the cross. Scorpio related to the cross, <wrap hide>309|00:42:53|530|00:43:01|770</wrap>and to all of our testing on various crosses. We do have various crosses and we are tested on them. <wrap hide>310|00:43:02|450|00:43:11|250</wrap>We have the cross of experience, the common or Mutable Cross, the elements of which in that quaternary are all in square or opposed to each other. <wrap hide>311|00:43:11|250|00:43:21|490</wrap>We have the Fixed Cross of the soul, which gives us our awakening as a soul and our liberation as a soul from matter, <wrap hide>312|00:43:21|490|00:43:26|790</wrap>and we have the Cardinal Cross, also a great square and opposition configuration, <wrap hide>313|00:43:27|750|00:43:35|070</wrap>giving us higher planetary, systemic and even cosmic development. <wrap hide>314|00:43:35|810|00:43:44|150</wrap>So we do see that we, the human kingdom, have to rise above the cross into the number five in a sense, <wrap hide>315|00:43:44|630|00:43:53|930</wrap>into the kingdom of souls, into the sign Leo, which is the most human of all the signs, into the way Leo represents mastership. <wrap hide>316|00:43:55|030|00:44:03|270</wrap>We have to master the elements; we're crucified on the cross, we rise above it, <wrap hide>317|00:44:03|810|00:44:08|510</wrap>perhaps the very point of synthesis at the center of the cross in a way represents the fourth initiation, <wrap hide>318|00:44:09|030|00:44:14|870</wrap>and it spirals up to the pyramid, which is one of the great symbols of the fifth initiation. <wrap hide>319|00:44:17|090|00:44:18|210</wrap>Number twelve. <wrap hide>320|00:44:21|010|00:44:25|630</wrap><wrap quote>12. This chart is drawn up in relation only to the fourth Creative Hierarchy, the human.</wrap> <wrap hide>321|00:44:25|750|00:44:28|930</wrap>Now this is important. It's a question I have been asking: the human. <wrap hide>322|00:44:29|690|00:44:37|710</wrap><wrap quote>It is not drawn in relation to the other planetary manifestations.</wrap> We wonder what that would be. <wrap hide>323|00:44:38|710|00:44:45|270</wrap>This is telling us something about how all of these creative hierarchies are working in relation to human development, <wrap hide>324|00:44:46|170|00:44:58|830</wrap>but it still may relate to humanity as found on other planets. <wrap hide>325|00:45:00|670|00:45:09|050</wrap>So even though the perspective is not that of the development of any of these other creative hierarchies, <wrap hide>326|00:45:09|230|00:45:24|050</wrap>and man occupies a central position here, this is not to say that the charts that are drawn up have only to do with the manifestation on our planet, <wrap hide>327|00:45:24|050|00:45:30|750</wrap>but though I think somehow it has particular relevance to manifestation, human manifestation on our planet. <wrap hide>328|00:45:31|550|00:45:37|610</wrap>After all, it's the only planet on which we really understand anything about human manifestation, <wrap hide>329|00:45:37|850|00:45:47|130</wrap>even though we are told there are humanities that have developed on Venus and Mercury and Vulcan and the Earth. <wrap hide>330|00:45:49|090|00:45:55|510</wrap>He talks about the present humanity on Vulcan, two-fifths of which have achieved, <wrap hide>331|00:45:55|670|00:45:59|170</wrap>when only one-fifth of our humanity has achieved, <wrap hide>332|00:45:59|570|00:46:10|090</wrap>and seems to point to Venus as a field in which all the human units have achieved and possibly become Buddhic. <wrap hide>333|00:46:10|930|00:46:18|070</wrap>All right. Now, wow, we have made it from page 36 to 38. We are really speeding along here. <wrap hide>334|00:46:19|230|00:46:26|490</wrap><wrap quote>(The chart has been compiled from the very limited stock of knowledge that has thus far been revealed on the subject, <wrap hide>335|00:46:26|590|00:46:32|370</wrap>and it is as correct as possible under the circumstances.)</wrap> Well, this certainly answers my question, doesn't it? <wrap hide>336|00:46:33|370|00:46:42|290</wrap>This is not from D.K.'s direct dictation, but from that which has been available, <wrap hide>337|00:46:42|630|00:46:48|550</wrap>and therefore there are probably some holes in this chart, <wrap hide>338|00:46:52|470|00:47:01|490</wrap>and incompleteness and methods of describing things which are perhaps not pristine, <wrap hide>339|00:47:01|850|00:47:05|810</wrap>and some possible lines of confusion or provocation. <wrap hide>340|00:47:06|090|00:47:14|150</wrap>You know, when I see on this chart that the solar angel is connected directly with the human hierarchy, <wrap hide>341|00:47:15|570|00:47:21|970</wrap>immediately we want to know what it is. Why does he describe not the human, <wrap hide>342|00:47:22|770|00:47:26|810</wrap>but solar angels, Agnishvattas, and their buddhic connection? <wrap hide>343|00:47:27|810|00:47:39|750</wrap>That is somewhat mysterious. We do have to consider whether the solar angels achieved more than a buddhic status <wrap hide>344|00:47:40|370|00:47:47|350</wrap>in the last solar system. After all, even if there were five planes, they are initiates of all degrees. <wrap hide>345|00:47:47|610|00:47:54|910</wrap>That would be at least... what was the highest initiation achievable in the last solar system? <wrap hide>346|00:47:55|170|00:48:01|270</wrap>I know somewhere D.K. talks about it. Was it initiation number four? Possibly, I think so. <wrap hide>347|00:48:02|530|00:48:09|830</wrap>But the solar angels, those who were men in the previous solar system, had to pass on to the cosmic astral plane <wrap hide>348|00:48:09|830|00:48:16|870</wrap>in order to go to Sirius, in order to be breathed out again as men who had become solar angels. <wrap hide>349|00:48:19|390|00:48:28|470</wrap>So their monad seems to have had to focus on the cosmic astral plane. <wrap hide>350|00:48:29|230|00:48:36|390</wrap>But what is their main field of expression now on the cosmic physical plane? <wrap hide>351|00:48:36|530|00:48:40|510</wrap>Certainly sacrificially it's on the higher mental plane, yes. <wrap hide>352|00:48:41|070|00:48:45|530</wrap>But what is their field of non-sacrificial expression? <wrap hide>353|00:48:45|630|00:48:51|410</wrap>Where do they ordinarily and in the economy of our solar system express? <wrap hide>354|00:48:51|530|00:48:57|950</wrap>Is it simply the buddhic plane, or did they not move beyond that in the previous solar system, <wrap hide>355|00:48:57|950|00:49:02|750</wrap>or have they returned to the buddhic plane also sacrificially? <wrap hide>356|00:49:03|770|00:49:07|790</wrap>See, because the human monads are to express on the buddhic plane, <wrap hide>357|00:49:08|330|00:49:13|970</wrap>and yet the solar angelic monads are much higher. Are they too to express on the buddhic plane? <wrap hide>358|00:49:15|970|00:49:19|130</wrap>The question always is what is a true solar angel? <wrap hide>359|00:49:19|650|00:49:24|870</wrap>And in a way, are all of these beings solar angels of different categories? <wrap hide>360|00:49:25|730|00:49:29|710</wrap>These things are not easy to answer. We can't answer them. <wrap hide>361|00:49:29|830|00:49:36|290</wrap>D.K. says we will not solve the mystery of the fifth grade of hierarchy. <wrap hide>362|00:49:36|510|00:49:38|650</wrap>We will not solve the mystery of the solar angels. <wrap hide>363|00:49:39|270|00:49:43|270</wrap>But what I try to do here is offer up lines of connection and speculation <wrap hide>364|00:49:43|890|00:49:49|950</wrap>which may put a few arcs of light into the field which were not there before. <wrap hide>365|00:49:49|950|00:49:55|230</wrap>And maybe those arcs of light will lead to others, and eventually to a solution <wrap hide>366|00:49:55|470|00:49:59|550</wrap>when we have developed a higher consciousness. <wrap hide>367|00:50:02|910|00:50:05|290</wrap>So anyway, the charts are limited. <wrap hide>368|00:50:06|310|00:50:11|290</wrap><wrap quote>Each of the seven Hierarchies of Beings,</wrap> these are the manifested ones <wrap quote>found within the Twelve, <wrap hide>369|00:50:11|370|00:50:15|190</wrap>Who are the //Builders// or the Attractive Agents are (in their degree) intermediaries;</wrap> <wrap hide>370|00:50:15|790|00:50:23|270</wrap>In other words, they are monads with attractive power that attract different types of matter and form around them, <wrap hide>371|00:50:23|370|00:50:26|610</wrap>are in their degree intermediaries. <wrap hide>372|00:50:27|690|00:50:38|130</wrap>So we can see Creative Hierarchies working through lesser Creative Hierarchies, <wrap hide>373|00:50:38|130|00:50:48|190</wrap>and aspiring to participate in the life of greater Creative Hierarchies. <wrap hide>374|00:50:48|910|00:50:55|550</wrap><wrap quote>all embody one of the types of force emanating from the seven constellations.</wrap> <wrap hide>375|00:50:56|130|00:51:01|650</wrap>The term constellations is there, and I think not signs per se. <wrap hide>376|00:51:02|210|00:51:12|490</wrap>And the constellations involved here are Leo through Aquarius. <wrap hide>377|00:51:13|830|00:51:15|130</wrap>Leo through Aquarius. <wrap hide>378|00:51:16|510|00:51:25|350</wrap>So interestingly enough, Leo is the sign where individualisation importantly occurs, <wrap hide>379|00:51:26|170|00:51:32|610</wrap>the creating of a central focus, and Aquarius is a final sign of the distribution, <wrap hide>380|00:51:32|830|00:51:37|810</wrap>the wide universalisation or distribution of that which has been individualised. <wrap hide>381|00:51:38|110|00:51:44|490</wrap>It finds its place within the group, ruled by Aquarius. <wrap hide>382|00:51:45|070|00:51:49|250</wrap>So they have intermediary work, they have intermediary work. <wrap hide>383|00:51:49|350|00:51:52|750</wrap>We're not going to have time to say too much about it. <wrap hide>384|00:51:52|750|00:51:55|890</wrap><wrap quote>Their intermediary work, therefore, is dual:</wrap> <wrap hide>385|00:51:56|790|00:51:57|330</wrap>Let's see. <wrap hide>386|00:51:58|090|00:52:03|010</wrap><wrap quote>1. They are the mediators between Spirit and matter.</wrap> <wrap hide>387|00:52:03|250|00:52:10|250</wrap>Now does that mean that the monads per se are the mediators because all the Creative Hierarchies are mediators, <wrap hide>388|00:52:10|450|00:52:14|270</wrap>or are we looking at the monads plus the form creating the being? <wrap hide>389|00:52:14|270|00:52:29|370</wrap>And do we look at Spirit as related to life expression on the higher planes and matter as related to life expression on the cosmic physical plane? <wrap hide>390|00:52:29|890|00:52:33|310</wrap>In any case, they are mediators between the Spirit and matter. <wrap hide>391|00:52:33|830|00:52:36|490</wrap>Certainly the solar Angels are that. <wrap hide>392|00:52:36|970|00:52:38|390</wrap>Very definitely so. <wrap hide>393|00:52:38|890|00:52:43|310</wrap>They occupy that kind of function for man. <wrap hide>394|00:52:43|310|00:52:50|810</wrap>They stand between his monadic triadic nature and his material nature, <wrap hide>395|00:52:50|810|00:52:59|230</wrap>and maybe all of the Hierarchies in some ways are mediating between that which for them is Spirit <wrap hide>396|00:52:59|230|00:53:03|190</wrap>and that which is lower than them, than they are as matter. <wrap hide>397|00:53:04|550|00:53:12|270</wrap>And these Hierarchies as well are <wrap quote>2. They are the transmitters of force from sources extraneous to the solar system <wrap hide>398|00:53:12|270|00:53:16|430</wrap>to forms within the solar system.</wrap> <wrap hide>399|00:53:17|530|00:53:22|230</wrap>The Creative Hierarchies are actually building the forms within the solar system. <wrap hide>400|00:53:22|890|00:53:36|950</wrap>They are building these forms within the solar system and convey zodiacal energy to these forms. <wrap hide>401|00:53:36|950|00:53:50|050</wrap>Because the constellations of the zodiac are extraneous to the solar system. <wrap hide>402|00:53:51|130|00:53:57|850</wrap>And also there are ray energies coming from resources which these Hierarchies receive. <wrap hide>403|00:53:57|850|00:54:04|350</wrap>I mean, you know, if a human being of the third initiation can already begin receiving from the Great Bear, <wrap hide>404|00:54:05|050|00:54:13|930</wrap>from Pleiades and Sirius, then certainly these higher Hierarchies can be receiving from cosmic sources. <wrap hide>405|00:54:14|710|00:54:18|870</wrap>So they are mediating between Spirit and matter in general, <wrap hide>406|00:54:19|750|00:54:27|130</wrap>though the question is: what is Spirit and what is matter for any of these Hierarchies? <wrap hide>407|00:54:27|130|00:54:34|170</wrap>I mean spirit for man, as far as we are concerned in his monadic nature, is still occurring on the cosmic physical plane. <wrap hide>408|00:54:36|290|00:54:43|010</wrap>But spirit for a solar Angel, let us say, is probably on the cosmic astral plane. <wrap hide>409|00:54:43|190|00:54:50|570</wrap>Even though spirit is all equivalent, spirit is spirit, still the manifestation of the monad is still involved <wrap hide>410|00:54:51|130|00:54:54|490</wrap>with different kinds of substances. <wrap hide>411|00:54:55|950|00:55:01|890</wrap>Does substance exist on the cosmic astral plane? It has sometimes been asked. <wrap hide>412|00:55:02|350|00:55:05|330</wrap>D.K. says, "Does matter exist on the cosmic astral plane?" <wrap hide>413|00:55:06|270|00:55:16|790</wrap>But we have to say yes in a way, because notice that the third Creative Hierarchy is dealing with intelligent substance. <wrap hide>414|00:55:17|690|00:55:21|870</wrap>So that is substance on the cosmic astral plane. <wrap hide>415|00:55:21|870|00:55:28|230</wrap>As a matter of fact, what does it mean that all the cosmic planes may or may not be substantial? <wrap hide>416|00:55:28|370|00:55:32|230</wrap>That is probably way beyond our ability to grasp. <wrap hide>417|00:55:32|890|00:55:38|550</wrap>Can they be substantial without being particulate or made of units of matter? <wrap hide>418|00:55:38|610|00:55:45|770</wrap>Well, that often leads to another direction which it probably is not a good idea to pursue at this time. <wrap hide>419|00:55:47|450|00:55:55|370</wrap>Although in my book, "Infinitization of Selfhood," I think I made some wild pursuits of such subjects. <wrap hide>420|00:55:57|030|00:56:04|630</wrap><wrap quote>Each of these groups of beings is likewise septenary in nature,</wrap> in terms of form at least, maybe ninefold in terms of consciousness. <wrap hide>421|00:56:05|430|00:56:11|630</wrap><wrap quote>and the forty-nine fires of Brahma are the lowest manifestation of their fiery nature. <wrap hide>1|00:00:12|160|00:00:19|540</wrap>Each group also may be regarded as "fallen" in the cosmic sense, because involved in the building process, <wrap hide>423|00:56:17|990|00:56:24|590</wrap>or the occupiers of forms of some degree of density or another.</wrap> on the cosmic physical plane. <wrap hide>424|00:56:25|310|00:56:26|310</wrap>On the cosmic physical plane. <wrap hide>425|00:56:26|430|00:56:38|910</wrap>Well, to tell you what, we are at the point now where we have to end our Esoteric Astrology Adventure Number Seventeen. <wrap hide>426|00:56:39|850|00:56:46|870</wrap>And so this is the end of EAA Seventeen; we've made it to page thirty-eight. <wrap hide>427|00:56:48|310|00:56:57|030</wrap>Well, I have to say maybe the tortoise will win the race. This is the twenty-ninth of June, 2011. <wrap hide>428|00:56:57|990|00:57:05|310</wrap>And now together we will use and say The Great Invocation. <wrap hide>429|00:57:06|670|00:57:08|470</wrap>Well, all they have to do is find it, right? <wrap hide>430|00:57:09|630|00:57:18|830</wrap>Right, so we'll just say, "From the point of light," light, and that should give it to us. <wrap hide>431|00:57:19|650|00:57:20|990</wrap>No, it doesn't. <wrap hide>432|00:57:22|270|00:57:23|550</wrap>We'll do it a different way. <wrap hide>433|00:57:24|590|00:57:25|890</wrap>We'll do it a different way. <wrap hide>434|00:57:31|250|00:57:33|130</wrap>Alright, that'll do it. <wrap hide>435|00:57:33|780|00:57:40|550</wrap>And we together use the great mantrum of light and power, <wrap hide>436|00:57:42|110|00:57:49|010</wrap>which is our greatest instrument for contributing to the reappearance of the Christ. <wrap hide>437|00:57:55|430|00:57:56|290</wrap>Om. <wrap hide>438|00:57:57|610|00:57:58|370</wrap>Om. <wrap hide>439|00:58:00|490|00:58:10|490</wrap>From the point of light within the mind of God, let light stream forth into the minds of men. Let light descend on earth. <wrap hide>440|00:58:13|350|00:58:23|590</wrap>From the point of love within the heart of God, let love stream forth into the hearts of men. May Christ return to earth. <wrap hide>441|00:58:25|730|00:58:36|290</wrap>From the center where the will of God is known, let purpose guide the little wills of men—the purpose which the masters know and serve. <wrap hide>442|00:58:38|190|00:58:48|590</wrap>From the center which we call the race of men, let the plan of love and light work out, and may it seal the door where evil dwells. <wrap hide>443|00:58:49|590|00:58:55|170</wrap>Let light and love and power restore the plan on earth. <wrap hide>444|00:59:02|330|00:59:03|730</wrap>Om. <wrap hide>445|00:59:10|330|00:59:11|730</wrap>Om. <wrap hide>446|00:59:40|290|00:59:41|690</wrap>Om. <wrap hide>447|00:59:41|690|00:59:44|010</wrap>That's the Astrology Adventure number 18. <wrap hide>448|00:59:45|870|00:59:49|390</wrap>At the earliest time that I can bring it to us. <wrap hide>449|00:59:50|530|00:59:52|790</wrap>And for now, farewell.
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