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-<wrap hide>1|00:00:00|000|00:00:12|600</wrap>Okay. Hi, friends. We are beginning Esoteric Astrology Adventure 80, 8-0, the A section <wrap hide>2|00:00:12|600|00:00:18|800</wrap>of this on page 226, and we're about ready to get into a discussion of the decanates <wrap hide>3|00:00:19|280|00:00:31|380</wrap>as they are found in Scorpio. <wrap quote>The three decanates, says the Tibetan, are given very differently <wrap hide>4|00:00:31|380|00:00:47|500</wrap>by various astrologers. One group posits Mars, the Sun, and Venus,</wrap> and this would be the <wrap hide>5|00:00:47|500|00:00:53|540</wrap>Sepharial, or Sepharial being the foremost spokesman for that group that studies the <wrap hide>6|00:00:53|540|00:01:00|560</wrap>ancient Chaldean method, as the ruling decanates. Whilst the other regards Mars, <wrap quote>Jupiter, and <wrap hide>7|00:01:00|560|00:01:07|660</wrap>the Moon as the three rulers,</wrap> and this is Alan Leo following the Hindu system, where <wrap hide>8|00:01:08|160|00:01:14|380</wrap>Mars is the ruler of Scorpio, Scorpio, sub-Scorpio. Then, since Jupiter is the ruler of Pisces, <wrap hide>9|00:01:14|380|00:01:19|000</wrap>Scorpio sub-Pisces would be Jupiter, and Scorpio sub-Cancer, the Moon. <wrap hide>10|00:01:21|300|00:01:30|180</wrap>Perhaps, says the Tibetan, <wrap quote>the truth lies in both conclusions, if we view them from <wrap hide>11|00:01:30|180|00:01:39|420</wrap>the esoteric standpoint, or from that of the undeveloped man. This will be an interesting <wrap hide>12|00:01:39|420|00:01:45|820</wrap>point for astrologers to investigate and study.</wrap> So he's opening the door to further study <wrap hide>13|00:01:45|820|00:01:50|980</wrap>here. Some<wrap quote>day they will arrive at a clear decision,</wrap> whether it will be correct or not, <wrap hide>14|00:01:51|040|00:01:56|720</wrap>but it will be at least a clear decision, as <wrap quote>the position of the five planets suggested <wrap hide>1|00:00:00|000|00:00:12|600</wrap>as ruling the decanates. They do agree on one,</wrap> and the one they agree upon, I guess, <wrap hide>16|00:02:05|720|00:02:17|540</wrap>is Mars. Mars, yes. So, <wrap quote>I cannot indicate to you the essential truth, because a new <wrap hide>17|00:02:17|540|00:02:25|460</wrap>planet is arising in this sign, and it is for man to discover and rightly place it within <wrap hide>18|00:02:25|460|00:02:30|500</wrap>the circumference of the great wheel.</wrap> Now, some have felt that this new planet is Pluto, <wrap hide>19|00:02:31|020|00:02:46|140</wrap>but if you look closely, there is no trans-Saturnian planet indicated in the decanates, which the <wrap hide>20|00:02:46|140|00:02:56|360</wrap>Tibetan gives. Vulcan is sometimes veiled, and perhaps occasionally, Uranus is implied, <wrap hide>21|00:02:56|360|00:03:07|040</wrap>but generally all the planets lie within the orbit of Saturn. We have as well the issue <wrap hide>22|00:03:07|040|00:03:17|220</wrap>of whether Pluto should be considered a new planet, because it had been discovered by <wrap hide>23|00:03:17|220|00:03:26|340</wrap>the time the Tibetan was writing this book in the mid-thirties. So we have to see, and <wrap hide>24|00:03:26|360|00:03:37|200</wrap>whether the planet will be an intra-Saturnian planet, or whether it will be Pluto. It is <wrap hide>25|00:03:37|200|00:03:43|520</wrap>difficult to determine at this point, and he has not offered us a solution. <wrap hide>26|00:03:48|900|00:03:56|340</wrap>The decanate wheels that I have worked out, the tabulation, goes as you would expect. <wrap hide>27|00:03:56|360|00:04:09|840</wrap>As usual, in the clockwise wheel, from 30 to 20 Scorpio, and then from 20 to 10, and <wrap hide>28|00:04:09|840|00:04:19|920</wrap>then from 10 to 0. So, the zodiacal ruler of the decanates, of course Scorpio, sub-Scorpio, <wrap hide>29|00:04:20|150|00:04:30|560</wrap>sub-Pisces, Scorpio, sub-Cancer. The extra-zodiacal constellations, which we may be able to associate <wrap hide>30|00:04:30|560|00:04:40|780</wrap>with the various decanates, are the serpent, Serpens, then the healer, Ophiuchus. Some <wrap hide>31|00:04:40|780|00:04:49|900</wrap>have thought of Ophiuchus as being yet another constellation, zodiacal constellation, and <wrap hide>32|00:04:50|960|00:04:58|140</wrap>some have wanted to add Orion to the zodiacal constellations. <wrap hide>33|00:04:59|040|00:05:09|780</wrap>But since the zodiacal constellations are a twelve-petaled heart center within the head <wrap hide>34|00:05:09|780|00:05:19|900</wrap>center of the great supracosmic Logos, the one about whom naught may be said, it does <wrap hide>35|00:05:19|900|00:05:25|780</wrap>not mean thirteen or fourteen. As far as we know, all heart centers, including the <wrap hide>36|00:05:25|780|00:05:32|760</wrap>heart centers within the head of the human being as well, have twelve petals. And so <wrap hide>37|00:05:34|940|00:05:47|460</wrap>Scorpius and Ophiuchus are blended together in one constellation. The further constellation <wrap hide>38|00:05:47|460|00:05:58|000</wrap>is Hercules. And of course, it would be interesting to see if we could get a picture of that. <wrap hide>39|00:06:04|380|00:06:11|400</wrap>Now there are different theorists who have offered good thought concerning the decanates. <wrap hide>40|00:06:11|400|00:06:19|580</wrap>This is the wheel as put together by Nicholas Dévore. And in this case, the outer wheel <wrap hide>41|00:06:19|580|00:06:28|160</wrap>is the wheel of consciousness, and he gives us the same planets as does Alan Leo, Mars, <wrap hide>42|00:06:28|920|00:06:35|540</wrap>Jupiter and the Moon, but there is a question. And then considering the reversing wheel, <wrap hide>43|00:06:36|160|00:06:43|500</wrap>or rather the clockwise wheel, interiorly there is the backward sequence of Mars, the <wrap hide>44|00:06:43|500|00:06:55|160</wrap>Sun and Venus, but Venus is questioned. When it comes to Steven Pugh's work, he does this <wrap hide>45|00:06:55|160|00:07:03|860</wrap>a little differently, and he includes Pluto. Now for him, the inner wheel is the reversed <wrap hide>46|00:07:03|860|00:07:10|920</wrap>wheel. So we have Mars, which everyone is agreeing upon, but then Venus is interpolated <wrap hide>47|00:07:11|980|00:07:19|080</wrap>instead of Jupiter, and Pluto—well, let's see, it goes Mars, Sun. Venus is interpolated <wrap hide>48|00:07:19|080|00:07:31|860</wrap>instead of the Sun. And Pluto instead of Venus. Then moving backwards, he does not use Sepharial's <wrap hide>49|00:07:31|860|00:07:38|220</wrap>method. Let's see, the inner wheel is the reversed wheel, so it should be, according <wrap hide>50|00:07:38|220|00:07:45|360</wrap>to Al and Leo, Mars, Jupiter, Moon, but instead we have Mars, Venus, Pluto. You notice that <wrap hide>51|00:07:45|360|00:07:56|060</wrap>this is the only planet which is trans-Saturnian listed in the decanates. I think he's done <wrap hide>52|00:07:56|060|00:08:06|120</wrap>a very good job portraying the esoteric and exoteric colors found elsewhere in esoteric <wrap hide>53|00:08:06|120|00:08:13|440</wrap>psychology. The esoteric color of the first ray is red, and exoteric is orange. You see <wrap hide>54|00:08:13|440|00:08:26|040</wrap>the distinction there. So here for the ordinary wheel, instead of having Sepharial's model— <wrap hide>55|00:08:26|060|00:08:39|020</wrap>Mars, Sun, and Venus—we have Pluto, Venus, and Mars. So when we deal with Sepharial's <wrap hide>56|00:08:39|020|00:08:48|740</wrap>work, it's pretty clear that he intended to remain in the normal zodiacal order. So this <wrap hide>57|00:08:48|740|00:08:56|040</wrap>leaves us with some degree of ambiguity as to how we should treat his work. So let's <wrap hide>58|00:08:56|060|00:09:05|840</wrap>begin with his listing: whether we should begin with the order he intended at zero degrees—in <wrap hide>59|00:09:05|840|00:09:13|540</wrap>other words, Mars would have been 0 to 10, Sun 10 to 20, and Venus 20 to 30—or because <wrap hide>60|00:09:13|540|00:09:23|880</wrap>the wheel is reversing, we should put—not reversing, but going in an order that is clockwise <wrap hide>61|00:09:23|880|00:09:30|320</wrap>and not the usual order in which the signs are presented, a kind of backwards order—whether <wrap hide>62|00:09:30|320|00:09:38|640</wrap>we should place Mars at 30 to 20—the Sun, of course, would be 20 to 10, and Venus would <wrap hide>63|00:09:38|640|00:09:47|840</wrap>be 10 to 0. Here we have the constellations listed—the serpent, the serpent-bearer, <wrap hide>64|00:09:47|840|00:09:57|040</wrap>and the kneeling hero. Here are the Sepharial decanates. Here's Alan Leo's decanates with <wrap hide>65|00:09:57|040|00:10:03|120</wrap>the question of whether Neptune should be interpolated, but again that would be a trans-Saturnian <wrap hide>66|00:10:03|120|00:10:15|360</wrap>planet. And then another astrologer, Holger Stansberg, from Denmark will give us Mars, <wrap hide>67|00:10:15|360|00:10:22|040</wrap>Jupiter and the Moon, which is pretty much what Alan Leo has given for the wheel of form. <wrap hide>68|00:10:25|900|00:10:33|800</wrap>And Nicholas, however, is giving us—see, this is the wheel of form. Now, really the <wrap hide>69|00:10:33|800|00:10:42|360</wrap>Mars-Jupiter-Moon is more correlated with the wheel of consciousness. So you can see <wrap hide>70|00:10:42|360|00:10:51|820</wrap>there's a great deal of variation in what the various theorists conceive as correct, <wrap hide>71|00:10:51|960|00:10:57|760</wrap>one of them even inserting another planet altogether. But I do wonder here, when it <wrap hide>72|00:10:57|760|00:11:08|540</wrap>says a new planet is arising, I wonder if it's not Vulcan. Because, you know, is Pluto <wrap hide>73|00:11:08|540|00:11:17|060</wrap>a new planet? Was it a new planet? Is it arising? Was it arising in this sign? Or is the Moon <wrap hide>74|00:11:17|060|00:11:26|200</wrap>somehow veiling the willpower of Vulcan, where the Moon shows up as the decanate ruler? Vulcan <wrap hide>75|00:11:26|200|00:11:33|200</wrap>is certainly a new planet, and it has not yet been discovered, and the possibility of <wrap hide>76|00:11:33|200|00:11:39|980</wrap>its arising, I think, is very strong. So we can consider whether this would be a possibility <wrap hide>77|00:11:39|980|00:11:40|920</wrap>or not. <wrap hide>78|00:11:43|060|00:11:57|680</wrap>Okay. So here we have the chart from which I've been working. And the wheel of form, <wrap hide>79|00:11:57|680|00:12:08|220</wrap>one way of doing it, of course, is to simply reverse what Alan Leo presents to us. He presents <wrap hide>80|00:12:08|220|00:12:19|960</wrap>to us Mars, the Sun, or Mars-Jupiter, and the Moon. So if we were to have the individual, <wrap hide>81|00:12:20|780|00:12:26|740</wrap>the non-aspiring individual, enter at the 30-degree point, that would be considered <wrap hide>82|00:12:26|740|00:12:32|120</wrap>the first decanate, and the Moon would be ruling what is normally considered the last <wrap hide>83|00:12:32|120|00:12:39|580</wrap>decanate, so he would begin with the Moon. Then he would move to Jupiter, which stays <wrap hide>84|00:12:39|580|00:12:50|160</wrap>the same, and then finally to Mars, which is the 0 to 10. This seems one way of doing <wrap hide>85|00:12:50|160|00:13:00|860</wrap>it. And it culminates with the assertion of the individual, who is still less than <wrap hide>86|00:13:00|860|00:13:09|420</wrap>fully soul-oriented. He's still a mind. He is not yet really a reorienting personality. <wrap hide>87|00:13:12|440|00:13:19|600</wrap>The possibility on the reversed wheel, which is the wheel in the correct order as we understand <wrap hide>88|00:13:19|600|00:13:29|280</wrap>it, is Mars, Jupiter, and the Moon. And I'm asking here again, can the Moon in this instance <wrap hide>89|00:13:29|280|00:13:36|860</wrap>veil Vulcan, relating Hercules to the spiritual will and to the atmic plane? I've also questioned <wrap hide>90|00:13:36|860|00:13:41|920</wrap>as to whether Pluto, as the healer—he is said to be the healer with the power of the <wrap hide>91|00:13:42|620|00:13:49|580</wrap>serpent—can Pluto be involved, as this would be the Pisces decan, and Pluto is said to <wrap hide>92|00:13:49|600|00:13:57|840</wrap>be intimately connected with Pisces. It would seem possible, but interestingly, Stephen, <wrap hide>93|00:13:58|020|00:14:06|020</wrap>who is a very good thinker on these points, he puts Pluto not in the middle decanate, <wrap hide>94|00:14:06|560|00:14:12|880</wrap>but in what is either the last or the first. About that, I cannot really say anything more. <wrap hide>95|00:14:13|760|00:14:22|920</wrap>Investigation will be required. And then, of course, Mars is the first decanate. This <wrap hide>96|00:14:22|920|00:14:25|300</wrap>is the counterclockwise entry. <wrap hide>97|00:14:34|660|00:14:41|220</wrap>Now there are also some theorists who feel that there is a reversal going on, and that <wrap hide>98|00:14:41|220|00:14:48|100</wrap>Ophiuchus should not be in the central decanate, but Hercules should be there, and Ophiuchus <wrap hide>99|00:14:48|100|00:14:56|060</wrap>in the last, because he is in a way the most spiritual of the figures, of the celestial <wrap hide>100|00:14:56|060|00:15:04|020</wrap>figures. Hercules is still struggling, but Ophiuchus can handle the serpent. Certainly <wrap hide>101|00:15:04|020|00:15:11|040</wrap>there is the physician connected with this second decanate, and when we think about Pisces, <wrap hide>102|00:15:11|040|00:15:17|740</wrap>which is the ruler of the second decanate, the healing potentials of Pisces are strongly <wrap hide>103|00:15:17|740|00:15:28|300</wrap>indicated. There is a kind of Plutonic quality about this second decanate. So diverse opinions <wrap hide>104|00:15:28|300|00:15:37|720</wrap>prevail at the moment. Here we have Alan Leo's decanates listed in a way that can be seen <wrap hide>105|00:15:38|660|00:15:47|400</wrap>progressively moving. He moves from Mars to Jupiter to the Moon, and Sepharial moves from <wrap hide>106|00:15:47|400|00:15:54|080</wrap>Mars to the Sun to Venus, but we could also possibly reverse these with Mars first and <wrap hide>107|00:15:54|080|00:16:07|220</wrap>Venus last. What is problematic about beginning with Venus at any point is that it doesn't <wrap hide>108|00:16:07|220|00:16:18|940</wrap>seem to accord either with the serpent that has to be overcome or with Hercules. Venus <wrap hide>109|00:16:18|940|00:16:28|860</wrap>is not a planet resonant with the power of Hercules, and Venus is not a planet resonant <wrap hide>110|00:16:28|860|00:16:36|020</wrap>with the power of the serpent, which must be handled, which must be overcome. So in <wrap hide>111|00:16:36|020|00:16:43|020</wrap>some ways if we begin with Sepharial, it seems that we would do better to start with—well, <wrap hide>112|00:16:45|320|00:16:56|300</wrap>it is a problem either way. If we begin with Mars from 0 to—from 30 to 20 degrees, entering <wrap hide>113|00:16:56|300|00:17:03|220</wrap>the sign as it were backwards, Mars can well accord with the serpent. Perhaps the Sun can <wrap hide>114|00:17:03|220|00:17:13|860</wrap>somewhat accord with the healing power of Ophiuchus. Perhaps. Venus, however, does not <wrap hide>115|00:17:13|860|00:17:25|140</wrap>accord with Hercules. No, Venus does not well accord with the serpent. So actually, let <wrap hide>116|00:17:25|140|00:17:33|200</wrap>me try to make this clear. The 20 to 30 decanate is generally ruled by Hercules. The 20 to <wrap hide>117|00:17:33|220|00:17:39|860</wrap>30 decanate, the 10 to 20 by Ophiuchus, the 0 to 10 correlated with the serpent. So we <wrap hide>118|00:17:39|860|00:17:46|560</wrap>would begin with Hercules, and Mars could well accord with Hercules. We would have Ophiuchus <wrap hide>119|00:17:46|560|00:17:54|140</wrap>as the Sun, and then we would end with Venus. We'd end with Venus over here, and Venus would <wrap hide>120|00:17:54|140|00:18:01|440</wrap>be the planet to accord with the serpent. And that doesn't seem to make good sense. <wrap hide>121|00:18:02|180|00:18:09|640</wrap>Nor does it make sense to correlate Venus with Hercules, and possibly then Mars with <wrap hide>122|00:18:09|640|00:18:16|720</wrap>the serpent. That's okay. So there are still many questions to be resolved. Given the way <wrap hide>123|00:18:16|720|00:18:31|420</wrap>D.K. has been using intra-Saturnian planets as the planets which rule the decanate, I'm <wrap hide>124|00:18:31|420|00:18:40|760</wrap>going to find the Moon. That is, in relation to the third decanate. The Moon does not well <wrap hide>125|00:18:40|760|00:18:50|920</wrap>accord with Hercules at all. But the power of Vulcan representing the spiritual will, <wrap hide>126|00:18:51|980|00:18:57|560</wrap>the power which applies that will in a practical way—of course, Hercules does do a lot of <wrap hide>127|00:18:57|560|00:19:03|080</wrap>killing, no question about that, and Pluto, as Stephen suggests, would be a possibility. <wrap hide>128|00:19:03|800|00:19:12|760</wrap>But Vulcan is frequently veiled by the Moon and represents a strenuous activity which <wrap hide>129|00:19:12|760|00:19:21|100</wrap>is directed towards expression in matter. So it is a new planet, and it may be rising <wrap hide>130|00:19:21|700|00:19:27|080</wrap>under the guise of the Moon. We cannot yet tell. Unfortunately, we have to leave this <wrap hide>131|00:19:27|080|00:19:34|080</wrap>with some uncertainty, and we simply will be in a position where we have to experiment <wrap hide>132|00:19:35|060|00:19:36|920</wrap>and reason this out. <wrap hide>133|00:19:38|300|00:19:50|760</wrap>Now, as I've done before, I've looked here at the physical, emotional, and mental, and <wrap hide>134|00:19:50|760|00:19:57|980</wrap>I haven't spent too much time on those phases. I'm more interested in the integrating personality, <wrap hide>135|00:19:58|880|00:20:05|660</wrap>which is orienting itself as an aspirant would towards the soul, in the disciple, who is <wrap hide>136|00:20:05|660|00:20:14|060</wrap>now responding fully to the soul, and finally to the initiate who has become the soul itself. <wrap hide>137|00:20:14|560|00:20:21|600</wrap>The first or physical stage of man evolving in this sign is under Mars as the orthodox <wrap hide>138|00:20:21|600|00:20:29|420</wrap>ruler, and maybe Pluto can be included. And we say here that this is a period in which <wrap hide>139|00:20:29|420|00:20:35|140</wrap>there is an aggressive and warlike pursuit of the satisfaction of the instinctual nature. <wrap hide>140|00:20:36|740|00:20:44|040</wrap>D.K. calls this phase in the life of the undeveloped man Unity of Selfishness. The most powerful <wrap hide>141|00:20:44|060|00:20:48|340</wrap>monster, and I think sometimes I've called it the monster of selfishness, but this is <wrap hide>142|00:20:48|340|00:20:55|660</wrap>the correct statement from page 333 of Esoteric Astrology. <wrap hide>143|00:20:56|340|00:21:01|320</wrap>Unity of Selfishness, the monster, and we can expect violent, that's Mars, and even <wrap hide>144|00:21:01|320|00:21:07|880</wrap>lethal selfishness, that's Pluto. Murder, even, to possess what one wants. Violence <wrap hide>145|00:21:07|880|00:21:14|200</wrap>is associated with the satisfaction of sexual needs and the need for comfort. The physical <wrap hide>146|00:21:14|200|00:21:23|540</wrap>hydra is ruling here. This is the instinctual nature, the rampant instinctual nature. The <wrap hide>147|00:21:23|540|00:21:30|280</wrap>base of the spine center and the sacral center are in pronounced activity, though the part <wrap hide>148|00:21:30|280|00:21:36|320</wrap>of the base of the spine which is operative is not the part which will be stimulated when <wrap hide>149|00:21:36|320|00:21:42|060</wrap>Kundalini truly begins to rise. It's simply the survival type of instinct. <wrap hide>150|00:21:44|160|00:21:50|860</wrap>I'm not going to go too much into this. You can read this later from the text itself. <wrap hide>151|00:21:53|240|00:22:06|300</wrap>I'm simply using the reverse of Alan Leo here. In the physical area, I say that the <wrap hide>152|00:22:06|300|00:22:10|940</wrap>man tends to his physical nature ruled by the moon. He uses aggression and assertion <wrap hide>153|00:22:10|940|00:22:16|560</wrap>to assure his own safety. There is the comfort factor, the shielding factor. He learns to <wrap hide>154|00:22:16|560|00:22:24|660</wrap>shield himself. He becomes primitively defensive. This is the Cancerian sub-decanate, which he <wrap hide>155|00:22:24|660|00:22:30|480</wrap>is entering as an undeveloped man, defending primarily his body and that which shelters <wrap hide>156|00:22:30|480|00:22:36|020</wrap>his body—the home, whatever that may mean to such a primitive. The factor of comfort <wrap hide>157|00:22:36|020|00:22:46|240</wrap>of his vehicles enters. And I would say, in general, it's a great immersion in physicality. <wrap hide>158|00:22:47|580|00:22:53|280</wrap>The sacred planets do not always have to be interpreted in spiritual ways. They have their <wrap hide>159|00:22:53|280|00:23:01|760</wrap>lesser meanings at lesser stages of development. And I think perhaps we could see the fortification <wrap hide>160|00:23:01|760|00:23:04|540</wrap>aspect operating here with Vulcan. <wrap hide>161|00:23:05|080|00:23:12|320</wrap>It's interesting. I've suggested that the sun and the moon really are not the final <wrap hide>162|00:23:12|320|00:23:17|100</wrap>rulers of anything. They are always veiling some planet, I think even in the orthodox <wrap hide>163|00:23:17|880|00:23:28|820</wrap>position. I suggested taking this from a hint D.K. gave that the sun in Leo may actually <wrap hide>164|00:23:28|820|00:23:34|120</wrap>be veiling Jupiter in an orthodox manner, and that the moon in Cancer may actually be <wrap hide>165|00:23:34|120|00:23:43|520</wrap>veiling the most material and physical aspect of Vulcan. So this is sort of self-fortification. <wrap hide>166|00:23:45|900|00:23:53|240</wrap>And I go on to discuss it. As I say, this is not so important because we cannot find <wrap hide>167|00:23:53|240|00:24:00|080</wrap>this type of individual on the planet today—one who is purely physically polarized. But <wrap hide>168|00:24:00|080|00:24:08|480</wrap>I've given Jupiter here kind of a material interpretation: the many experiences leading <wrap hide>169|00:24:08|480|00:24:17|040</wrap>to instinctual gratification. So he is greedy for his satisfactions in the second decanate. <wrap hide>170|00:24:18|580|00:24:27|480</wrap>How would the sun fit in there with Sepharial on this physical level? Well, that is his <wrap hide>171|00:24:27|480|00:24:37|540</wrap>identity. The body is his identity here. And he identifies with that and seeks its full <wrap hide>172|00:24:37|540|00:24:41|220</wrap>satisfaction. This is the primitive ego asserting itself. <wrap hide>173|00:24:42|260|00:24:50|940</wrap>And then finally this is Mars moving backwards. The man is immersed in bodily processes, the <wrap hide>174|00:24:50|940|00:24:56|220</wrap>urgent and even violent instinctual nature. So Mars is ruling the physical body and its <wrap hide>175|00:24:56|220|00:25:00|920</wrap>appetites. And I suppose this could be considered to be the serpent of evil. There are many <wrap hide>176|00:25:00|920|00:25:08|000</wrap>kinds of serpents, and what we originally have to do here in Scorpio is overcome this <wrap hide>177|00:25:08|640|00:25:14|640</wrap>lower serpent and extract from it some kind of elixir. Now that's what Ophiuchus does. <wrap hide>178|00:25:15|340|00:25:23|080</wrap>He manages to tame, to handle the serpent so that the aspects of the serpent which were <wrap hide>179|00:25:23|080|00:25:29|720</wrap>directed towards negativity and which were poisonous, essentially, are used for better <wrap hide>180|00:25:29|720|00:25:30|300</wrap>purposes. <wrap hide>181|00:25:31|500|00:25:39|740</wrap>I don't—you know, you can study this as you wish. It probably—I think it is not so, not <wrap hide>182|00:25:39|740|00:25:49|800</wrap>as profitable to discuss this part of the tabulation at this point. Now, we have the <wrap hide>183|00:25:50|380|00:25:57|220</wrap>initially physical man, whatever decanate he may be born in. This is just how people <wrap hide>184|00:25:57|220|00:26:03|240</wrap>are—they start out in a primitive state, concerned only with the physical instincts. <wrap hide>185|00:26:03|700|00:26:08|640</wrap>They do gradually, as they enter the second petal and develop it, move into an emotional <wrap hide>186|00:26:08|640|00:26:15|940</wrap>phase, but they're still under Mars as the orthodox ruler. That is in general. Because <wrap hide>187|00:26:15|940|00:26:22|200</wrap>if you look at the three rulers of any sign, which in this case are Mars, Mars, and Mercury, <wrap hide>188|00:26:23|070|00:26:31|340</wrap>with Pluto as a sub-ruler permeating this situation, if you look at these rulers, they <wrap hide>189|00:26:31|340|00:26:42|320</wrap>do define distinct developmental periods in the life of the evolving man. So we're still <wrap hide>190|00:26:42|320|00:26:48|320</wrap>under Mars, and this is a period of emotional development, but it's ruled by Mars. Mars, <wrap hide>191|00:26:48|320|00:26:59|120</wrap>in a way, is connected with all of the sub-diaphragmatic chakras. It rules Kundalini—latent at the <wrap hide>192|00:26:59|120|00:27:05|680</wrap>base of the spine. It's certainly connected with the sacral center, as Mars is the preeminently <wrap hide>193|00:27:05|680|00:27:12|820</wrap>sexual planet, and the Tibetan has given its sixth ray the connection with the solar plexus. <wrap hide>194|00:27:13|540|00:27:24|760</wrap>So now when we enter this stage of emotional unfoldment for the primitive scorpion, we <wrap hide>195|00:27:24|760|00:27:30|080</wrap>have the solar plexus energy being added to the strong basal and sacral expression. The <wrap hide>196|00:27:30|080|00:27:39|980</wrap>man has intense desires, not only of an instinctual nature. He is willing to fight and kill. These <wrap hide>197|00:27:39|980|00:27:48|620</wrap>are Scorpionic Martian qualities, and with Pluto perhaps added in a very primitive way, <wrap hide>198|00:27:49|040|00:27:55|820</wrap>he is willing to fight and kill for the satisfaction of these desires. The emotional hydra rules, <wrap hide>199|00:27:56|740|00:28:03|460</wrap>and the man is in the grips of fear, hatred, and later of ambition, or the love of power. <wrap hide>200|00:28:04|460|00:28:16|020</wrap>The sex, money, and comfort aspect is found describing the physical heads of the hydra. <wrap hide>201|00:28:16|920|00:28:27|520</wrap>Well, sex and comfort, of course, can easily be pursued by the primitive man. The concept <wrap hide>202|00:28:27|520|00:28:37|500</wrap>of money may be a little more advanced, so whatever stood for the possibility of trade <wrap hide>203|00:28:37|500|00:28:43|580</wrap>and exchange could be considered as money, but it's generally a more advanced concept. <wrap hide>204|00:28:44|440|00:28:52|000</wrap>So the emotional hydra rules here. At first the astro-body displays the colors red, Mars, <wrap hide>205|00:28:52|000|00:28:57|840</wrap>and even black Pluto. There have been some drawings by Leadbeater which show a person <wrap hide>206|00:28:57|840|00:29:04|140</wrap>in an extreme anger, angry state, and also what he calls the savage state. It's very <wrap hide>207|00:29:04|140|00:29:10|500</wrap>red, and the anger state is filled with red and black. Later there is reaching, a reaching <wrap hide>208|00:29:10|500|00:29:16|180</wrap>for higher objects of desire, and the element of sacrifice enters when man is willing to <wrap hide>209|00:29:16|180|00:29:19|620</wrap>do anything to achieve his desires. <wrap hide>210|00:29:20|760|00:29:31|080</wrap>And so what we have here also, we could look at the various planets involved. Over here <wrap hide>211|00:29:31|080|00:29:38|500</wrap>again it's the moon, and I'm kind of developing this on the basis of the Cancer decan. Here's <wrap hide>212|00:29:38|500|00:29:46|160</wrap>the Pisces decan, and here is the Scorpio decan, because he is after all moving back <wrap hide>213|00:29:46|180|00:29:55|120</wrap>or clockwise on the wheel. We don't have such a sample to be able to study people of this <wrap hide>214|00:29:55|120|00:30:04|320</wrap>kind, so these are my thoughts on the matter. But they are speculative, of course. <wrap hide>215|00:30:05|840|00:30:12|200</wrap>But here you have it on the screen, so if you wish to freeze the screen and look at <wrap hide>216|00:30:12|200|00:30:16|980</wrap>these things, then you are in a position to do so. <wrap hide>217|00:30:23|680|00:30:32|360</wrap>Then we move to another stage of development, but we're still under Mars, because Mars does <wrap hide>218|00:30:32|360|00:30:40|200</wrap>rule the mental plane, the lower mental plane on the five senses, as D.K. has told us. So <wrap hide>219|00:30:40|200|00:30:46|320</wrap>we're under Mars with Pluto as the orthodox ruler, and this period—we call it the mental <wrap hide>220|00:30:46|320|00:30:52|700</wrap>or lower personal period—is generally ruled by Mars, because after all we're moving towards <wrap hide>221|00:30:52|700|00:30:57|640</wrap>becoming a personality, and Mars rules every aspect of the personality, plus the personality <wrap hide>222|00:30:57|640|00:30:58|620</wrap>itself. <wrap hide>223|00:31:00|500|00:31:07|940</wrap>So let's see, what is said here of the general period through which the man passes in Scorpio, <wrap hide>224|00:31:07|940|00:31:14|020</wrap>when he is beginning to be a somewhat mental man, though not necessarily an integrated <wrap hide>225|00:31:14|020|00:31:19|460</wrap>personality, or perhaps integrated—he's selfishly integrated, and he's not yet a reorienting <wrap hide>226|00:31:20|220|00:31:26|600</wrap>personality. So the mind becomes sharper—that's Mars—and more penetrating, Pluto, and the <wrap hide>227|00:31:26|600|00:31:33|360</wrap>senses more acute. The mind can be used as an instrument of power and investigation. <wrap hide>228|00:31:33|360|00:31:39|420</wrap>So Mars ruling concrete science, and Pluto research and investigation. The personality <wrap hide>229|00:31:39|420|00:31:47|560</wrap>is being integrated in a lower sense around the factor of power and assertion. The man <wrap hide>230|00:31:47|560|00:31:55|400</wrap>is becoming a personality which uses increasing mental power to fight for its own intentions <wrap hide>231|00:31:55|400|00:32:03|340</wrap>and desires. The mind can be used as an instrument to attain one's desires. The mental power <wrap hide>232|00:32:03|360|00:32:10|560</wrap>of the total hydra becomes a factor to reckon with, and the vices of pride, separativeness, <wrap hide>233|00:32:10|900|00:32:18|600</wrap>and cruelty. These are the three which D.K. has given us. The factors of pride, separativeness, <wrap hide>234|00:32:18|800|00:32:23|520</wrap>and cruelty, all based upon the cultivation of the concrete mind, are recognized, and <wrap hide>235|00:32:23|520|00:32:30|900</wrap>the man may fall under this sway, as he needs soul power still to be developed in order <wrap hide>236|00:32:30|900|00:32:33|020</wrap>to conquer these three. <wrap hide>237|00:32:34|760|00:32:40|200</wrap>You know, I put these together within the last couple of years, and I'm kind of interested <wrap hide>238|00:32:40|200|00:32:46|220</wrap>to see actually what I did, but I'll have to do that at a time that's not at your expense. <wrap hide>239|00:32:49|480|00:32:54|600</wrap>It would be, you know, when we can read the Akashic record and we can see how people actually <wrap hide>240|00:32:54|600|00:33:02|100</wrap>did behave in these various periods of their development, and when we can know the signs <wrap hide>241|00:33:02|100|00:33:07|180</wrap>in which they are born and under which they are born and study these horoscopes, it may <wrap hide>242|00:33:07|180|00:33:12|200</wrap>not be the most profitable thing to do, but it will certainly be interesting in terms <wrap hide>243|00:33:12|200|00:33:15|300</wrap>of confirming these various theories. <wrap hide>244|00:33:18|120|00:33:23|760</wrap>Okay, the associate with mental phase, clockwise Mars, has ruled the third decan. Yes. <wrap hide>245|00:33:24|720|00:33:37|640</wrap>Okay. I see it's up here that we have to look. Yeah, this is the place. So, again, I'm using <wrap hide>246|00:33:37|640|00:33:51|400</wrap>the Cancer, Pisces, and Scorpio ideas preeminently, and also then, in a way, the Moon, Jupiter, <wrap hide>247|00:33:51|400|00:34:01|220</wrap>and Mars ideas. It seems more difficult to work—more difficult somehow to work in the <wrap hide>248|00:34:01|220|00:34:13|180</wrap>Sepharial Mars and, well, especially Venus, Sun and Venus aspects. That seems more difficult, <wrap hide>249|00:34:13|760|00:34:15|840</wrap>because perhaps they just aren't correct. <wrap hide>250|00:34:17|260|00:34:30|060</wrap>Okay, now we move on into an area which concerns us in a way. We are making the turn. We have <wrap hide>251|00:34:30|060|00:34:38|580</wrap>moved from 30 to 20, 20 to 10, 10 to 0. We have been moving backwards, or clockwise, <wrap hide>252|00:34:38|580|00:34:52|200</wrap>through the decanates, and now we're about to make the turn toward some degree of aspiration. <wrap hide>253|00:34:53|600|00:34:59|620</wrap>So this is the fourth phase of development. It's not strictly physical, it's not strictly <wrap hide>254|00:34:59|620|00:35:06|600</wrap>emotional, it's not strictly mental. It is having to do with the integrating personality <wrap hide>255|00:35:07|460|00:35:14|720</wrap>and with the aspirational phase later of this integrating personality. So the individual <wrap hide>256|00:35:14|720|00:35:21|040</wrap>at this point is still pretty much under the orthodox ruler because he's not yet fully <wrap hide>257|00:35:21|040|00:35:29|260</wrap>responding to the soul. He's still responding to personal Mars and Pluto, more to Pluto <wrap hide>258|00:35:29|260|00:35:35|360</wrap>unconsciously, perhaps. D.K. has told us that the only people who really respond to Pluto <wrap hide>259|00:35:35|360|00:35:42|860</wrap>consciously are those who are disciples. But he's gradually coming under a higher Mars, <wrap hide>260|00:35:43|860|00:35:48|400</wrap>with Mars as the esoteric ruler of Scorpio, because he's reorienting himself gradually <wrap hide>261|00:35:49|080|00:35:56|180</wrap>towards the soul. And sometimes when I look at this fourth phase in human development, <wrap hide>262|00:35:56|200|00:36:04|120</wrap>I want to correlate it with the certain developments in the fifth petal of the egoic lotus, where <wrap hide>263|00:36:04|120|00:36:14|240</wrap>a person is integrating his personality, perhaps selfishly at first, and then goes <wrap hide>264|00:36:14|240|00:36:21|560</wrap>through a number of crises which help him make the first kind of reversal of the wheel. <wrap hide>265|00:36:22|620|00:36:28|340</wrap>And then he begins to become an aspirant, all of this within the fifth petal, such that <wrap hide>266|00:36:28|340|00:36:34|480</wrap>by the time the fifth petal is completely unfolded, he is already an initiate of the <wrap hide>267|00:36:34|480|00:36:41|420</wrap>first degree—excuse me—of the first degree. So we can see how many lives <wrap hide>268|00:36:42|240|00:36:47|180</wrap>it may take to pass through this fifth petal activity. <wrap hide>269|00:36:48|740|00:36:55|900</wrap>So what is said here about Mars at this point of personality integration and reorientation, <wrap hide>270|00:36:57|260|00:37:01|860</wrap>eventual reorientation, is that Mars, who is the ruler of the lunar lords, which is <wrap hide>271|00:37:01|860|00:37:08|320</wrap>the sixth grade of hierarchy, generically rules the entire personality, as well as every <wrap hide>272|00:37:08|320|00:37:14|980</wrap>part of it, consisting of the four lunar elementals: physical, emotional, mental, and the composite <wrap hide>273|00:37:14|980|00:37:21|700</wrap>elemental we call the personal. This personality is now selfishly integrated and powerful. <wrap hide>274|00:37:22|380|00:37:29|020</wrap>Solar plexus energy is strong, but so is the mind, and I suppose the Ajna center to direct <wrap hide>275|00:37:29|020|00:37:34|540</wrap>the throat center is becoming strong, the Ajna center for selfish personal direction <wrap hide>276|00:37:34|540|00:37:40|100</wrap>is becoming strong. So is the mind, and so is the personal will. The man becomes the <wrap hide>277|00:37:40|920|00:37:46|540</wrap>fighter. He's still under Mars. Well, he stays under Mars in Scorpio for so long. <wrap hide>278|00:37:46|540|00:37:53|680</wrap>First, fighting for himself in the earlier part of the petal stimulation and organization, <wrap hide>279|00:37:53|700|00:38:02|240</wrap>and later, fighting to reach the higher self, which he begins to sense. So this is the transformation <wrap hide>280|00:38:02|240|00:38:11|760</wrap>into aspiration. The aspiration fueled by Mars leads him into what's called a conflict <wrap hide>281|00:38:11|760|00:38:23|160</wrap>with duality, and that's a statement which is listed under the column for advancing man, <wrap hide>282|00:38:24|400|00:38:30|600</wrap>presumably the aspirant. A conflict with duality, and he begins to engage in a battle within <wrap hide>283|00:38:30|600|00:38:38|280</wrap>himself, and both for and at times against the influence of the soul. So he's increasingly <wrap hide>284|00:38:38|280|00:38:46|000</wrap>becoming advanced man, whether selfishly so or better yet, increasingly selfless, although <wrap hide>285|00:38:46|000|00:38:52|760</wrap>Mars is above all the planet of selfishness. So there's so much selfishness to overcome <wrap hide>286|00:38:52|760|00:39:00|240</wrap>in Mars which is finally overcome to a significant degree, though not completely so, at the second <wrap hide>287|00:39:00|240|00:39:05|200</wrap>initiation. But we're not talking about that yet. We're still at the stage of the integrating <wrap hide>288|00:39:05|200|00:39:14|880</wrap>and aspiring personality. He may unify the personality so that it becomes very selfish, <wrap hide>289|00:39:16|380|00:39:20|860</wrap>exemplifying the dominance of all the nine heads of the hydra, or he may begin to realize <wrap hide>290|00:39:21|490|00:39:32|480</wrap>that these are factors to be overcome. Now, we are beginning to, let us say, reverse <wrap hide>291|00:39:33|180|00:39:39|940</wrap>the wheel, maybe not the final reversal of the wheel, which can occur, as one very good <wrap hide>292|00:39:39|940|00:39:46|660</wrap>astrological theorist says, more so after the second initiation and after having passed <wrap hide>293|00:39:46|660|00:39:53|260</wrap>the temptations in the desert. Then there's no more possibility to move in a retrogressive <wrap hide>294|00:39:53|260|00:40:00|360</wrap>left-hand way. But this is certainly a reversal, and it is centered in the fifth petal. So <wrap hide>295|00:40:02|480|00:40:08|900</wrap>Here in the first decanate, from zero to ten, at this stage of personality integration followed <wrap hide>296|00:40:08|900|00:40:15|240</wrap>by personality aspiration, we can say it's ruled by Mars, as Alan Leo suggests, and even <wrap hide>297|00:40:15|240|00:40:22|160</wrap>as Sepharial suggests. The man becomes a powerful, assertive personality, using his mind, controlling <wrap hide>298|00:40:22|160|00:40:28|040</wrap>his emotions, disciplining his physical body to fulfill his intentions, desires, and instinctual <wrap hide>299|00:40:28|800|00:40:38|500</wrap>promptings. He is a fighter. He is... um, no, might as well put the article in there. He <wrap hide>300|00:40:38|500|00:40:45|920</wrap>is a fighter, at first for himself, and later he begins to reach for and fight for something <wrap hide>301|00:40:45|920|00:40:51|180</wrap>higher. He is no longer entirely under the control of the lower serpent. Remember, Serpens <wrap hide>302|00:40:51|180|00:40:56|900</wrap>is connected with this decanate, so it can be dangerous, but now the power of the serpent <wrap hide>303|00:40:57|320|00:41:06|880</wrap>is being properly used because Ophiuchus has learned how to tame it. The Scorpio individual <wrap hide>304|00:41:06|880|00:41:15|620</wrap>comes under the effect of all three of the extra-zodiacal constellations, and not only <wrap hide>305|00:41:15|620|00:41:23|400</wrap>under the one which we have been correlating with the particular... a particular decanate. <wrap hide>306|00:41:23|400|00:41:29|540</wrap>Now Alice Bailey has kind of suggested what this correlation could be by giving these <wrap hide>307|00:41:29|540|00:41:34|180</wrap>extra-zodiacal constellations in a certain order, but it's Nicholas Nelenn who has done <wrap hide>308|00:41:34|180|00:41:45|000</wrap>the real thought process here, connecting the extra-zodiacal constellations with the <wrap hide>309|00:41:45|000|00:41:52|880</wrap>decans of the... with the decans of the sign. Now it's not that we necessarily agree upon <wrap hide>310|00:41:52|880|00:41:59|200</wrap>every correlation, but the general concept of this correlation of the extra-zodiacals <wrap hide>311|00:41:59|200|00:42:08|720</wrap>with the decans of the sign was emphasized by him. He seems to have brought forward this <wrap hide>312|00:42:08|720|00:42:13|200</wrap>idea and established it as something worth researching. <wrap hide>313|00:42:14|140|00:42:22|860</wrap>So, let's see here. I seem to have moved a little bit... I think, a little bit further <wrap hide>314|00:42:22|880|00:42:27|480</wrap>away from it. Yeah, here it is. Okay. So he's no longer entirely under the control of the <wrap hide>315|00:42:27|480|00:42:36|200</wrap>lower serpent, the threefold personality. Now, later, of course, he manages to extricate <wrap hide>316|00:42:36|200|00:42:43|760</wrap>himself entirely. Earlier, he almost is the serpent. He is the Hydra. So we have to distinguish <wrap hide>317|00:42:43|760|00:42:49|860</wrap>very carefully between those people who pretty much are the Hydra, because they identify <wrap hide>318|00:42:49|860|00:42:55|320</wrap>with all their lower instincts, those people who are neither one nor the other because <wrap hide>319|00:42:55|320|00:43:03|040</wrap>they're in the stage of conflicting life. They are undergoing conflict with duality, <wrap hide>320|00:43:03|040|00:43:08|160</wrap>and they're fighting to be free of the Hydra, but they're not free. And then those higher <wrap hide>321|00:43:08|160|00:43:11|980</wrap>disciples and initiates who actually are free of the Hydra. <wrap hide>322|00:43:13|220|00:43:22|920</wrap>Okay, so now we're in this stage of personality integration and of personality reorientation, <wrap hide>323|00:43:23|570|00:43:31|280</wrap>and we are reversing our direction, and we are under Jupiter ruling the second decanate. <wrap hide>324|00:43:31|400|00:43:38|180</wrap>We'll use the Alan Leo rulers, and I think they are the safest at this point, especially <wrap hide>325|00:43:38|180|00:43:44|200</wrap>when we're dealing with spiritually evolving man. And aspiring man is spiritually evolving <wrap hide>326|00:43:44|200|00:43:48|720</wrap>man. So now we're in the Jupiter decanate, and it says here that the lower ego expands <wrap hide>327|00:43:48|720|00:43:58|000</wrap>at first. The man becomes attractive and magnetic. Jupiter and Sepharial's placing of the sun <wrap hide>328|00:43:58|000|00:44:08|160</wrap>there. And that may still apply, because the man is still pretty much a person. He's not <wrap hide>329|00:44:08|160|00:44:17|560</wrap>to cure and to offset harm, to render certain harmful situations harmless. Jupiter is involved <wrap hide>330|00:44:17|560|00:44:25|340</wrap>here. It's a planet of blessing, and Ophiuchus, the healer, so the cure, the one who cures. <wrap hide>331|00:44:25|740|00:44:31|620</wrap>His helpfulness and benevolence are increasing. He has increasing knowledge and some wisdom <wrap hide>332|00:44:31|960|00:44:40|440</wrap>to control the lower forces, and I would add here, the lower forces of the serpent, which <wrap hide>333|00:44:40|440|00:44:49|720</wrap>is increasingly handled. Sometimes we call Ophiuchus the serpent handler, the serpent <wrap hide>334|00:44:49|720|00:44:50|840</wrap>holder, the serpent handler. <wrap hide>335|00:44:52|000|00:45:01|600</wrap>Now we move into the lunar area. The moon rules the moon. The moon rules the moon, and <wrap hide>336|00:45:01|620|00:45:13|180</wrap>rules the last... Yes, according to the Tibetan, the moon rules the last decanate of Cancer. <wrap hide>337|00:45:14|160|00:45:18|840</wrap>Now we might not think it to be the case, but that's what he gives us. But really, it <wrap hide>338|00:45:18|840|00:45:24|900</wrap>becomes quite clear that the moon is veiling Vulcan in ruling the last decanate of Cancer. <wrap hide>339|00:45:24|900|00:45:35|360</wrap>Now here we have the ordinary Hindu order. We have Alan Leo's Mars, Jupiter, and the <wrap hide>340|00:45:35|360|00:45:42|660</wrap>moon. Now the question is, will we substitute another planet? Stephen Pugh suggests Pluto. <wrap hide>341|00:45:43|760|00:45:51|760</wrap>I'm wondering about Vulcan. What I'm saying here is that the man exerts a conditioning <wrap hide>342|00:45:51|760|00:46:01|140</wrap>effect upon his personality vehicles. He learns the power of control. Okay. The power of control <wrap hide>343|00:46:01|140|00:46:08|980</wrap>of his personality vehicles. Now Hercules, of course, is the mythological figure, or <wrap hide>344|00:46:08|980|00:46:15|960</wrap>really a true figure, but he has been mythologized, so what he is mythologically can also be consulted. <wrap hide>345|00:46:16|780|00:46:24|180</wrap>Hercules is a controlling figure. Through his might, through his power, he controls <wrap hide>346|00:46:24|180|00:46:31|560</wrap>many circumstances, defeats many opposing forces, and kills many opponents. He smites <wrap hide>347|00:46:32|540|00:46:39|660</wrap>them, so to speak. When I'm thinking about smiting, I'm thinking very much about Vulcan. <wrap hide>348|00:46:39|940|00:46:47|840</wrap>It's the hammer. If you have in your hand an implement, a weapon, a mace, whereby you <wrap hide>349|00:46:47|840|00:46:54|240</wrap>eliminate an opponent, that is a Vulcanian gesture. Perhaps to shoot an arrow, especially <wrap hide>350|00:46:54|240|00:47:00|680</wrap>a poisoned arrow, is more a Plutonian gesture. His strength of will is increasing. He moves <wrap hide>351|00:47:00|680|00:47:08|420</wrap>from protecting and defending himself, as he did so much under the moon, from 30 to <wrap hide>352|00:47:08|420|00:47:20|100</wrap>20 degrees, when he was simply the average non-aspiring person, or even a primitive person. <wrap hide>353|00:47:20|120|00:47:23|240</wrap>So his strength of will is increasing, and he moves from protecting and defending himself <wrap hide>354|00:47:23|240|00:47:32|360</wrap>to protecting and defending others. Some aspect of unselfishness is entering. He has certain <wrap hide>355|00:47:32|360|00:47:39|160</wrap>ideals towards which he has reoriented himself, and he has the strength to do this. I guess <wrap hide>356|00:47:39|160|00:47:45|920</wrap>it's been a while since I've looked at this, but what I have done, actually, is I've suggested <wrap hide>357|00:47:48|660|00:47:59|360</wrap>that Vulcan may indeed be the new planet arising in this sign. I've suggested that. <wrap hide>358|00:48:02|360|00:48:10|040</wrap>Let's see. A new planet is arising in this sign. I want also to look at how he discusses <wrap hide>359|00:48:10|040|00:48:17|140</wrap>the battle for the third initiation. And I'm going to go over here in Esoteric Astrology, <wrap hide>360|00:48:17|900|00:48:29|440</wrap>and I'm going to go to page 71. And he calls it a hidden planet. At the third initiation, <wrap hide>361|00:48:29|440|00:48:36|200</wrap>the moon veiling a hidden planet and Mars brings about a fearful conflict, but at the <wrap hide>362|00:48:36|200|00:48:42|120</wrap>end, the man is released from personality control. So I'm wondering whether the hidden <wrap hide>363|00:48:42|120|00:48:51|400</wrap>planet here, which shows itself at the third initiation, which I really think is Vulcan, <wrap hide>364|00:48:52|400|00:49:02|960</wrap>is the same as the new planet which is arising in this sign. It would at least conform to <wrap hide>365|00:49:02|960|00:49:20|000</wrap>the intra-Saturnian model which has been used. When we start to insert trans-Saturnian planets <wrap hide>366|00:49:20|000|00:49:29|220</wrap>as decanate rulers, we are on uncertain ground. Now sometimes D.K. gives kind of an association <wrap hide>367|00:49:30|500|00:49:37|060</wrap>here. I think we are going to find a place where he talks about the moon actually standing <wrap hide>368|00:49:37|060|00:49:45|880</wrap>for Uranus, representing concrete unenlightened science. There are a few hints which seem <wrap hide>369|00:49:45|880|00:49:56|060</wrap>to extend beyond Saturn, but not very many at all, and perhaps we should be cautious <wrap hide>370|00:49:56|850|00:50:05|140</wrap>in assigning trans-Saturnian planets. Of course we cannot yet determine what is accurate. <wrap hide>371|00:50:06|340|00:50:15|860</wrap>Now let's move on away from the stage of aspiration into a still higher stage, which <wrap hide>372|00:50:16|720|00:50:28|120</wrap>is the stage of discipleship. I'm trying to line all this up after a number of years. <wrap hide>373|00:50:29|740|00:50:39|460</wrap>This is that stage of development in which the man becomes the disciple, mentally responsive <wrap hide>374|00:50:39|460|00:50:48|820</wrap>to the soul, aspirationally oriented towards the soul, one who is in process of transformation, <wrap hide>375|00:50:49|300|00:50:58|820</wrap>even as the aspirant is in process of transmutation. But of course the transmutative power continues <wrap hide>376|00:50:58|820|00:51:06|220</wrap>even while one is a disciple. So now we're still under Mars, but it's not the lower desirous <wrap hide>377|00:51:08|080|00:51:22|080</wrap>Mars; it's aspirational, noble, valorous Mars, the high-minded fighter for something <wrap hide>378|00:51:22|080|00:51:28|300</wrap>greater than his lower self. So under the influence of higher Mars Pluto, with Mars <wrap hide>379|00:51:28|650|00:51:34|120</wrap>as the principle esoteric ruler, but having intimations of the power of Mercury on three <wrap hide>380|00:51:34|120|00:51:39|760</wrap>levels: the concrete mind, the son of mind, and eventually the power of the intuition. <wrap hide>381|00:51:40|260|00:51:50|280</wrap>So Mercury is coming. Mercury is another ruler, the final ruler, which we have to insert when <wrap hide>382|00:51:50|280|00:51:59|300</wrap>we begin to consider that the man may be influenced by his spirit aspect. So under the influence <wrap hide>383|00:51:59|300|00:52:04|920</wrap>of higher Mars at this time, Mars being the principle ruler, but there are intimations <wrap hide>384|00:52:04|920|00:52:09|040</wrap>coming in of Mercury because the disciple is mentally polarized and Mercury is such <wrap hide>385|00:52:09|040|00:52:14|380</wrap>a mental planet. So we may be feeling the presence of Mercury, and Mercury is very, <wrap hide>386|00:52:14|540|00:52:21|620</wrap>very strong in Scorpio anyway, helping to overcome the emotions and later to bring illumination. <wrap hide>387|00:52:22|510|00:52:31|720</wrap>So what I say of this general period, regardless of the particular decanate that may be concerned, <wrap hide>388|00:52:32|940|00:52:43|340</wrap>is as follows: That the disciple is fully engaged in the conflict with duality. The <wrap hide>389|00:52:43|340|00:52:48|340</wrap>pairs of opposites in this case are just very simply soul and personality. He is the fighter <wrap hide>390|00:52:48|340|00:52:55|060</wrap>within the personality and on behalf of the soul nature. He's not fighting for his personality <wrap hide>391|00:52:55|060|00:53:00|620</wrap>expression. At least he knows that's not the correct thing to do. If he finds himself doing <wrap hide>392|00:53:00|620|00:53:06|340</wrap>that, then he changes his position in the battle and reasserts himself on behalf of <wrap hide>393|00:53:06|340|00:53:13|320</wrap>the soul over the personality. He recognizes the hydra as his opponent and dweller, and <wrap hide>394|00:53:13|320|00:53:18|420</wrap>is engaged in the conflict to overcome it. This is quite different from the early Scorpionic <wrap hide>395|00:53:18|420|00:53:25|160</wrap>experience of identifying as the dweller, even though this type of identification is <wrap hide>396|00:53:25|160|00:53:32|760</wrap>unconscious at that stage. Here's a quotation in Scorpio: "In this sign, the disciple undergoes <wrap hide>397|00:53:32|760|00:53:39|560</wrap>those tests which will enable him to take the second initiation and demonstrate that <wrap hide>398|00:53:39|560|00:53:46|360</wrap>the desire nature is subdued and conquered, and that the lower nature is, by being lifted <wrap hide>399|00:53:46|360|00:53:52|600</wrap>up in the air (i.e., into heaven), capable of reaching the goal for this world period." It <wrap hide>400|00:53:52|600|00:53:57|740</wrap>doesn't necessarily mean it has reached the goal, but it is capable of reaching the goal <wrap hide>401|00:53:57|740|00:54:04|040</wrap>for this world period. And what may that be? The fourth initiation, perhaps? What do we <wrap hide>402|00:54:04|040|00:54:12|640</wrap>actually mean by a world period? Do we mean the duration of our particular planet? Do <wrap hide>403|00:54:12|640|00:54:19|400</wrap>we mean some round that is passing through all the schemes? Do we even mean some round <wrap hide>404|00:54:19|400|00:54:27|040</wrap>that is passing through all the chains? It's a vague term, but he gives indication by passing <wrap hide>405|00:54:27|040|00:54:34|380</wrap>the second initiation that he has entered the stream, and that he will be borne along <wrap hide>406|00:54:34|380|00:54:41|860</wrap>and carried along towards the fulfillment that lies ahead—certainly the fulfillment <wrap hide>407|00:54:41|860|00:54:52|420</wrap>of the fourth degree. And that from the earthly foundations of Scorpio, under the third ray, <wrap hide>408|00:54:52|420|00:54:59|920</wrap>I suppose, the personality can be so tested that it shows fitness for the world service <wrap hide>409|00:55:01|340|00:55:08|540</wrap>demanded in Aquarius. And we did discuss this earlier, the relationship between Scorpio <wrap hide>410|00:55:09|480|00:55:15|520</wrap>and Aquarius—how the world server is prepared by the tests in Scorpio. This is beautifully <wrap hide>411|00:55:15|520|00:55:20|420</wrap>expressed for us in the Legend of Hercules, the sun God who overcomes the nine-headed <wrap hide>412|00:55:20|420|00:55:28|340</wrap>hydra or serpent of desire by being forced to his knees, and from that position of humility <wrap hide>413|00:55:28|340|00:55:38|760</wrap>lifts the serpent into the air. And then deliverance comes. So we did read this earlier when discussing, <wrap hide>414|00:55:38|780|00:55:50|400</wrap>I think, the fixed signs from Esoteric Astrology, 143 and 144. Okay, now I think—okay, I'm <wrap hide>415|00:55:50|420|00:56:02|820</wrap>done. So now I think it's time to look at what it will mean to go, to live this disciplic <wrap hide>416|00:56:02|820|00:56:08|760</wrap>soul experience as a disciple in Scorpio, or perhaps under Scorpio, in certain of the <wrap hide>417|00:56:08|760|00:56:18|080</wrap>decanates. And we're using the Alan Leo order here; we're using Mars, Jupiter, and the Moon, <wrap hide>418|00:56:18|580|00:56:26|880</wrap>perhaps veiling Vulcan. At times I work in other of the suggestions here, but we just <wrap hide>419|00:56:26|880|00:56:38|800</wrap>have too many planets for the decanates, although when he gives us Gemini, we interestingly <wrap hide>420|00:56:39|720|00:56:48|060</wrap>have six planets given, I think. Let's see if I can see that under—I think it's <wrap hide>421|00:56:48|080|00:56:57|700</wrap>Gemini moving up here on this table of decanates. And here is the yellow, which makes it difficult <wrap hide>422|00:56:57|700|00:57:06|160</wrap>to see, but yes, Alan Leo gives—Sepharial gives us Jupiter, Mars, Sun, and D.K. says it's <wrap hide>423|00:57:06|160|00:57:17|260</wrap>correct. In this case, the Chaldean listing is correct. And then Alan Leo gives us Mercury, <wrap hide>424|00:57:17|260|00:57:30|020</wrap>Venus, and Saturn. So there are six operative planets here, and each one of them is associated <wrap hide>425|00:57:30|020|00:57:37|380</wrap>with one of the six decanates. There are really three decanates, but if you take them in two <wrap hide>426|00:57:37|380|00:57:44|440</wrap>directions, you have to think about there being six. And generically, at least, there is the <wrap hide>427|00:57:44|440|00:57:50|600</wrap>sense of a developmental phase from the dense physical through the emotional to the mental, <wrap hide>428|00:57:51|440|00:57:56|980</wrap>through the personal (whether selfish or reoriented), through soul responsiveness, and then finally <wrap hide>429|00:57:56|980|00:57:59|320</wrap>through spirit responsiveness. <wrap hide>430|00:58:00|200|00:58:14|420</wrap>Okay. Now, I think we're getting near—yes, we're quite near to our goal of the whole <wrap hide>431|00:58:14|440|00:58:21|440</wrap>one-hour program, hoping that this makes it a little bit easier for you to handle these. <wrap hide>432|00:58:24|380|00:58:31|600</wrap>I think I won't do The Great Invocation at this point. I'll wait until the end of the <wrap hide>433|00:58:32|130|00:58:43|920</wrap>two hours. Well, no, no, I won't. We're in the phase of disciplic soul. Okay. Now, we're <wrap hide>434|00:58:43|920|00:58:53|840</wrap>starting out with the Mars decanate. The disciple is overcoming his hydra on all levels. He <wrap hide>435|00:58:53|840|00:59:00|220</wrap>has courage—Mars, that's the ruler of this first decanate—and the power to terminate <wrap hide>436|00:59:00|220|00:59:06|020</wrap>and detach. That's Pluto. He is definitely fighting with his inherent duality in order <wrap hide>437|00:59:06|020|00:59:13|900</wrap>to achieve a higher unity, which he recognizes as spiritual. Now, that, I think, is the most— <wrap hide>438|00:59:13|920|00:59:25|700</wrap>higher unity is found over here. Let's take a look at this: page 333. Here is the higher <wrap hide>439|00:59:25|700|00:59:33|880</wrap>unity which the true disciple or initiate achieves. But at the moment, he's engaged <wrap hide>440|00:59:33|880|00:59:42|380</wrap>in conflict with duality, moving towards the higher unity of the high disciple. Some Kundalini <wrap hide>441|00:59:42|380|00:59:47|180</wrap>experiences may emerge. Mars is involved with that. But it can be questioned whether they <wrap hide>442|00:59:47|180|00:59:55|140</wrap>can be controlled. For the disciple who is responding to the soul, this disciple being <wrap hide>443|00:59:55|140|01:00:03|620</wrap>an initiate of less than the third degree, the control of Kundalini is not likely. Okay. <wrap hide>444|01:00:03|620|01:00:13|960</wrap>At least the full control. Now, we have reached the point where we can say, okay, we're beginning <wrap hide>445|01:00:13|960|01:00:33|600</wrap>Esoteric Astrology adventure, number 80, and this is the end of EAA 80, section A. So, <wrap hide>446|01:00:33|660|01:00:49|000</wrap>we are here discussing disciple soul in relation to the decanates. And now we begin EAA 80, <wrap hide>447|01:00:49|580|01:01:03|600</wrap>section B, discussing the disciple soul phase in relation to the second decan ruled by Jupiter. <wrap hide>448|01:01:03|620|01:01:04|180</wrap>Okay.+<wrap hide>1|00:00:00|000|00:00:12|600</wrap>Okay. Hi, friends. We are beginning Esoteric Astrology Adventure 80, 8-0, the A section <wrap hide>2|00:00:12|600|00:00:18|800</wrap>of this on page 226, and we're about ready to get into a discussion of the decanates <wrap hide>3|00:00:19|280|00:00:31|380</wrap>as they are found in Scorpio. <wrap quote>The three decanates and their rulers are given very differently <wrap hide>4|00:00:31|380|00:00:47|500</wrap>by various astrologers. One group posits Mars, the Sun and Venus</wrap> and this would be the <wrap hide>5|00:00:47|500|00:00:53|540</wrap>Sepharial, or Sepharial being the foremost spokesman for that group that studies the <wrap hide>6|00:00:53|540|00:01:00|560</wrap>ancient Chaldean method, <wrap quote>as ruling the decanates of Scorpio whilst another regards Mars, Jupiter and <wrap hide>7|00:01:00|560|00:01:07|660</wrap>the Moon as the three rulers.</wrap> and this is Alan Leo following the Hindu system, where <wrap hide>8|00:01:08|160|00:01:14|380</wrap>Mars is the ruler of Scorpio, Scorpio, sub-Scorpio. Then, since Jupiter is the ruler of Pisces, <wrap hide>9|00:01:14|380|00:01:19|000</wrap>Scorpio sub-Pisces would be Jupiter, and Scorpio sub-Cancer, the Moon. <wrap hide>10|00:01:21|300|00:01:30|180</wrap><wrap quote>Perhaps the truth lies in both conclusions, if we view them from <wrap hide>11|00:01:30|180|00:01:39|420</wrap>the esoteric standpoint or from that of the undeveloped man. This will be an interesting <wrap hide>12|00:01:39|420|00:01:45|820</wrap>point for astrologers to investigate and study.</wrap> So he's opening the door to further study <wrap hide>13|00:01:45|820|00:01:50|980</wrap>here. <wrap quote>Some day they will arrive at a clear decision</wrap> whether it will be correct or not, <wrap hide>14|00:01:51|040|00:01:56|720</wrap>but it will be at least a clear decision, <wrap quote>as to the position of the five planets suggested <wrap hide>1|00:00:00|000|00:00:12|600</wrap>as ruling the decanates (they agree on one);</wrap> and the one they agree upon, I guess, <wrap hide>16|00:02:05|720|00:02:17|540</wrap>is Mars. Mars, yes. <wrap quote>I cannot indicate to you the essential truth because a new <wrap hide>17|00:02:17|540|00:02:25|460</wrap>planet is arising in this sign and it is for man to discover and rightly place it within <wrap hide>18|00:02:25|460|00:02:30|500</wrap>the circumference of the Great Wheel.</wrap> Now, some have felt that this new planet is Pluto, <wrap hide>19|00:02:31|020|00:02:46|140</wrap>but if you look closely, there is no trans-Saturnian planet indicated in the decanates, which the <wrap hide>20|00:02:46|140|00:02:56|360</wrap>Tibetan gives. Vulcan is sometimes veiled, and perhaps occasionally, Uranus is implied, <wrap hide>21|00:02:56|360|00:03:07|040</wrap>but generally all the planets lie within the orbit of Saturn. We have as well the issue <wrap hide>22|00:03:07|040|00:03:17|220</wrap>of whether Pluto should be considered a new planet, because it had been discovered by <wrap hide>23|00:03:17|220|00:03:26|340</wrap>the time the Tibetan was writing this book in the mid-thirties. So we have to see, and <wrap hide>24|00:03:26|360|00:03:37|200</wrap>whether the planet will be an intra-Saturnian planet, or whether it will be Pluto. It is <wrap hide>25|00:03:37|200|00:03:43|520</wrap>difficult to determine at this point, and he has not offered us a solution. <wrap hide>26|00:03:48|900|00:03:56|340</wrap>The decanate wheels that I have worked out, the tabulation, goes as you would expect. <wrap hide>27|00:03:56|360|00:04:09|840</wrap>As usual, in the clockwise wheel, from 30 to 20 Scorpio, and then from 20 to 10, and <wrap hide>28|00:04:09|840|00:04:19|920</wrap>then from 10 to 0. So, the zodiacal ruler of the decanates, of course Scorpio, sub-Scorpio, <wrap hide>29|00:04:20|150|00:04:30|560</wrap>sub-Pisces, Scorpio, sub-Cancer. The extra-zodiacal constellations, which we may be able to associate <wrap hide>30|00:04:30|560|00:04:40|780</wrap>with the various decanates, are the serpent, Serpens, then the healer, Ophiuchus. Some <wrap hide>31|00:04:40|780|00:04:49|900</wrap>have thought of Ophiuchus as being yet another constellation, zodiacal constellation, and <wrap hide>32|00:04:50|960|00:04:58|140</wrap>some have wanted to add Orion to the zodiacal constellations. <wrap hide>33|00:04:59|040|00:05:09|780</wrap>But since the zodiacal constellations are a twelve-petaled heart center within the head <wrap hide>34|00:05:09|780|00:05:19|900</wrap>center of the great supracosmic Logos, the one about whom naught may be said, it does <wrap hide>35|00:05:19|900|00:05:25|780</wrap>not mean thirteen or fourteen. As far as we know, all heart centers, including the <wrap hide>36|00:05:25|780|00:05:32|760</wrap>heart centers within the head of the human being as well, have twelve petals. And so <wrap hide>37|00:05:34|940|00:05:47|460</wrap>Scorpius and Ophiuchus are blended together in one constellation. The further constellation <wrap hide>38|00:05:47|460|00:05:58|000</wrap>is Hercules. And of course, it would be interesting to see if we could get a picture of that. <wrap hide>39|00:06:04|380|00:06:11|400</wrap>Now there are different theorists who have offered good thought concerning the decanates. <wrap hide>40|00:06:11|400|00:06:19|580</wrap>This is the wheel as put together by Nicholas Dévore. And in this case, the outer wheel <wrap hide>41|00:06:19|580|00:06:28|160</wrap>is the wheel of consciousness, and he gives us the same planets as does Alan Leo, Mars, <wrap hide>42|00:06:28|920|00:06:35|540</wrap>Jupiter and the Moon, but there is a question. And then considering the reversing wheel, <wrap hide>43|00:06:36|160|00:06:43|500</wrap>or rather the clockwise wheel, interiorly there is the backward sequence of Mars, the <wrap hide>44|00:06:43|500|00:06:55|160</wrap>Sun and Venus, but Venus is questioned. When it comes to Steven Pugh's work, he does this <wrap hide>45|00:06:55|160|00:07:03|860</wrap>a little differently, and he includes Pluto. Now for him, the inner wheel is the reversed <wrap hide>46|00:07:03|860|00:07:10|920</wrap>wheel. So we have Mars, which everyone is agreeing upon, but then Venus is interpolated <wrap hide>47|00:07:11|980|00:07:19|080</wrap>instead of Jupiter, and Pluto—well, let's see, it goes Mars, Sun. Venus is interpolated <wrap hide>48|00:07:19|080|00:07:31|860</wrap>instead of the Sun. And Pluto instead of Venus. Then moving backwards, he does not use Sepharial's <wrap hide>49|00:07:31|860|00:07:38|220</wrap>method. Let's see, the inner wheel is the reversed wheel, so it should be, according <wrap hide>50|00:07:38|220|00:07:45|360</wrap>to Alan Leo, Mars, Jupiter, Moon, but instead we have Mars, Venus, Pluto. You notice that <wrap hide>51|00:07:45|360|00:07:56|060</wrap>this is the only planet which is trans-Saturnian listed in the decanates. I think he's done <wrap hide>52|00:07:56|060|00:08:06|120</wrap>a very good job portraying the esoteric and exoteric colors found elsewhere in esoteric <wrap hide>53|00:08:06|120|00:08:13|440</wrap>psychology. The esoteric color of the first ray is red, and exoteric is orange. You see <wrap hide>54|00:08:13|440|00:08:26|040</wrap>the distinction there. So here for the ordinary wheel, instead of having Sepharial's model— <wrap hide>55|00:08:26|060|00:08:39|020</wrap>Mars, Sun, and Venus—we have Pluto, Venus, and Mars. So when we deal with Sepharial's <wrap hide>56|00:08:39|020|00:08:48|740</wrap>work, it's pretty clear that he intended to remain in the normal zodiacal order. So this <wrap hide>57|00:08:48|740|00:08:56|040</wrap>leaves us with some degree of ambiguity as to how we should treat his work. So let's <wrap hide>58|00:08:56|060|00:09:05|840</wrap>begin with his listing: whether we should begin with the order he intended at zero degrees—in <wrap hide>59|00:09:05|840|00:09:13|540</wrap>other words, Mars would have been 0 to 10, Sun 10 to 20, and Venus 20 to 30—or because <wrap hide>60|00:09:13|540|00:09:23|880</wrap>the wheel is reversing, we should put—not reversing, but going in an order that is clockwise <wrap hide>61|00:09:23|880|00:09:30|320</wrap>and not the usual order in which the signs are presented, a kind of backwards order—whether <wrap hide>62|00:09:30|320|00:09:38|640</wrap>we should place Mars at 30 to 20—the Sun, of course, would be 20 to 10, and Venus would <wrap hide>63|00:09:38|640|00:09:47|840</wrap>be 10 to 0. Here we have the constellations listed—the serpent, the serpent-bearer, <wrap hide>64|00:09:47|840|00:09:57|040</wrap>and the kneeling hero. Here are the Sepharial decanates. Here's Alan Leo's decanates with <wrap hide>65|00:09:57|040|00:10:03|120</wrap>the question of whether Neptune should be interpolated, but again that would be a trans-Saturnian <wrap hide>66|00:10:03|120|00:10:15|360</wrap>planet. And then another astrologer, Holger Stansberg, from Denmark will give us Mars, <wrap hide>67|00:10:15|360|00:10:22|040</wrap>Jupiter and the Moon, which is pretty much what Alan Leo has given for the wheel of form. <wrap hide>68|00:10:25|900|00:10:33|800</wrap>And Nicholas, however, is giving us—see, this is the wheel of form. Now, really the <wrap hide>69|00:10:33|800|00:10:42|360</wrap>Mars-Jupiter-Moon is more correlated with the wheel of consciousness. So you can see <wrap hide>70|00:10:42|360|00:10:51|820</wrap>there's a great deal of variation in what the various theorists conceive as correct, <wrap hide>71|00:10:51|960|00:10:57|760</wrap>one of them even inserting another planet altogether. But I do wonder here, when it <wrap hide>72|00:10:57|760|00:11:08|540</wrap>says a new planet is arising, I wonder if it's not Vulcan. Because, you know, is Pluto <wrap hide>73|00:11:08|540|00:11:17|060</wrap>a new planet? Was it a new planet? Is it arising? Was it arising in this sign? Or is the Moon <wrap hide>74|00:11:17|060|00:11:26|200</wrap>somehow veiling the willpower of Vulcan, where the Moon shows up as the decanate ruler? Vulcan <wrap hide>75|00:11:26|200|00:11:33|200</wrap>is certainly a new planet, and it has not yet been discovered, and the possibility of <wrap hide>76|00:11:33|200|00:11:39|980</wrap>its arising, I think, is very strong. So we can consider whether this would be a possibility <wrap hide>77|00:11:39|980|00:11:40|920</wrap>or not. <wrap hide>78|00:11:43|060|00:11:57|680</wrap>Okay. So here we have the chart from which I've been working. And the wheel of form, <wrap hide>79|00:11:57|680|00:12:08|220</wrap>one way of doing it, of course, is to simply reverse what Alan Leo presents to us. He presents <wrap hide>80|00:12:08|220|00:12:19|960</wrap>to us Mars, the Sun, or Mars-Jupiter, and the Moon. So if we were to have the individual, <wrap hide>81|00:12:20|780|00:12:26|740</wrap>the non-aspiring individual, enter at the 30-degree point, that would be considered <wrap hide>82|00:12:26|740|00:12:32|120</wrap>the first decanate, and the Moon would be ruling what is normally considered the last <wrap hide>83|00:12:32|120|00:12:39|580</wrap>decanate, so he would begin with the Moon. Then he would move to Jupiter, which stays <wrap hide>84|00:12:39|580|00:12:50|160</wrap>the same, and then finally to Mars, which is the 0 to 10. This seems one way of doing <wrap hide>85|00:12:50|160|00:13:00|860</wrap>it. And it culminates with the assertion of the individual, who is still less than <wrap hide>86|00:13:00|860|00:13:09|420</wrap>fully soul-oriented. He's still a mind. He is not yet really a reorienting personality. <wrap hide>87|00:13:12|440|00:13:19|600</wrap>The possibility on the reversed wheel, which is the wheel in the correct order as we understand <wrap hide>88|00:13:19|600|00:13:29|280</wrap>it, is Mars, Jupiter, and the Moon. And I'm asking here again, can the Moon in this instance <wrap hide>89|00:13:29|280|00:13:36|860</wrap>veil Vulcan, relating Hercules to the spiritual will and to the atmic plane? I've also questioned <wrap hide>90|00:13:36|860|00:13:41|920</wrap>as to whether Pluto, as the healer—he is said to be the healer with the power of the <wrap hide>91|00:13:42|620|00:13:49|580</wrap>serpent—can Pluto be involved, as this would be the Pisces decan, and Pluto is said to <wrap hide>92|00:13:49|600|00:13:57|840</wrap>be intimately connected with Pisces. It would seem possible, but interestingly, Stephen, <wrap hide>93|00:13:58|020|00:14:06|020</wrap>who is a very good thinker on these points, he puts Pluto not in the middle decanate, <wrap hide>94|00:14:06|560|00:14:12|880</wrap>but in what is either the last or the first. About that, I cannot really say anything more. <wrap hide>95|00:14:13|760|00:14:22|920</wrap>Investigation will be required. And then, of course, Mars is the first decanate. This <wrap hide>96|00:14:22|920|00:14:25|300</wrap>is the counterclockwise entry. <wrap hide>97|00:14:34|660|00:14:41|220</wrap>Now there are also some theorists who feel that there is a reversal going on, and that <wrap hide>98|00:14:41|220|00:14:48|100</wrap>Ophiuchus should not be in the central decanate, but Hercules should be there, and Ophiuchus <wrap hide>99|00:14:48|100|00:14:56|060</wrap>in the last, because he is in a way the most spiritual of the figures, of the celestial <wrap hide>100|00:14:56|060|00:15:04|020</wrap>figures. Hercules is still struggling, but Ophiuchus can handle the serpent. Certainly <wrap hide>101|00:15:04|020|00:15:11|040</wrap>there is the physician connected with this second decanate, and when we think about Pisces, <wrap hide>102|00:15:11|040|00:15:17|740</wrap>which is the ruler of the second decanate, the healing potentials of Pisces are strongly <wrap hide>103|00:15:17|740|00:15:28|300</wrap>indicated. There is a kind of Plutonic quality about this second decanate. So diverse opinions <wrap hide>104|00:15:28|300|00:15:37|720</wrap>prevail at the moment. Here we have Alan Leo's decanates listed in a way that can be seen <wrap hide>105|00:15:38|660|00:15:47|400</wrap>progressively moving. He moves from Mars to Jupiter to the Moon, and Sepharial moves from <wrap hide>106|00:15:47|400|00:15:54|080</wrap>Mars to the Sun to Venus, but we could also possibly reverse these with Mars first and <wrap hide>107|00:15:54|080|00:16:07|220</wrap>Venus last. What is problematic about beginning with Venus at any point is that it doesn't <wrap hide>108|00:16:07|220|00:16:18|940</wrap>seem to accord either with the serpent that has to be overcome or with Hercules. Venus <wrap hide>109|00:16:18|940|00:16:28|860</wrap>is not a planet resonant with the power of Hercules, and Venus is not a planet resonant <wrap hide>110|00:16:28|860|00:16:36|020</wrap>with the power of the serpent, which must be handled, which must be overcome. So in <wrap hide>111|00:16:36|020|00:16:43|020</wrap>some ways if we begin with Sepharial, it seems that we would do better to start with—well, <wrap hide>112|00:16:45|320|00:16:56|300</wrap>it is a problem either way. If we begin with Mars from 0 to—from 30 to 20 degrees, entering <wrap hide>113|00:16:56|300|00:17:03|220</wrap>the sign as it were backwards, Mars can well accord with the serpent. Perhaps the Sun can <wrap hide>114|00:17:03|220|00:17:13|860</wrap>somewhat accord with the healing power of Ophiuchus. Perhaps. Venus, however, does not <wrap hide>115|00:17:13|860|00:17:25|140</wrap>accord with Hercules. No, Venus does not well accord with the serpent. So actually, let <wrap hide>116|00:17:25|140|00:17:33|200</wrap>me try to make this clear. The 20 to 30 decanate is generally ruled by Hercules. The 20 to <wrap hide>117|00:17:33|220|00:17:39|860</wrap>30 decanate, the 10 to 20 by Ophiuchus, the 0 to 10 correlated with the serpent. So we <wrap hide>118|00:17:39|860|00:17:46|560</wrap>would begin with Hercules, and Mars could well accord with Hercules. We would have Ophiuchus <wrap hide>119|00:17:46|560|00:17:54|140</wrap>as the Sun, and then we would end with Venus. We'd end with Venus over here, and Venus would <wrap hide>120|00:17:54|140|00:18:01|440</wrap>be the planet to accord with the serpent. And that doesn't seem to make good sense. <wrap hide>121|00:18:02|180|00:18:09|640</wrap>Nor does it make sense to correlate Venus with Hercules, and possibly then Mars with <wrap hide>122|00:18:09|640|00:18:16|720</wrap>the serpent. That's okay. So there are still many questions to be resolved. Given the way <wrap hide>123|00:18:16|720|00:18:31|420</wrap>D.K. has been using intra-Saturnian planets as the planets which rule the decanate, I'm <wrap hide>124|00:18:31|420|00:18:40|760</wrap>going to find the Moon. That is, in relation to the third decanate. The Moon does not well <wrap hide>125|00:18:40|760|00:18:50|920</wrap>accord with Hercules at all. But the power of Vulcan representing the spiritual will, <wrap hide>126|00:18:51|980|00:18:57|560</wrap>the power which applies that will in a practical way—of course, Hercules does do a lot of <wrap hide>127|00:18:57|560|00:19:03|080</wrap>killing, no question about that, and Pluto, as Stephen suggests, would be a possibility. <wrap hide>128|00:19:03|800|00:19:12|760</wrap>But Vulcan is frequently veiled by the Moon and represents a strenuous activity which <wrap hide>129|00:19:12|760|00:19:21|100</wrap>is directed towards expression in matter. So it is a new planet, and it may be rising <wrap hide>130|00:19:21|700|00:19:27|080</wrap>under the guise of the Moon. We cannot yet tell. Unfortunately, we have to leave this <wrap hide>131|00:19:27|080|00:19:34|080</wrap>with some uncertainty, and we simply will be in a position where we have to experiment <wrap hide>132|00:19:35|060|00:19:36|920</wrap>and reason this out. <wrap hide>133|00:19:38|300|00:19:50|760</wrap>Now, as I've done before, I've looked here at the physical, emotional, and mental, and <wrap hide>134|00:19:50|760|00:19:57|980</wrap>I haven't spent too much time on those phases. I'm more interested in the integrating personality, <wrap hide>135|00:19:58|880|00:20:05|660</wrap>which is orienting itself as an aspirant would towards the soul, in the disciple, who is <wrap hide>136|00:20:05|660|00:20:14|060</wrap>now responding fully to the soul, and finally to the initiate who has become the soul itself. <wrap hide>137|00:20:14|560|00:20:21|600</wrap>The first or physical stage of man evolving in this sign is under Mars as the orthodox <wrap hide>138|00:20:21|600|00:20:29|420</wrap>ruler, and maybe Pluto can be included. And we say here that this is a period in which <wrap hide>139|00:20:29|420|00:20:35|140</wrap>there is an aggressive and warlike pursuit of the satisfaction of the instinctual nature. <wrap hide>140|00:20:36|740|00:20:44|040</wrap>D.K. calls this phase in the life of the undeveloped man Unity of Selfishness. The most powerful <wrap hide>141|00:20:44|060|00:20:48|340</wrap>monster, and I think sometimes I've called it the monster of selfishness, but this is <wrap hide>142|00:20:48|340|00:20:55|660</wrap>the correct statement from page 333 of Esoteric Astrology. <wrap hide>143|00:20:56|340|00:21:01|320</wrap>Unity of Selfishness, the monster, and we can expect violent, that's Mars, and even <wrap hide>144|00:21:01|320|00:21:07|880</wrap>lethal selfishness, that's Pluto. Murder, even, to possess what one wants. Violence <wrap hide>145|00:21:07|880|00:21:14|200</wrap>is associated with the satisfaction of sexual needs and the need for comfort. The physical <wrap hide>146|00:21:14|200|00:21:23|540</wrap>hydra is ruling here. This is the instinctual nature, the rampant instinctual nature. The <wrap hide>147|00:21:23|540|00:21:30|280</wrap>base of the spine center and the sacral center are in pronounced activity, though the part <wrap hide>148|00:21:30|280|00:21:36|320</wrap>of the base of the spine which is operative is not the part which will be stimulated when <wrap hide>149|00:21:36|320|00:21:42|060</wrap>Kundalini truly begins to rise. It's simply the survival type of instinct. <wrap hide>150|00:21:44|160|00:21:50|860</wrap>I'm not going to go too much into this. You can read this later from the text itself. <wrap hide>151|00:21:53|240|00:22:06|300</wrap>I'm simply using the reverse of Alan Leo here. In the physical area, I say that the <wrap hide>152|00:22:06|300|00:22:10|940</wrap>man tends to his physical nature ruled by the moon. He uses aggression and assertion <wrap hide>153|00:22:10|940|00:22:16|560</wrap>to assure his own safety. There is the comfort factor, the shielding factor. He learns to <wrap hide>154|00:22:16|560|00:22:24|660</wrap>shield himself. He becomes primitively defensive. This is the Cancerian sub-decanate, which he <wrap hide>155|00:22:24|660|00:22:30|480</wrap>is entering as an undeveloped man, defending primarily his body and that which shelters <wrap hide>156|00:22:30|480|00:22:36|020</wrap>his body—the home, whatever that may mean to such a primitive. The factor of comfort <wrap hide>157|00:22:36|020|00:22:46|240</wrap>of his vehicles enters. And I would say, in general, it's a great immersion in physicality. <wrap hide>158|00:22:47|580|00:22:53|280</wrap>The sacred planets do not always have to be interpreted in spiritual ways. They have their <wrap hide>159|00:22:53|280|00:23:01|760</wrap>lesser meanings at lesser stages of development. And I think perhaps we could see the fortification <wrap hide>160|00:23:01|760|00:23:04|540</wrap>aspect operating here with Vulcan. <wrap hide>161|00:23:05|080|00:23:12|320</wrap>It's interesting. I've suggested that the sun and the moon really are not the final <wrap hide>162|00:23:12|320|00:23:17|100</wrap>rulers of anything. They are always veiling some planet, I think even in the orthodox <wrap hide>163|00:23:17|880|00:23:28|820</wrap>position. I suggested taking this from a hint D.K. gave that the sun in Leo may actually <wrap hide>164|00:23:28|820|00:23:34|120</wrap>be veiling Jupiter in an orthodox manner, and that the moon in Cancer may actually be <wrap hide>165|00:23:34|120|00:23:43|520</wrap>veiling the most material and physical aspect of Vulcan. So this is sort of self-fortification. <wrap hide>166|00:23:45|900|00:23:53|240</wrap>And I go on to discuss it. As I say, this is not so important because we cannot find <wrap hide>167|00:23:53|240|00:24:00|080</wrap>this type of individual on the planet today—one who is purely physically polarized. But <wrap hide>168|00:24:00|080|00:24:08|480</wrap>I've given Jupiter here kind of a material interpretation: the many experiences leading <wrap hide>169|00:24:08|480|00:24:17|040</wrap>to instinctual gratification. So he is greedy for his satisfactions in the second decanate. <wrap hide>170|00:24:18|580|00:24:27|480</wrap>How would the sun fit in there with Sepharial on this physical level? Well, that is his <wrap hide>171|00:24:27|480|00:24:37|540</wrap>identity. The body is his identity here. And he identifies with that and seeks its full <wrap hide>172|00:24:37|540|00:24:41|220</wrap>satisfaction. This is the primitive ego asserting itself. <wrap hide>173|00:24:42|260|00:24:50|940</wrap>And then finally this is Mars moving backwards. The man is immersed in bodily processes, the <wrap hide>174|00:24:50|940|00:24:56|220</wrap>urgent and even violent instinctual nature. So Mars is ruling the physical body and its <wrap hide>175|00:24:56|220|00:25:00|920</wrap>appetites. And I suppose this could be considered to be the serpent of evil. There are many <wrap hide>176|00:25:00|920|00:25:08|000</wrap>kinds of serpents, and what we originally have to do here in Scorpio is overcome this <wrap hide>177|00:25:08|640|00:25:14|640</wrap>lower serpent and extract from it some kind of elixir. Now that's what Ophiuchus does. <wrap hide>178|00:25:15|340|00:25:23|080</wrap>He manages to tame, to handle the serpent so that the aspects of the serpent which were <wrap hide>179|00:25:23|080|00:25:29|720</wrap>directed towards negativity and which were poisonous, essentially, are used for better <wrap hide>180|00:25:29|720|00:25:30|300</wrap>purposes. <wrap hide>181|00:25:31|500|00:25:39|740</wrap>I don't—you know, you can study this as you wish. It probably—I think it is not so, not <wrap hide>182|00:25:39|740|00:25:49|800</wrap>as profitable to discuss this part of the tabulation at this point. Now, we have the <wrap hide>183|00:25:50|380|00:25:57|220</wrap>initially physical man, whatever decanate he may be born in. This is just how people <wrap hide>184|00:25:57|220|00:26:03|240</wrap>are—they start out in a primitive state, concerned only with the physical instincts. <wrap hide>185|00:26:03|700|00:26:08|640</wrap>They do gradually, as they enter the second petal and develop it, move into an emotional <wrap hide>186|00:26:08|640|00:26:15|940</wrap>phase, but they're still under Mars as the orthodox ruler. That is in general. Because <wrap hide>187|00:26:15|940|00:26:22|200</wrap>if you look at the three rulers of any sign, which in this case are Mars, Mars, and Mercury, <wrap hide>188|00:26:23|070|00:26:31|340</wrap>with Pluto as a sub-ruler permeating this situation, if you look at these rulers, they <wrap hide>189|00:26:31|340|00:26:42|320</wrap>do define distinct developmental periods in the life of the evolving man. So we're still <wrap hide>190|00:26:42|320|00:26:48|320</wrap>under Mars, and this is a period of emotional development, but it's ruled by Mars. Mars, <wrap hide>191|00:26:48|320|00:26:59|120</wrap>in a way, is connected with all of the sub-diaphragmatic chakras. It rules Kundalini—latent at the <wrap hide>192|00:26:59|120|00:27:05|680</wrap>base of the spine. It's certainly connected with the sacral center, as Mars is the preeminently <wrap hide>193|00:27:05|680|00:27:12|820</wrap>sexual planet, and the Tibetan has given its sixth ray the connection with the solar plexus. <wrap hide>194|00:27:13|540|00:27:24|760</wrap>So now when we enter this stage of emotional unfoldment for the primitive scorpion, we <wrap hide>195|00:27:24|760|00:27:30|080</wrap>have the solar plexus energy being added to the strong basal and sacral expression. The <wrap hide>196|00:27:30|080|00:27:39|980</wrap>man has intense desires, not only of an instinctual nature. He is willing to fight and kill. These <wrap hide>197|00:27:39|980|00:27:48|620</wrap>are Scorpionic Martian qualities, and with Pluto perhaps added in a very primitive way, <wrap hide>198|00:27:49|040|00:27:55|820</wrap>he is willing to fight and kill for the satisfaction of these desires. The emotional hydra rules, <wrap hide>199|00:27:56|740|00:28:03|460</wrap>and the man is in the grips of fear, hatred, and later of ambition, or the love of power. <wrap hide>200|00:28:04|460|00:28:16|020</wrap>The sex, money, and comfort aspect is found describing the physical heads of the hydra. <wrap hide>201|00:28:16|920|00:28:27|520</wrap>Well, sex and comfort, of course, can easily be pursued by the primitive man. The concept <wrap hide>202|00:28:27|520|00:28:37|500</wrap>of money may be a little more advanced, so whatever stood for the possibility of trade <wrap hide>203|00:28:37|500|00:28:43|580</wrap>and exchange could be considered as money, but it's generally a more advanced concept. <wrap hide>204|00:28:44|440|00:28:52|000</wrap>So the emotional hydra rules here. At first the astro-body displays the colors red, Mars, <wrap hide>205|00:28:52|000|00:28:57|840</wrap>and even black Pluto. There have been some drawings by Leadbeater which show a person <wrap hide>206|00:28:57|840|00:29:04|140</wrap>in an extreme anger, angry state, and also what he calls the savage state. It's very <wrap hide>207|00:29:04|140|00:29:10|500</wrap>red, and the anger state is filled with red and black. Later there is reaching, a reaching <wrap hide>208|00:29:10|500|00:29:16|180</wrap>for higher objects of desire, and the element of sacrifice enters when man is willing to <wrap hide>209|00:29:16|180|00:29:19|620</wrap>do anything to achieve his desires. <wrap hide>210|00:29:20|760|00:29:31|080</wrap>And so what we have here also, we could look at the various planets involved. Over here <wrap hide>211|00:29:31|080|00:29:38|500</wrap>again it's the moon, and I'm kind of developing this on the basis of the Cancer decan. Here's <wrap hide>212|00:29:38|500|00:29:46|160</wrap>the Pisces decan, and here is the Scorpio decan, because he is after all moving back <wrap hide>213|00:29:46|180|00:29:55|120</wrap>or clockwise on the wheel. We don't have such a sample to be able to study people of this <wrap hide>214|00:29:55|120|00:30:04|320</wrap>kind, so these are my thoughts on the matter. But they are speculative, of course. <wrap hide>215|00:30:05|840|00:30:12|200</wrap>But here you have it on the screen, so if you wish to freeze the screen and look at <wrap hide>216|00:30:12|200|00:30:16|980</wrap>these things, then you are in a position to do so. <wrap hide>217|00:30:23|680|00:30:32|360</wrap>Then we move to another stage of development, but we're still under Mars, because Mars does <wrap hide>218|00:30:32|360|00:30:40|200</wrap>rule the mental plane, the lower mental plane on the five senses, as D.K. has told us. So <wrap hide>219|00:30:40|200|00:30:46|320</wrap>we're under Mars with Pluto as the orthodox ruler, and this period—we call it the mental <wrap hide>220|00:30:46|320|00:30:52|700</wrap>or lower personal period—is generally ruled by Mars, because after all we're moving towards <wrap hide>221|00:30:52|700|00:30:57|640</wrap>becoming a personality, and Mars rules every aspect of the personality, plus the personality <wrap hide>222|00:30:57|640|00:30:58|620</wrap>itself. <wrap hide>223|00:31:00|500|00:31:07|940</wrap>So let's see, what is said here of the general period through which the man passes in Scorpio, <wrap hide>224|00:31:07|940|00:31:14|020</wrap>when he is beginning to be a somewhat mental man, though not necessarily an integrated <wrap hide>225|00:31:14|020|00:31:19|460</wrap>personality, or perhaps integrated—he's selfishly integrated, and he's not yet a reorienting <wrap hide>226|00:31:20|220|00:31:26|600</wrap>personality. So the mind becomes sharper—that's Mars—and more penetrating, Pluto, and the <wrap hide>227|00:31:26|600|00:31:33|360</wrap>senses more acute. The mind can be used as an instrument of power and investigation. <wrap hide>228|00:31:33|360|00:31:39|420</wrap>So Mars ruling concrete science, and Pluto research and investigation. The personality <wrap hide>229|00:31:39|420|00:31:47|560</wrap>is being integrated in a lower sense around the factor of power and assertion. The man <wrap hide>230|00:31:47|560|00:31:55|400</wrap>is becoming a personality which uses increasing mental power to fight for its own intentions <wrap hide>231|00:31:55|400|00:32:03|340</wrap>and desires. The mind can be used as an instrument to attain one's desires. The mental power <wrap hide>232|00:32:03|360|00:32:10|560</wrap>of the total hydra becomes a factor to reckon with, and the vices of pride, separativeness, <wrap hide>233|00:32:10|900|00:32:18|600</wrap>and cruelty. These are the three which D.K. has given us. The factors of pride, separativeness, <wrap hide>234|00:32:18|800|00:32:23|520</wrap>and cruelty, all based upon the cultivation of the concrete mind, are recognized, and <wrap hide>235|00:32:23|520|00:32:30|900</wrap>the man may fall under this sway, as he needs soul power still to be developed in order <wrap hide>236|00:32:30|900|00:32:33|020</wrap>to conquer these three. <wrap hide>237|00:32:34|760|00:32:40|200</wrap>You know, I put these together within the last couple of years, and I'm kind of interested <wrap hide>238|00:32:40|200|00:32:46|220</wrap>to see actually what I did, but I'll have to do that at a time that's not at your expense. <wrap hide>239|00:32:49|480|00:32:54|600</wrap>It would be, you know, when we can read the Akashic record and we can see how people actually <wrap hide>240|00:32:54|600|00:33:02|100</wrap>did behave in these various periods of their development, and when we can know the signs <wrap hide>241|00:33:02|100|00:33:07|180</wrap>in which they are born and under which they are born and study these horoscopes, it may <wrap hide>242|00:33:07|180|00:33:12|200</wrap>not be the most profitable thing to do, but it will certainly be interesting in terms <wrap hide>243|00:33:12|200|00:33:15|300</wrap>of confirming these various theories. <wrap hide>244|00:33:18|120|00:33:23|760</wrap>Okay, the associate with mental phase, clockwise Mars, has ruled the third decan. Yes. <wrap hide>245|00:33:24|720|00:33:37|640</wrap>Okay. I see it's up here that we have to look. Yeah, this is the place. So, again, I'm using <wrap hide>246|00:33:37|640|00:33:51|400</wrap>the Cancer, Pisces, and Scorpio ideas preeminently, and also then, in a way, the Moon, Jupiter, <wrap hide>247|00:33:51|400|00:34:01|220</wrap>and Mars ideas. It seems more difficult to work—more difficult somehow to work in the <wrap hide>248|00:34:01|220|00:34:13|180</wrap>Sepharial Mars and, well, especially Venus, Sun and Venus aspects. That seems more difficult, <wrap hide>249|00:34:13|760|00:34:15|840</wrap>because perhaps they just aren't correct. <wrap hide>250|00:34:17|260|00:34:30|060</wrap>Okay, now we move on into an area which concerns us in a way. We are making the turn. We have <wrap hide>251|00:34:30|060|00:34:38|580</wrap>moved from 30 to 20, 20 to 10, 10 to 0. We have been moving backwards, or clockwise, <wrap hide>252|00:34:38|580|00:34:52|200</wrap>through the decanates, and now we're about to make the turn toward some degree of aspiration. <wrap hide>253|00:34:53|600|00:34:59|620</wrap>So this is the fourth phase of development. It's not strictly physical, it's not strictly <wrap hide>254|00:34:59|620|00:35:06|600</wrap>emotional, it's not strictly mental. It is having to do with the integrating personality <wrap hide>255|00:35:07|460|00:35:14|720</wrap>and with the aspirational phase later of this integrating personality. So the individual <wrap hide>256|00:35:14|720|00:35:21|040</wrap>at this point is still pretty much under the orthodox ruler because he's not yet fully <wrap hide>257|00:35:21|040|00:35:29|260</wrap>responding to the soul. He's still responding to personal Mars and Pluto, more to Pluto <wrap hide>258|00:35:29|260|00:35:35|360</wrap>unconsciously, perhaps. D.K. has told us that the only people who really respond to Pluto <wrap hide>259|00:35:35|360|00:35:42|860</wrap>consciously are those who are disciples. But he's gradually coming under a higher Mars, <wrap hide>260|00:35:43|860|00:35:48|400</wrap>with Mars as the esoteric ruler of Scorpio, because he's reorienting himself gradually <wrap hide>261|00:35:49|080|00:35:56|180</wrap>towards the soul. And sometimes when I look at this fourth phase in human development, <wrap hide>262|00:35:56|200|00:36:04|120</wrap>I want to correlate it with the certain developments in the fifth petal of the egoic lotus, where <wrap hide>263|00:36:04|120|00:36:14|240</wrap>a person is integrating his personality, perhaps selfishly at first, and then goes <wrap hide>264|00:36:14|240|00:36:21|560</wrap>through a number of crises which help him make the first kind of reversal of the wheel. <wrap hide>265|00:36:22|620|00:36:28|340</wrap>And then he begins to become an aspirant, all of this within the fifth petal, such that <wrap hide>266|00:36:28|340|00:36:34|480</wrap>by the time the fifth petal is completely unfolded, he is already an initiate of the <wrap hide>267|00:36:34|480|00:36:41|420</wrap>first degree—excuse me—of the first degree. So we can see how many lives <wrap hide>268|00:36:42|240|00:36:47|180</wrap>it may take to pass through this fifth petal activity. <wrap hide>269|00:36:48|740|00:36:55|900</wrap>So what is said here about Mars at this point of personality integration and reorientation, <wrap hide>270|00:36:57|260|00:37:01|860</wrap>eventual reorientation, is that Mars, who is the ruler of the lunar lords, which is <wrap hide>271|00:37:01|860|00:37:08|320</wrap>the sixth grade of hierarchy, generically rules the entire personality, as well as every <wrap hide>272|00:37:08|320|00:37:14|980</wrap>part of it, consisting of the four lunar elementals: physical, emotional, mental, and the composite <wrap hide>273|00:37:14|980|00:37:21|700</wrap>elemental we call the personal. This personality is now selfishly integrated and powerful. <wrap hide>274|00:37:22|380|00:37:29|020</wrap>Solar plexus energy is strong, but so is the mind, and I suppose the Ajna center to direct <wrap hide>275|00:37:29|020|00:37:34|540</wrap>the throat center is becoming strong, the Ajna center for selfish personal direction <wrap hide>276|00:37:34|540|00:37:40|100</wrap>is becoming strong. So is the mind, and so is the personal will. The man becomes the <wrap hide>277|00:37:40|920|00:37:46|540</wrap>fighter. He's still under Mars. Well, he stays under Mars in Scorpio for so long. <wrap hide>278|00:37:46|540|00:37:53|680</wrap>First, fighting for himself in the earlier part of the petal stimulation and organization, <wrap hide>279|00:37:53|700|00:38:02|240</wrap>and later, fighting to reach the higher self, which he begins to sense. So this is the transformation <wrap hide>280|00:38:02|240|00:38:11|760</wrap>into aspiration. The aspiration fueled by Mars leads him into what's called a conflict <wrap hide>281|00:38:11|760|00:38:23|160</wrap>with duality, and that's a statement which is listed under the column for advancing man, <wrap hide>282|00:38:24|400|00:38:30|600</wrap>presumably the aspirant. A conflict with duality, and he begins to engage in a battle within <wrap hide>283|00:38:30|600|00:38:38|280</wrap>himself, and both for and at times against the influence of the soul. So he's increasingly <wrap hide>284|00:38:38|280|00:38:46|000</wrap>becoming advanced man, whether selfishly so or better yet, increasingly selfless, although <wrap hide>285|00:38:46|000|00:38:52|760</wrap>Mars is above all the planet of selfishness. So there's so much selfishness to overcome <wrap hide>286|00:38:52|760|00:39:00|240</wrap>in Mars which is finally overcome to a significant degree, though not completely so, at the second <wrap hide>287|00:39:00|240|00:39:05|200</wrap>initiation. But we're not talking about that yet. We're still at the stage of the integrating <wrap hide>288|00:39:05|200|00:39:14|880</wrap>and aspiring personality. He may unify the personality so that it becomes very selfish, <wrap hide>289|00:39:16|380|00:39:20|860</wrap>exemplifying the dominance of all the nine heads of the hydra, or he may begin to realize <wrap hide>290|00:39:21|490|00:39:32|480</wrap>that these are factors to be overcome. Now, we are beginning to, let us say, reverse <wrap hide>291|00:39:33|180|00:39:39|940</wrap>the wheel, maybe not the final reversal of the wheel, which can occur, as one very good <wrap hide>292|00:39:39|940|00:39:46|660</wrap>astrological theorist says, more so after the second initiation and after having passed <wrap hide>293|00:39:46|660|00:39:53|260</wrap>the temptations in the desert. Then there's no more possibility to move in a retrogressive <wrap hide>294|00:39:53|260|00:40:00|360</wrap>left-hand way. But this is certainly a reversal, and it is centered in the fifth petal. So <wrap hide>295|00:40:02|480|00:40:08|900</wrap>Here in the first decanate, from zero to ten, at this stage of personality integration followed <wrap hide>296|00:40:08|900|00:40:15|240</wrap>by personality aspiration, we can say it's ruled by Mars, as Alan Leo suggests, and even <wrap hide>297|00:40:15|240|00:40:22|160</wrap>as Sepharial suggests. The man becomes a powerful, assertive personality, using his mind, controlling <wrap hide>298|00:40:22|160|00:40:28|040</wrap>his emotions, disciplining his physical body to fulfill his intentions, desires, and instinctual <wrap hide>299|00:40:28|800|00:40:38|500</wrap>promptings. He is a fighter. He is... um, no, might as well put the article in there. He <wrap hide>300|00:40:38|500|00:40:45|920</wrap>is a fighter, at first for himself, and later he begins to reach for and fight for something <wrap hide>301|00:40:45|920|00:40:51|180</wrap>higher. He is no longer entirely under the control of the lower serpent. Remember, Serpens <wrap hide>302|00:40:51|180|00:40:56|900</wrap>is connected with this decanate, so it can be dangerous, but now the power of the serpent <wrap hide>303|00:40:57|320|00:41:06|880</wrap>is being properly used because Ophiuchus has learned how to tame it. The Scorpio individual <wrap hide>304|00:41:06|880|00:41:15|620</wrap>comes under the effect of all three of the extra-zodiacal constellations, and not only <wrap hide>305|00:41:15|620|00:41:23|400</wrap>under the one which we have been correlating with the particular... a particular decanate. <wrap hide>306|00:41:23|400|00:41:29|540</wrap>Now Alice Bailey has kind of suggested what this correlation could be by giving these <wrap hide>307|00:41:29|540|00:41:34|180</wrap>extra-zodiacal constellations in a certain order, but it's Nicholas Nelenn who has done <wrap hide>308|00:41:34|180|00:41:45|000</wrap>the real thought process here, connecting the extra-zodiacal constellations with the <wrap hide>309|00:41:45|000|00:41:52|880</wrap>decans of the... with the decans of the sign. Now it's not that we necessarily agree upon <wrap hide>310|00:41:52|880|00:41:59|200</wrap>every correlation, but the general concept of this correlation of the extra-zodiacals <wrap hide>311|00:41:59|200|00:42:08|720</wrap>with the decans of the sign was emphasized by him. He seems to have brought forward this <wrap hide>312|00:42:08|720|00:42:13|200</wrap>idea and established it as something worth researching. <wrap hide>313|00:42:14|140|00:42:22|860</wrap>So, let's see here. I seem to have moved a little bit... I think, a little bit further <wrap hide>314|00:42:22|880|00:42:27|480</wrap>away from it. Yeah, here it is. Okay. So he's no longer entirely under the control of the <wrap hide>315|00:42:27|480|00:42:36|200</wrap>lower serpent, the threefold personality. Now, later, of course, he manages to extricate <wrap hide>316|00:42:36|200|00:42:43|760</wrap>himself entirely. Earlier, he almost is the serpent. He is the Hydra. So we have to distinguish <wrap hide>317|00:42:43|760|00:42:49|860</wrap>very carefully between those people who pretty much are the Hydra, because they identify <wrap hide>318|00:42:49|860|00:42:55|320</wrap>with all their lower instincts, those people who are neither one nor the other because <wrap hide>319|00:42:55|320|00:43:03|040</wrap>they're in the stage of conflicting life. They are undergoing conflict with duality, <wrap hide>320|00:43:03|040|00:43:08|160</wrap>and they're fighting to be free of the Hydra, but they're not free. And then those higher <wrap hide>321|00:43:08|160|00:43:11|980</wrap>disciples and initiates who actually are free of the Hydra. <wrap hide>322|00:43:13|220|00:43:22|920</wrap>Okay, so now we're in this stage of personality integration and of personality reorientation, <wrap hide>323|00:43:23|570|00:43:31|280</wrap>and we are reversing our direction, and we are under Jupiter ruling the second decanate. <wrap hide>324|00:43:31|400|00:43:38|180</wrap>We'll use the Alan Leo rulers, and I think they are the safest at this point, especially <wrap hide>325|00:43:38|180|00:43:44|200</wrap>when we're dealing with spiritually evolving man. And aspiring man is spiritually evolving <wrap hide>326|00:43:44|200|00:43:48|720</wrap>man. So now we're in the Jupiter decanate, and it says here that the lower ego expands <wrap hide>327|00:43:48|720|00:43:58|000</wrap>at first. The man becomes attractive and magnetic. Jupiter and Sepharial's placing of the sun <wrap hide>328|00:43:58|000|00:44:08|160</wrap>there. And that may still apply, because the man is still pretty much a person. He's not <wrap hide>329|00:44:08|160|00:44:17|560</wrap>to cure and to offset harm, to render certain harmful situations harmless. Jupiter is involved <wrap hide>330|00:44:17|560|00:44:25|340</wrap>here. It's a planet of blessing, and Ophiuchus, the healer, so the cure, the one who cures. <wrap hide>331|00:44:25|740|00:44:31|620</wrap>His helpfulness and benevolence are increasing. He has increasing knowledge and some wisdom <wrap hide>332|00:44:31|960|00:44:40|440</wrap>to control the lower forces, and I would add here, the lower forces of the serpent, which <wrap hide>333|00:44:40|440|00:44:49|720</wrap>is increasingly handled. Sometimes we call Ophiuchus the serpent handler, the serpent <wrap hide>334|00:44:49|720|00:44:50|840</wrap>holder, the serpent handler. <wrap hide>335|00:44:52|000|00:45:01|600</wrap>Now we move into the lunar area. The moon rules the moon. The moon rules the moon, and <wrap hide>336|00:45:01|620|00:45:13|180</wrap>rules the last... Yes, according to the Tibetan, the moon rules the last decanate of Cancer. <wrap hide>337|00:45:14|160|00:45:18|840</wrap>Now we might not think it to be the case, but that's what he gives us. But really, it <wrap hide>338|00:45:18|840|00:45:24|900</wrap>becomes quite clear that the moon is veiling Vulcan in ruling the last decanate of Cancer. <wrap hide>339|00:45:24|900|00:45:35|360</wrap>Now here we have the ordinary Hindu order. We have Alan Leo's Mars, Jupiter, and the <wrap hide>340|00:45:35|360|00:45:42|660</wrap>moon. Now the question is, will we substitute another planet? Stephen Pugh suggests Pluto. <wrap hide>341|00:45:43|760|00:45:51|760</wrap>I'm wondering about Vulcan. What I'm saying here is that the man exerts a conditioning <wrap hide>342|00:45:51|760|00:46:01|140</wrap>effect upon his personality vehicles. He learns the power of control. Okay. The power of control <wrap hide>343|00:46:01|140|00:46:08|980</wrap>of his personality vehicles. Now Hercules, of course, is the mythological figure, or <wrap hide>344|00:46:08|980|00:46:15|960</wrap>really a true figure, but he has been mythologized, so what he is mythologically can also be consulted. <wrap hide>345|00:46:16|780|00:46:24|180</wrap>Hercules is a controlling figure. Through his might, through his power, he controls <wrap hide>346|00:46:24|180|00:46:31|560</wrap>many circumstances, defeats many opposing forces, and kills many opponents. He smites <wrap hide>347|00:46:32|540|00:46:39|660</wrap>them, so to speak. When I'm thinking about smiting, I'm thinking very much about Vulcan. <wrap hide>348|00:46:39|940|00:46:47|840</wrap>It's the hammer. If you have in your hand an implement, a weapon, a mace, whereby you <wrap hide>349|00:46:47|840|00:46:54|240</wrap>eliminate an opponent, that is a Vulcanian gesture. Perhaps to shoot an arrow, especially <wrap hide>350|00:46:54|240|00:47:00|680</wrap>a poisoned arrow, is more a Plutonian gesture. His strength of will is increasing. He moves <wrap hide>351|00:47:00|680|00:47:08|420</wrap>from protecting and defending himself, as he did so much under the moon, from 30 to <wrap hide>352|00:47:08|420|00:47:20|100</wrap>20 degrees, when he was simply the average non-aspiring person, or even a primitive person. <wrap hide>353|00:47:20|120|00:47:23|240</wrap>So his strength of will is increasing, and he moves from protecting and defending himself <wrap hide>354|00:47:23|240|00:47:32|360</wrap>to protecting and defending others. Some aspect of unselfishness is entering. He has certain <wrap hide>355|00:47:32|360|00:47:39|160</wrap>ideals towards which he has reoriented himself, and he has the strength to do this. I guess <wrap hide>356|00:47:39|160|00:47:45|920</wrap>it's been a while since I've looked at this, but what I have done, actually, is I've suggested <wrap hide>357|00:47:48|660|00:47:59|360</wrap>that Vulcan may indeed be the new planet arising in this sign. I've suggested that. <wrap hide>358|00:48:02|360|00:48:10|040</wrap>Let's see. A new planet is arising in this sign. I want also to look at how he discusses <wrap hide>359|00:48:10|040|00:48:17|140</wrap>the battle for the third initiation. And I'm going to go over here in Esoteric Astrology, <wrap hide>360|00:48:17|900|00:48:29|440</wrap>and I'm going to go to page 71. And he calls it a hidden planet. At the third initiation, <wrap hide>361|00:48:29|440|00:48:36|200</wrap>the moon veiling a hidden planet and Mars brings about a fearful conflict, but at the <wrap hide>362|00:48:36|200|00:48:42|120</wrap>end, the man is released from personality control. So I'm wondering whether the hidden <wrap hide>363|00:48:42|120|00:48:51|400</wrap>planet here, which shows itself at the third initiation, which I really think is Vulcan, <wrap hide>364|00:48:52|400|00:49:02|960</wrap>is the same as the new planet which is arising in this sign. It would at least conform to <wrap hide>365|00:49:02|960|00:49:20|000</wrap>the intra-Saturnian model which has been used. When we start to insert trans-Saturnian planets <wrap hide>366|00:49:20|000|00:49:29|220</wrap>as decanate rulers, we are on uncertain ground. Now sometimes D.K. gives kind of an association <wrap hide>367|00:49:30|500|00:49:37|060</wrap>here. I think we are going to find a place where he talks about the moon actually standing <wrap hide>368|00:49:37|060|00:49:45|880</wrap>for Uranus, representing concrete unenlightened science. There are a few hints which seem <wrap hide>369|00:49:45|880|00:49:56|060</wrap>to extend beyond Saturn, but not very many at all, and perhaps we should be cautious <wrap hide>370|00:49:56|850|00:50:05|140</wrap>in assigning trans-Saturnian planets. Of course we cannot yet determine what is accurate. <wrap hide>371|00:50:06|340|00:50:15|860</wrap>Now let's move on away from the stage of aspiration into a still higher stage, which <wrap hide>372|00:50:16|720|00:50:28|120</wrap>is the stage of discipleship. I'm trying to line all this up after a number of years. <wrap hide>373|00:50:29|740|00:50:39|460</wrap>This is that stage of development in which the man becomes the disciple, mentally responsive <wrap hide>374|00:50:39|460|00:50:48|820</wrap>to the soul, aspirationally oriented towards the soul, one who is in process of transformation, <wrap hide>375|00:50:49|300|00:50:58|820</wrap>even as the aspirant is in process of transmutation. But of course the transmutative power continues <wrap hide>376|00:50:58|820|00:51:06|220</wrap>even while one is a disciple. So now we're still under Mars, but it's not the lower desirous <wrap hide>377|00:51:08|080|00:51:22|080</wrap>Mars; it's aspirational, noble, valorous Mars, the high-minded fighter for something <wrap hide>378|00:51:22|080|00:51:28|300</wrap>greater than his lower self. So under the influence of higher Mars Pluto, with Mars <wrap hide>379|00:51:28|650|00:51:34|120</wrap>as the principle esoteric ruler, but having intimations of the power of Mercury on three <wrap hide>380|00:51:34|120|00:51:39|760</wrap>levels: the concrete mind, the son of mind, and eventually the power of the intuition. <wrap hide>381|00:51:40|260|00:51:50|280</wrap>So Mercury is coming. Mercury is another ruler, the final ruler, which we have to insert when <wrap hide>382|00:51:50|280|00:51:59|300</wrap>we begin to consider that the man may be influenced by his spirit aspect. So under the influence <wrap hide>383|00:51:59|300|00:52:04|920</wrap>of higher Mars at this time, Mars being the principle ruler, but there are intimations <wrap hide>384|00:52:04|920|00:52:09|040</wrap>coming in of Mercury because the disciple is mentally polarized and Mercury is such <wrap hide>385|00:52:09|040|00:52:14|380</wrap>a mental planet. So we may be feeling the presence of Mercury, and Mercury is very, <wrap hide>386|00:52:14|540|00:52:21|620</wrap>very strong in Scorpio anyway, helping to overcome the emotions and later to bring illumination. <wrap hide>387|00:52:22|510|00:52:31|720</wrap>So what I say of this general period, regardless of the particular decanate that may be concerned, <wrap hide>388|00:52:32|940|00:52:43|340</wrap>is as follows: That the disciple is fully engaged in the conflict with duality. The <wrap hide>389|00:52:43|340|00:52:48|340</wrap>pairs of opposites in this case are just very simply soul and personality. He is the fighter <wrap hide>390|00:52:48|340|00:52:55|060</wrap>within the personality and on behalf of the soul nature. He's not fighting for his personality <wrap hide>391|00:52:55|060|00:53:00|620</wrap>expression. At least he knows that's not the correct thing to do. If he finds himself doing <wrap hide>392|00:53:00|620|00:53:06|340</wrap>that, then he changes his position in the battle and reasserts himself on behalf of <wrap hide>393|00:53:06|340|00:53:13|320</wrap>the soul over the personality. He recognizes the hydra as his opponent and dweller, and <wrap hide>394|00:53:13|320|00:53:18|420</wrap>is engaged in the conflict to overcome it. This is quite different from the early Scorpionic <wrap hide>395|00:53:18|420|00:53:25|160</wrap>experience of identifying as the dweller, even though this type of identification is <wrap hide>396|00:53:25|160|00:53:32|760</wrap>unconscious at that stage. Here's a quotation in Scorpio: "In this sign, the disciple undergoes <wrap hide>397|00:53:32|760|00:53:39|560</wrap>those tests which will enable him to take the second initiation and demonstrate that <wrap hide>398|00:53:39|560|00:53:46|360</wrap>the desire nature is subdued and conquered, and that the lower nature is, by being lifted <wrap hide>399|00:53:46|360|00:53:52|600</wrap>up in the air (i.e., into heaven), capable of reaching the goal for this world period." It <wrap hide>400|00:53:52|600|00:53:57|740</wrap>doesn't necessarily mean it has reached the goal, but it is capable of reaching the goal <wrap hide>401|00:53:57|740|00:54:04|040</wrap>for this world period. And what may that be? The fourth initiation, perhaps? What do we <wrap hide>402|00:54:04|040|00:54:12|640</wrap>actually mean by a world period? Do we mean the duration of our particular planet? Do <wrap hide>403|00:54:12|640|00:54:19|400</wrap>we mean some round that is passing through all the schemes? Do we even mean some round <wrap hide>404|00:54:19|400|00:54:27|040</wrap>that is passing through all the chains? It's a vague term, but he gives indication by passing <wrap hide>405|00:54:27|040|00:54:34|380</wrap>the second initiation that he has entered the stream, and that he will be borne along <wrap hide>406|00:54:34|380|00:54:41|860</wrap>and carried along towards the fulfillment that lies ahead—certainly the fulfillment <wrap hide>407|00:54:41|860|00:54:52|420</wrap>of the fourth degree. And that from the earthly foundations of Scorpio, under the third ray, <wrap hide>408|00:54:52|420|00:54:59|920</wrap>I suppose, the personality can be so tested that it shows fitness for the world service <wrap hide>409|00:55:01|340|00:55:08|540</wrap>demanded in Aquarius. And we did discuss this earlier, the relationship between Scorpio <wrap hide>410|00:55:09|480|00:55:15|520</wrap>and Aquarius—how the world server is prepared by the tests in Scorpio. This is beautifully <wrap hide>411|00:55:15|520|00:55:20|420</wrap>expressed for us in the Legend of Hercules, the sun God who overcomes the nine-headed <wrap hide>412|00:55:20|420|00:55:28|340</wrap>hydra or serpent of desire by being forced to his knees, and from that position of humility <wrap hide>413|00:55:28|340|00:55:38|760</wrap>lifts the serpent into the air. And then deliverance comes. So we did read this earlier when discussing, <wrap hide>414|00:55:38|780|00:55:50|400</wrap>I think, the fixed signs from Esoteric Astrology, 143 and 144. Okay, now I think—okay, I'm <wrap hide>415|00:55:50|420|00:56:02|820</wrap>done. So now I think it's time to look at what it will mean to go, to live this disciplic <wrap hide>416|00:56:02|820|00:56:08|760</wrap>soul experience as a disciple in Scorpio, or perhaps under Scorpio, in certain of the <wrap hide>417|00:56:08|760|00:56:18|080</wrap>decanates. And we're using the Alan Leo order here; we're using Mars, Jupiter, and the Moon, <wrap hide>418|00:56:18|580|00:56:26|880</wrap>perhaps veiling Vulcan. At times I work in other of the suggestions here, but we just <wrap hide>419|00:56:26|880|00:56:38|800</wrap>have too many planets for the decanates, although when he gives us Gemini, we interestingly <wrap hide>420|00:56:39|720|00:56:48|060</wrap>have six planets given, I think. Let's see if I can see that under—I think it's <wrap hide>421|00:56:48|080|00:56:57|700</wrap>Gemini moving up here on this table of decanates. And here is the yellow, which makes it difficult <wrap hide>422|00:56:57|700|00:57:06|160</wrap>to see, but yes, Alan Leo gives—Sepharial gives us Jupiter, Mars, Sun, and D.K. says it's <wrap hide>423|00:57:06|160|00:57:17|260</wrap>correct. In this case, the Chaldean listing is correct. And then Alan Leo gives us Mercury, <wrap hide>424|00:57:17|260|00:57:30|020</wrap>Venus, and Saturn. So there are six operative planets here, and each one of them is associated <wrap hide>425|00:57:30|020|00:57:37|380</wrap>with one of the six decanates. There are really three decanates, but if you take them in two <wrap hide>426|00:57:37|380|00:57:44|440</wrap>directions, you have to think about there being six. And generically, at least, there is the <wrap hide>427|00:57:44|440|00:57:50|600</wrap>sense of a developmental phase from the dense physical through the emotional to the mental, <wrap hide>428|00:57:51|440|00:57:56|980</wrap>through the personal (whether selfish or reoriented), through soul responsiveness, and then finally <wrap hide>429|00:57:56|980|00:57:59|320</wrap>through spirit responsiveness. <wrap hide>430|00:58:00|200|00:58:14|420</wrap>Okay. Now, I think we're getting near—yes, we're quite near to our goal of the whole <wrap hide>431|00:58:14|440|00:58:21|440</wrap>one-hour program, hoping that this makes it a little bit easier for you to handle these. <wrap hide>432|00:58:24|380|00:58:31|600</wrap>I think I won't do The Great Invocation at this point. I'll wait until the end of the <wrap hide>433|00:58:32|130|00:58:43|920</wrap>two hours. Well, no, no, I won't. We're in the phase of disciplic soul. Okay. Now, we're <wrap hide>434|00:58:43|920|00:58:53|840</wrap>starting out with the Mars decanate. The disciple is overcoming his hydra on all levels. He <wrap hide>435|00:58:53|840|00:59:00|220</wrap>has courage—Mars, that's the ruler of this first decanate—and the power to terminate <wrap hide>436|00:59:00|220|00:59:06|020</wrap>and detach. That's Pluto. He is definitely fighting with his inherent duality in order <wrap hide>437|00:59:06|020|00:59:13|900</wrap>to achieve a higher unity, which he recognizes as spiritual. Now, that, I think, is the most— <wrap hide>438|00:59:13|920|00:59:25|700</wrap>higher unity is found over here. Let's take a look at this: page 333. Here is the higher <wrap hide>439|00:59:25|700|00:59:33|880</wrap>unity which the true disciple or initiate achieves. But at the moment, he's engaged <wrap hide>440|00:59:33|880|00:59:42|380</wrap>in conflict with duality, moving towards the higher unity of the high disciple. Some Kundalini <wrap hide>441|00:59:42|380|00:59:47|180</wrap>experiences may emerge. Mars is involved with that. But it can be questioned whether they <wrap hide>442|00:59:47|180|00:59:55|140</wrap>can be controlled. For the disciple who is responding to the soul, this disciple being <wrap hide>443|00:59:55|140|01:00:03|620</wrap>an initiate of less than the third degree, the control of Kundalini is not likely. Okay. <wrap hide>444|01:00:03|620|01:00:13|960</wrap>At least the full control. Now, we have reached the point where we can say, okay, we're beginning <wrap hide>445|01:00:13|960|01:00:33|600</wrap>Esoteric Astrology adventure, number 80, and this is the end of EAA 80, section A. So, <wrap hide>446|01:00:33|660|01:00:49|000</wrap>we are here discussing disciple soul in relation to the decanates. And now we begin EAA 80, <wrap hide>447|01:00:49|580|01:01:03|600</wrap>section B, discussing the disciple soul phase in relation to the second decan ruled by Jupiter. <wrap hide>448|01:01:03|620|01:01:04|180</wrap>Okay.
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