1|00:00:05|760|00:00:15|440Okay, hi everybody. This is, in a way, number 13, our esoteric astrology adventure number 2|00:00:15|440|00:00:19|48013, but a little unfortunate thing happened at the end of number 12. 3|00:00:20|260|00:00:28|180I thought I would do two of these together in order to save time, but I was rudely awakened 4|00:00:28|180|00:00:39|180by the fact that the GoToWebinar will only allow me to record for an hour and a half, 5|00:00:39|320|00:00:42|840an hour and 45 minutes, unless there are other people attending. 6|00:00:43|660|00:00:55|140So as I was simply talking to myself, I got cut off, and as a result the conversion was not made 7|00:00:55|140|00:00:59|080from the very large file to a file of manageable size. 8|00:00:59|280|00:01:06|100So I'm having Brett take care of that, and we will have it to you as soon as we possibly can. 9|00:01:06|200|00:01:16|140Hopefully by the time you've begun with this particular number 13, it will have reached you. 10|00:01:16|860|00:01:26|300Now we were in these three propositions that have been given earlier in A Treatise on the Seven Rays. 11|00:01:27|560|00:01:32|720Proposition one: every ray life is an expression of a solar life, and every planet is therefore 12|00:01:32|720|00:01:38|520a solar life. We discussed this as being either the life of a Solar Logos or in the more remote 13|00:01:38|520|00:01:49|000sense, the life of a Constellational Logos. So a ray life is, in a way, a Planetary Logos. 14|00:01:49|080|00:01:53|860That's one of the definitions of a ray life, and I think it may be the one that we need most 15|00:01:53|860|00:02:01|500to deal with. It can be another thing, and I will talk to you about what else a ray life can be. 16|00:02:02|040|00:02:11|300So since the Planetary Logoi are the chakras of our Solar Logos, naturally every one of them 17|00:02:11|300|00:02:17|320would be linked with every other, as is the case for the chakras of a human being. 18|00:02:18|280|00:02:22|800And then every ray life or Planetary Logos would be animated, of course, by energy 19|00:02:23|840|00:02:30|980pouring into it from one of the seven solar systems. Each Planetary Logos is particularly 20|00:02:31|500|00:02:43|040linked with one of the major Logoi in the seven solar systems of which ours is one. 21|00:02:43|360|00:02:52|300Just the way we have sacred and non-sacred Planetary Logoi, so there are sacred and 22|00:02:52|300|00:03:00|480non-sacred Solar Logoi, and I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that, let's say, within the seven 23|00:03:00|480|00:03:06|740solar systems of which ours is one, considering it as a collection of Solar Logoi, to find 24|00:03:06|740|00:03:13|060seven sacred Solar Logoi and a number of non-sacred Solar Logoi, perhaps five of them, 25|00:03:13|780|00:03:20|120just as there are to be, or are presently, five non-sacred planets in our solar system. 26|00:03:20|780|00:03:25|520So then naturally every ray life considered as a Planetary Logos would be animated 27|00:03:26|110|00:03:31|720by a life of a Logos of one of the seven solar systems and perhaps, 28|00:03:33|600|00:03:40|540who knows, maybe the non-sacred Planetary Logoi that we have in our solar system would be 29|00:03:40|540|00:03:51|060animated by non-sacred Solar Logoi in one of these Cosmic Logos, you know, of the kind on page 293 30|00:03:51|900|00:03:59|520in A Treatise on Cosmic Fire. Okay, just kind of reviewing a little here before we got 31|00:03:59|520|00:04:05|620so rudely interrupted: every planetary life then is actuated by three streams of force. 32|00:04:06|420|00:04:14|020Now actually we're discussing the planetary, the ray lives as planetary lives, coming from 33|00:04:14|020|00:04:24|800solar systems other than our own, one of the other six I'm calling it, of which Sirius and Alpha and 34|00:04:25|440|00:04:33|120Beta Centauri and Procyon and Altair and so forth are other, we hypothesize, related solar systems. 35|00:04:33|940|00:04:39|060By our own solar system naturally, ray life or Planetary Logos, if they are equivalent, 36|00:04:39|060|00:04:45|060and they are sometimes equivalent, would naturally be animated by our Solar Logos 37|00:04:45|060|00:04:54|780and his solar system, since the ray lives as Planetary Logoi are in fact the chakras 38|00:04:55|480|00:05:03|900of our Solar Logos, yes, and animated by our own planetary life, meaning that our own planetary 39|00:05:03|900|00:05:10|800life sends its influence to every other Planetary Logos considered as a ray life. 40|00:05:12|120|00:05:18|120And then here we go with Proposition 2: every one of the ray lives is the recipient and custodian 41|00:05:18|120|00:05:23|060of energies coming from, and you know, here are some of the different versions of ray lives. 42|00:05:23|940|00:05:30|740The seven spirits before the throne in Shamballa are ray lives; the Planetary Logoi are also ray 43|00:05:30|740|00:05:36|480lives. That's the most probable thing we're talking about, but they also are seven 44|00:05:36|480|00:05:45|760spirits before the throne. I really should make that, they also are seven spirits before the throne, 45|00:05:46|360|00:05:56|360but in this case the throne of the Solar Logos, and then also even constellational chakras 46|00:05:56|920|00:06:05|260or great Cosmic Logoi can be considered ray lives. Okay, so Proposition 2: each one of the ray lives 47|00:06:05|260|00:06:13|680is the recipient and the custodian of energies coming from these seven solar systems. Now this 48|00:06:13|680|00:06:18|580is where we were truncated, so each one of the solar systems is most related to one of the 49|00:06:18|580|00:06:25|560planetary Logoi, and non-sacred solar systems would be perhaps related to non-sacred planetary 50|00:06:25|560|00:06:33|320Logoi, and then we go on. Each one of the ray lives is the recipient of energies coming from, 51|00:06:33|460|00:06:39|660also the twelve constellations because each one of the planetary Logoi is particularly related to 52|00:06:39|660|00:06:47|000one or other of the 12, and these are zodiacal constellations, right? Okay, let's get that up. 53|00:06:47|000|00:06:49|400These are zodiacal constellations. 54|00:06:51|400|00:07:01|540Okay, Proposition 3. We got that far, huh? It was a real shock to find that the webinar had 55|00:07:01|540|00:07:09|940suddenly ended and no conversation was taking place, so I hope that when you went over 56|00:07:10|490|00:07:16|580the truncated number 12, it didn't sound too foolish. I wasn't in the middle of some kind 57|00:07:16|580|00:07:24|870of sentence which made it seem too ragged, but certainly that's possible. Okay, now moving on, 58|00:07:25|980|00:07:32|420Proposition Three—It is the quality of a ray life—manifesting in time and space—which 59|00:07:33|300|00:07:39|420determines the phenomenal appearance. so in other words, what he's saying here, 60|00:07:39|960|00:07:45|980which is quite different from the way our thinkers and in this day and age consider 61|00:07:46|580|00:07:53|120the human being, what we're saying is quality determines the nature of form, 62|00:07:53|780|00:07:58|460and not the other way around. Oftentimes we think that the nature of form is producing 63|00:08:00|040|00:08:07|580quality. There is a definition of a ray, and let's see if we can find that. 64|00:08:11|680|00:08:15|520Okay, okay, I've got to spell the word “definition” correctly. Definition 65|00:08:16|580|00:08:25|020true ray, yeah, and this we should review and it's in Esoteric Psychology 1. “A ray is but a name 66|00:08:25|670|00:08:33|820for a particular force or type of energy with the emphasis upon the quality which the force exhibits 67|00:08:33|820|00:08:45|400and not upon the force aspect which it creates.” The quality is the inner color, inner note, 68|00:08:45|400|00:08:53|760inner sound, and the force aspect which it creates is a form. This is a true 69|00:08:53|760|00:09:00|900definition of a ray, but notice how D.K. is here. He doesn't say this is the one and only true 70|00:09:00|900|00:09:07|100definition of a ray. He says that this is a definition of a ray, so we have to be very 71|00:09:07|100|00:09:14|180careful about indefinite articles and definite articles when we're reading the Tibetan, because 72|00:09:14|760|00:09:21|920then we will know whether a definition is exclusive or whether it is one of a number of 73|00:09:21|920|00:09:32|260possible definitions for any item or object. All right, going back here, we have said that quality 74|00:09:32|260|00:09:42|280determines the nature of the form. Okay, all right, quality determines the nature of the form. 75|00:09:42|280|00:09:51|520Proposition 3: it is the quality of a ray life, and that is one of the seven constituent colors, 76|00:09:51|600|00:09:59|060notes, sounds, manifesting in time and space which determines the phenomenal appearance. 77|00:09:59|180|00:10:09|860By phenomenal appearance, we assume he means the appearance in the three lower worlds. 78|00:10:10|660|00:10:20|260Although since our seven planes are simply part of the cosmic physical plane, which is after all 79|00:10:20|260|00:10:26|840physical in the cosmic sense, we could say in a way that anything manifesting on the 80|00:10:27|580|00:10:35|960cosmic physical plane is in a way cosmically phenomenal, though not systemically phenomenal. 81|00:10:35|960|00:10:41|320The three lower worlds hold those expressions which are systemically phenomenal. 82|00:10:42|700|00:10:53|860All right, and there are other of these kinds of propositions which are quite demanding and about 83|00:10:53|860|00:11:02|580which there are many interpretations. We'll get to them and do our best to indicate the possibilities, 84|00:11:02|580|00:11:09|900but not really being able to ascertain entirely what the Tibetan said or why he has put things in 85|00:11:09|900|00:11:16|100such puzzling language. I suppose it's because he wants people to think, oh, for a short time like 86|00:11:16|100|00:11:27|120maybe 50, 75, 100 years before delivering a truer answer to them. I think that what will happen if 87|00:11:27|120|00:11:32|960they think for that long is that they will learn much, much more than if he simply handed them the 88|00:11:32|960|00:11:38|260answer. Okay, Before we penetrate further into the consideration of our theme, I would like to 89|00:11:38|260|00:11:44|940emphasise two points: All right, let's see what they are. First of all, that we are considering 90|00:11:46|380|00:11:54|880esoteric influences and not astrology, per se. In other words, many hidden energies, 91|00:11:54|880|00:12:07|020many of which are not related to the usually considered astrological factors, and not astrology 92|00:12:07|020|00:12:17|480Our subject is the seven rays and their relationship to the zodiacal constellations or— 93|00:12:17|480|00:12:26|160in other words—the interaction of the seven great Lives which inform our solar system with the 94|00:12:26|160|00:12:35|640twelve constellations which compose our zodiac. Well, okay, but remember that the origin of the seven 95|00:12:35|640|00:12:44|860rays is also higher than the… well, all right, let's look at it this way. Seven great lives 96|00:12:45|360|00:12:53|540which are beyond the status of planetary Logoi do inform our solar system through the planetary 97|00:12:53|540|00:13:05|140Logoi. These lives are the six other major solar Logoi associated with our own, and they are also, 98|00:13:05|140|00:13:17|380in a still more remote sense, seven great cosmic Logoi, each of them having solar Logoi as chakras. 99|00:13:18|300|00:13:28|060Solar system solar Logoi, and our solar Logos is found in one of these cosmic Logoi. I use the main 100|00:13:28|060|00:13:35|780reference there as A Treatise on Cosmic Fire, page 293, that particular chart. So our subject is the 101|00:13:35|780|00:13:47|500seven rays coming from seven stars in our local cosmic Logos, and more remotely from seven great 102|00:13:47|500|00:13:57|150constellations, and how these super zodiacal constellations inform the lives within… 103|00:13:58|300|00:14:05|720inform the 12 constellations and also the lives within our solar system, such as the planetary 104|00:14:05|720|00:14:15|560Logoi. Now you know we have a chicken and egg situation here, because the zodiacal 105|00:14:15|560|00:14:25|140constellations, each one of them represent one petal in the major 12-petaled head center, or crown 106|00:14:25|140|00:14:33|160center, of the “One About Whom Naught May Be Said.” Now that's a pretty high position, so sometimes you 107|00:14:33|160|00:14:44|720might wonder whether such a position as that in the great grand heavenly man—you know, a lot 108|00:14:44|720|00:14:53|620grander than our solar Logos is grand—is not a dominating position, and that other constellations, 109|00:14:53|620|00:15:00|760say representing his solar plexus or representing his heart, and so forth, are not related to those 110|00:15:00|760|00:15:11|860higher petals in the major head center as the lesser centers in a human being are related to 111|00:15:11|860|00:15:17|900the centers in the head. So we do have a bit of a chicken and egg thing going on there. The 112|00:15:19|420|00:15:26|520zodiacal constellations are by no means negligible; they are very, very powerful. If they truly 113|00:15:28|260|00:15:37|040represent the 12 petals of the heart in the head center of the “One About Whom Naught May Be Said,” 114|00:15:37|040|00:15:45|160they are very powerful in their expression. I suppose what we have to do in order to get some 115|00:15:45|160|00:15:52|220sense of scope about this is to say, “Okay, well, man has seven head centers in addition to having this 116|00:15:52|220|00:15:59|340immense crown center. The seven head centers may or may not be part of the crown center; they may 117|00:15:59|340|00:16:07|340be found within the head; they may be controlled by the crown center. So which is more powerful 118|00:16:07|340|00:16:18|020in the human being? The 12 petals of our heart in the head center, or our seven head centers?” 119|00:16:18|920|00:16:25|060And of course, the way it looks to me at the moment is that the 12 petals in the heart and the head 120|00:16:25|060|00:16:34|900center are more powerful than our seven head centers. Both of them, however, are connected with 121|00:16:34|900|00:16:40|520Vulcan, but I do believe that the heart in the head center of the human being is more connected— 122|00:16:41|160|00:16:47|180well, let's say with Neptune as well, with Neptune as well—I'll put it that way. 123|00:16:47|880|00:16:54|620For various reasons, including Neptune's major rulership in a transcendental sense 124|00:16:54|620|00:17:01|260of the sign Pisces, which is the 12th sign and thus related to the 12-petaled heart in the head 125|00:17:01|260|00:17:07|380center. All right, that was a digression, I guess. So first of all, he tells us we are considering 126|00:17:07|380|00:17:14|620esoteric influences and not astrology per se. And then the next thing he tells us 127|00:17:17|140|00:17:21|220Secondly, that we have necessarily to study these energies and their interplay 128|00:17:21|800|00:17:28|420from the angle of their effect upon the planet, which is—you know, this is primary. 129|00:17:29|480|00:17:36|860How do these great energies of the remainder of the solar system and our solar Logos and 130|00:17:36|860|00:17:42|740beyond our solar Logos and beyond the cosmic Logos—how do they affect our planet? That's 131|00:17:42|740|00:17:49|660the first thing. and incidentally, their effect upon the forms in the various kingdoms of nature 132|00:17:50|180|00:17:56|700and particularly in connection with the fourth kingdom, the human, and with individual man— 133|00:17:56|880|00:18:02|400average man, the disciple and the initiate. Individual average man—we begin to look rather 134|00:18:02|980|00:18:12|260microscopic. So it would be far more important to know how these energies affect all the kingdoms 135|00:18:12|260|00:18:21|960in nature, and even the human kingdom, than it is to know how they affect average individual man who is 136|00:18:21|960|00:18:29|520isolated in his own estimation, but of course who is not isolated at all. 137|00:18:30|460|00:18:36|380Then what else does D.K. say? He said primarily it's not astrology; it's subtle energies. 138|00:18:37|200|00:18:44|200Secondarily, it's the planet that is important. And let's see—are there more that he says here? 139|00:18:47|340|00:18:54|380Yes, all right. “We shall enter in”—he's continuing—We shall enter into no definitions in connection 140|00:18:54|380|00:18:59|720with technical astrology, He certainly makes plenty of definitions in relation to esoteric 141|00:18:59|720|00:19:06|640astrology, but none in relation to technical astrology. nor shall I use the many technical 142|00:19:06|640|00:19:15|320terms. These we have to learn from a study of astrology as it exists.“ We learn these from 143|00:19:15|320|00:19:26|820present astrology, which is technical in many respects. You know, we learn our trines, 144|00:19:29|320|00:19:37|980sextiles, sesquiquadrates, undeciles, septiles. We learn the names for the various aspects and we 145|00:19:37|980|00:19:45|280learn the names of the various configurations and that kind of thing. D.K. is not entering into. 146|00:19:45|400|00:19:48|440He is not interpreting the individual horoscope, but interestingly enough, 147|00:19:49|120|00:20:00|460if you really attend carefully, he does say plenty about the tendency of certain types 148|00:20:00|460|00:20:06|120of people. He talks about these individual tendencies, and you can gather quite a bit 149|00:20:06|120|00:20:14|780about their character, which of course is what ordinary astrology tries to delineate as well. 150|00:20:14|780|00:20:19|940So the Tibetan makes a general statement, but sometimes there are exceptions in 151|00:20:19|940|00:20:23|880what he actually does, and he does give you hints that are very valuable. 152|00:20:27|160|00:20:35|080If, in the presentation of this vast subject, and in the process of indicating the attitude of the 153|00:20:35|080|00:20:43|080Ageless Wisdom to this new and coming (yet very ancient) “science of effective energies,” as it has 154|00:20:43|080|00:20:51|960been called, I may present a new approach, or point out an unsuspected relation and from the 155|00:20:51|960|00:20:58|700standpoint of the Ageless Wisdom correct what are deemed errors by the Teachers on the inner side of life, 156|00:20:58|700|00:21:04|520I am hoping that some astrologers may be found who will be sensitive to that which is new. Well, 157|00:21:05|480|00:21:12|120I guess a few were found. He did give this out to a few of the 158|00:21:13|720|00:21:20|720— he gave this out in the disciples' degree, some papers. It obviously reached the students before 159|00:21:20|720|00:21:28|220it was collated and made into a book, and I believe he said that out of all the people he gave it to, 160|00:21:28|220|00:21:37|020maybe there were four that took a real interest — maybe four took a real interest 161|00:21:38|700|00:21:45|120in what he had to say. I think one of these who took an interest was Dane Rudhyar, the 162|00:21:45|620|00:21:51|300very famous philosophical astrologer who dedicated his 163|00:21:52|940|00:22:01|340first impressive book, The Astrology of Personality, to Alice Bailey. Yes, he took a real interest, and 164|00:22:01|340|00:22:08|740there were some others. I guess not a great record, considering the value of what was presented, 165|00:22:08|740|00:22:17|400but when you think about it, the numbers — the numbers certainly have grown. “Science of effective 166|00:22:17|400|00:22:27|660energies” — in other words, what is effective in causing what is happening. So if we really want to 167|00:22:27|660|00:22:36|840know the causes of the effects which we witness in the phenomenal world, we will want to 168|00:22:36|840|00:22:45|100know the energies which effect and affect these causes — which affect the causes and bring 169|00:22:45|100|00:22:52|620about effects. So D.K. had high hopes. Now, that was 80 years ago, and today many books are written 170|00:22:52|620|00:23:02|860based upon his type astrology. I am believing says D.K., that there are investigators — notice the 171|00:23:02|860|00:23:09|920scientific implication there — investigators along astrological lines who will be open-minded enough 172|00:23:09|920|00:23:18|220to recognise possible hypotheses and then to make fair experiment with them. Some of these have been 173|00:23:18|220|00:23:26|800found. It took a long time, however, for average professional astrologers to accept what D.K. has 174|00:23:26|800|00:23:33|880said, even tentatively, and many of them simply rejected. So we are not yet in the era when the 175|00:23:33|880|00:23:42|960soul has made its presence felt in an identifiable, noticeable way in the eyes of sufficient 176|00:23:42|960|00:23:52|360astrologers to take up this soul-centered astrology — this astrology of the soul's effect 177|00:23:52|880|00:24:02|220within the personality. May I repeat: — he really wants to bring this out — I am not writing a treatise 178|00:24:02|220|00:24:12|360upon astrology, Although, given the weight and the breadth of astrological information, 179|00:24:12|360|00:24:21|040you know, you could wonder why he says this, because there's just a tremendous amount about the 180|00:24:21|040|00:24:28|780new esoteric astrology. I am not writing a treatise upon astrology, but one upon the seven rays 181|00:24:29|490|00:24:36|640and their equivalent and corresponding energies, — and by that I suppose he may mean some of the 182|00:24:36|640|00:24:44|240astrological energies — upon the effects of ray energy and the interplay of these energies with, 183|00:24:44|910|00:24:53|010and their effect upon, the various planetary forces, particularly those of the Earth. Well, we have to 184|00:24:53|010|00:25:05|090— geocentric here — we have to study our own little planet and our life upon this planet, 185|00:25:05|770|00:25:13|410because this is where the problem lies at the moment, regardless of the fact that 186|00:25:13|770|00:25:22|430the causes are in some cases very remote — from other stellar sources that are out of alignment and 187|00:25:23|010|00:25:29|510from an earlier solar system in which not all went as it should have gone. Yes, those are causes, 188|00:25:29|510|00:25:36|690but they are remote. We have to study our earth and the immediate effects and those causes about which 189|00:25:36|690|00:25:45|590we can perhaps do something. Okay, so the seven rays and the equivalent and corresponding energies 190|00:25:46|810|00:25:51|170— planetary energies are to some extent equivalent and corresponding, and so are 191|00:25:51|870|00:25:59|010zodiacal energies. I am looking for those fair-minded astrologers to make do experiment. 192|00:25:59|010|00:26:04|770I guess we need someone with Libra and the fifth ray. Libra will make them fair-minded, and the 193|00:26:04|770|00:26:10|950fifth ray will allow the experimental approach.I am looking for these fair-minded 194|00:26:10|950|00:26:17|970astrologers to make due experiment with the factors and suggestions which I may indicate. 195|00:26:19|170|00:26:24|290I wonder when he was beginning writing this whether he knew all that he would indicate. 196|00:26:24|490|00:26:32|890He certainly extended what he indicated farther than he may have anticipated when writing A 197|00:26:32|890|00:26:39|310Treatise on Cosmic Fire, and this we see in The Rays and the Initiations as well, in which additional 198|00:26:41|150|00:26:47|430information is given beyond on the seven cosmic paths, for instance, beyond that which was given 199|00:26:47|430|00:26:53|570in Initiation, Human and Solar and beyond that which was given in A Treatise on Cosmic Fire. 200|00:26:54|310|00:27:01|710He was given permission from the higher authorities to give more information. Such 201|00:27:01|710|00:27:11|610must have been the progress of humanity between 1925 and 1945, given that the great war had come 202|00:27:11|610|00:27:22|650to a conclusion in 1945 and the Christ had stated his intention to return in his Mayavirupa—I 203|00:27:22|650|00:27:30|770assume in physical form. Okay, so that made a big difference, I think. With this in mind, 204|00:27:30|770|00:27:37|650let us proceed. Boy, we're making rapid progress here, aren't we? We've done 28 pages. Well, a lot 205|00:27:37|650|00:27:47|730of this is explanatory of a larger picture, and as I've said, maybe what I'm doing in this particular 206|00:27:48|290|00:27:59|930presentation, which may go on for years, God willing, is to discuss occultism in general 207|00:28:00|450|00:28:07|430in astrological terms. So perhaps these esoteric astrology adventures 208|00:28:08|250|00:28:16|210include a little more than astrology and have a lot of references to other aspects of the 209|00:28:16|210|00:28:22|630Tibetan's work. Okay, I have pointed out that these energies fall into three groups: Now 210|00:28:22|630|00:28:32|270we have to be very attentive in noting the areas of life to which the energies apply, because 211|00:28:32|270|00:28:39|090sometimes he seems to say one thing and sometimes another, as in the case of constellations and 212|00:28:39|090|00:28:50|310signs. So let us see. 1. Those coming from certain great constellations which are to be found active 213|00:28:50|310|00:28:59|650in relation to our solar system and which, from the most ancient days, have always been related 214|00:28:59|650|00:29:08|110 in myth and legend to our system. So Master Morya has somewhere said that—I'll paraphrase— 215|00:29:08|110|00:29:15|670if it's a legend, it's the truth that all legends are true. Of course, we have to be able to interpret 216|00:29:15|670|00:29:23|790the legends. To these constellations, ours is related in a peculiar way. Now there he goes. 217|00:29:24|650|00:29:34|670He seems to be calling our solar system a constellation, perhaps. He seems to be calling our 218|00:29:35|330|00:29:47|950solar system a constellation, but he could also be calling the cosmic Logos in which our solar system 219|00:29:47|950|00:29:56|130finds its place as a constellation. That is also possible, but you know, be aware 220|00:29:56|660|00:30:05|910that, as I've explained, the terms “system” and “constellation” are, from the intellectual point 221|00:30:05|910|00:30:12|290of view, interchangeable because of the meanings of the words. So we have to watch carefully. 222|00:30:12|290|00:30:21|850Is our solar system a constellation, and are our planets really stars in a way? 223|00:30:22|510|00:30:27|570Some research was done to show that from the Secret Doctrine that maybe Mars had once been 224|00:30:27|570|00:30:33|690a star. It sounds far-fetched, but I'll try to look up the reference. I think 225|00:30:34|990|00:30:39|530Jeremy in our Morya Federation found that reference, and it's something, you know, 226|00:30:40|290|00:30:47|570really amazing if true, and if it's in the Secret Doctrine, it's—well, it's probably true. So anyway, 227|00:30:47|570|00:30:54|670is he calling our solar system a constellation or otherwise when he defines a solar system? 228|00:30:54|670|00:31:02|970Does he simply mean a system with one star? If a system had two stars and planets, would it be 229|00:31:02|970|00:31:09|900a constellation, or would it be a solar system? So this has to be worked out. Anyway, there are 230|00:31:09|900|00:31:20|560great constellations. They are extra-zodiacal. They are certainly extra-systemic, and they affect 231|00:31:20|560|00:31:27|100our solar system in a peculiar way. They are related to our solar system in a peculiar 232|00:31:27|100|00:31:39|040and important way. Well, in any case, he does define at one point a solar system as a system with a 233|00:31:39|040|00:31:47|800single sun. I have to find that reference for you. The more references I've collected, it seems the 234|00:31:47|800|00:31:54|720harder they are to isolate. There must be an easier way to do it. Anyway, most definitely he 235|00:31:54|720|00:32:00|020does define the solar system in that way, but he also defines it in a way which suggests that 236|00:32:00|830|00:32:07|740the word “solar system” and “constellation” are interchangeable. Alright, so certain energies come 237|00:32:07|740|00:32:18|420from certain constellations, and these energies are the ones we have to study because they are 238|00:32:18|420|00:32:25|800affecting the Earth particularly. 2. Those coming from the twelve zodiacal constellations. Well, 239|00:32:25|800|00:32:33|740astrology has made a specialty of studying these particular types of energies. These are recognised 240|00:32:33|740|00:32:41|140as having a definite effect upon our system and our planetary life. and via the science they 241|00:32:41|140|00:32:50|780certainly have a particular effect upon man. Okay, and the next: 3. Those coming from the planets 242|00:32:50|780|00:32:59|200found within the periphery of the Sun's sphere of influence. Now there can be over 115 such planets 243|00:32:59|910|00:33:08|370as he tells us in Cosmic Fire. Seven of them are sacred; eventually we are told 12 will be 244|00:33:08|600|00:33:15|780will be sacred, and all of these, including the influences of the asteroids and the influences 245|00:33:15|780|00:33:24|860of the various planetoids and moons, all of these have their influence upon the Earth. So great 246|00:33:24|860|00:33:33|020constellations, zodiacal constellations and planetary influences all impact our Earth and 247|00:33:33|020|00:33:40|920eventually reach through our particular creative hierarchy, the fourth, and our particular kingdom, 248|00:33:40|920|00:33:48|100the fourth, eventually reach what the Tibetan sometimes humorously calls microscopic man. 249|00:33:48|920|00:33:58|740All right now, we move on. From a certain point of view, one can generalise largely and say that 250|00:33:59|620|00:34:06|600these are the correspondences in the solar system to the three great centres of force which produce 251|00:34:06|600|00:34:14|580and control manifestation and evolutionary progress in the human being: So these three sources— 252|00:34:15|700|00:34:21|440and it's always from a certain point of view, not from all points of view—one can generalize largely 253|00:34:21|440|00:34:28|660in a large way and say that these three sources are correspondences in the solar system 254|00:34:29|460|00:34:36|960to the great centers of force which are producing evolution, progress in the human being. 255|00:34:37|720|00:34:44|480All right, let's look at this. So we have again the great constellations. He says there are three 256|00:34:44|480|00:34:49|800great constellations: Great Bear, Sirius, and the Pleiades. But actually there are more as you'll 257|00:34:49|800|00:34:57|320see him listing them: the 12 zodiacal constellations as they affect life in our solar system and planet, 258|00:34:57|840|00:35:01|860and then the planets. Okay, so what are the correspondences of these three within our 259|00:35:01|860|00:35:10|400solar system? The great exterior, exterior to our solar system and perhaps even to the zodiacal wheel, 260|00:35:10|400|00:35:19|3801. The great exterior, yet controlling, constellations are analogous to that centre of force which we 261|00:35:19|380|00:35:27|860call the Monad and to its universal will-to-power which is distinctive of the first divine aspect. 262|00:35:27|860|00:35:35|900And what he's saying here is that all monads have this will to power or will to persist, will 263|00:35:35|900|00:35:44|280through power, all of them regardless of the ray. So the great external constellations, exterior 264|00:35:44|280|00:35:51|760constellations, are analogous to the spirit aspect and convey the will to power. That 2. The twelve 265|00:35:51|760|00:35:58|240constellations might be regarded as embodying the soul aspect Note the word “might.” 266|00:35:58|240|00:36:04|920There is only from a certain point of view. “Might be embodied,” regarded as embodying the soul aspect, 267|00:36:04|920|00:36:12|300and, for the present, their effect upon the individual must be regarded and should be 268|00:36:12|300|00:36:17|420studied in terms of consciousness and of the development of the life of the soul. Now 269|00:36:17|420|00:36:26|260remember what he just said earlier: that the zodiacal signs are affecting the man who lives 270|00:36:26|260|00:36:32|880below the diaphragm. So he's definitely at certain points in the book making a distinction between 271|00:36:32|880|00:36:41|880what the constellations do and what the signs do. The signs are tropical influences, and the 272|00:36:41|880|00:36:47|740constellations are stellar influences. So we're talking about the development of the soul life 273|00:36:47|740|00:36:57|160in relation to constellations. This, in its essence, is, in essence, the will to love. Now a lot of 274|00:36:57|160|00:37:05|920astrological researchers have not found too much correlation with the zodiacal signs and man's 275|00:37:05|920|00:37:10|640behavior, but they certainly have found the correlation with the planets. So it may be that 276|00:37:11|050|00:37:17|720the influence of the constellations as they reach through the signs, stimulating the soul, 277|00:37:18|160|00:37:28|800are not found in so many human beings in a statistically measurable way, although we are 278|00:37:28|800|00:37:34|860getting better at doing this and more and more people are reaching soul expression. So perhaps 279|00:37:34|860|00:37:44|100some statistical representation of what the signs give, and through them of course the 280|00:37:44|100|00:37:49|960zodiacal constellations, will be emerging. So This is in essence the will-to-love. The other one was the 281|00:37:49|960|00:37:56|360will to power: the great external constellations, the will to power, and the will to love, the 282|00:37:56|360|00:38:04|580zodiacal constellations. And the third effect: 3. The planets, twelve in number (seven sacred planets and five 283|00:38:04|580|00:38:14|320non-sacred), are effective (using the word in a technical sense) in relation to the external 284|00:38:14|320|00:38:20|240life, environment and circumstances of the individual. They can be, let us say, noticed; they 285|00:38:20|240|00:38:31|460can be measured. Um, let's see here. They can be noticed and measured and more easily recognized. 286|00:38:33|080|00:38:44|300Okay, um, they—their impacts are measurable and discernible to the consciousness more 287|00:38:44|300|00:38:52|300of average man—to the average intelligent man. Perhaps the zodiacal influences are somewhat more 288|00:38:52|300|00:39:01|740subtle, and it takes some soul consciousness to register them. So, three great aspects: first, 289|00:39:01|740|00:39:07|840second, and third aspect. Their force contact should be interpreted largely in terms of the human 290|00:39:07|840|00:39:16|580personality. Notice, not fully and completely—only largely—because, as I say, planetary influences 291|00:39:16|580|00:39:24|880can certainly be active in generating a soul response in the human—in the higher type of human 292|00:39:24|880|00:39:31|740being. It depends on which ray of the planet is involved. I think Their force contacts should be 293|00:39:31|740|00:39:37|880interpreted largely in terms of the human personality, the third divine aspect. divine aspect—and They 294|00:39:37|880|00:39:45|340thus exemplify the will-to-know. So, the great exterior constellations: the will to power; 295|00:39:45|340|00:39:53|660zodiacal constellations: the will to love; and the twelve planets—seven sacred and five non-sacred— 296|00:39:53|660|00:40:03|260exemplifying, in a large sense, the will to know. And thus, we have to work our way up and through from 297|00:40:03|260|00:40:13|000the planets and being able to somewhat control and guide their influences in our life, to the 298|00:40:13|000|00:40:20|580zodiacal constellations, and eventually to the great exterior constellations when we have passed 299|00:40:21|320|00:40:27|740the third degree. I'm basing that on the fact that he tells us that certain of the fixed stars are 300|00:40:27|740|00:40:35|720only active after the third degree, and Sirius is one of them. Well, you know, from a very mundane 301|00:40:36|800|00:40:43|540perspective, there can be aspects involving the star Sirius, and a person can get bitten by a dog— 302|00:40:43|540|00:40:51|020a very mundane effect. Sirius will be involved. But he's talking about the real and true depth 303|00:40:51|580|00:40:58|920of the influence involved in human life, and in that case, Sirius and the third degree 304|00:40:59|820|00:41:06|800are related. And, of course, going beyond the third degree, when a person becomes a 305|00:41:07|600|00:41:14|640master of the wisdom, he's simply an entered apprentice, or a first-degree initiate, in the 306|00:41:14|640|00:41:20|820lodge of Sirius. So the Sirian influence certainly continues all the way to the seventh degree 307|00:41:21|700|00:41:28|260because the Christ, at the seventh degree—or partially completing the seventh degree—is an 308|00:41:28|260|00:41:35|140initiate of a certain status on Sirius. And I guess we could say a transfigured initiate. 309|00:41:36|180|00:41:43|140Okay, I would have you remember that I am talking entirely in terms of consciousness. You see, the 310|00:41:43|140|00:41:48|100new astrology very much is the astrology of consciousness. It's not the astrology of “what's 311|00:41:48|100|00:41:57|320going to happen to me?”—me, the little artificial non-existent, in a way, isolated center— 312|00:41:58|030|00:42:02|040the “me” that we have to get rid of through expanded consciousness. So, 313|00:42:02|720|00:42:09|820I would have you remember that I am talking entirely in terms of consciousness and of 314|00:42:09|820|00:42:15|080the responses and reactions of the individual to the forces which impinge upon him. Remember, the 315|00:42:15|080|00:42:21|920true individual—who is the true individual? The true individual is the soul. The true individual is 316|00:42:21|920|00:42:30|260the soul, the individualized unit. The effect of the emanation of our planet, the Earth, 317|00:42:31|710|00:42:38|920is a correspondence to the effect of that aggregate of atoms and molecules which we 318|00:42:38|920|00:42:46|000call the dense physical body—which, remember, is not a principle, at least in this solar system— 319|00:42:46|000|00:42:53|380not a principle—and of its response to the pull and the attraction of any or all of the subtler 320|00:42:53|380|00:43:04|060bodies. So I think what he's saying here is that the planets represent the subtle bodies, and the Earth, 321|00:43:04|640|00:43:12|960the dense physical body. The Earth per se, because we're carrying around with us this 322|00:43:14|380|00:43:19|160instrument—highly developed—but which is relating more to the Moon chain and the earlier solar 323|00:43:19|160|00:43:28|620system than it really relates to our own second-ray solar system. Okay, let's look here. 324|00:43:29|540|00:43:33|340All right, so we have three great types of energies, 325|00:43:35|940|00:43:42|580and in our solar system, their effect is basically a first, second, and third ray effect: 326|00:43:42|960|00:43:49|480the exterior constellations, the zodiacal constellations, and the planets—one, two, three. 327|00:43:50|480|00:44:01|040As regards the influence of the seven solar systems, I should suggest (more I cannot do) perhaps because 328|00:44:01|040|00:44:07|540of our limited capacity, but perhaps because it is not permitted at this stage to say more. 329|00:44:08|230|00:44:13|700I should suggest that the seven solar systems that they are linked up astrologically with the constellations, 330|00:44:13|700|00:44:26|460the Great Bear, the Pleiades, and Sirius. Now, note here, he does differentiate constellations from systems. 331|00:44:27|710|00:44:36|980Solar systems seem to be what they conventionally are: the aggregations, planetary aggregations around 332|00:44:37|540|00:44:47|260a particular solar Logos. Constellations are collections of solar Logoi. Now you know, 333|00:44:48|120|00:44:55|040Sirius in this case is called a constellation, so we have to ask: is Sirius 334|00:44:55|910|00:45:08|560really a constellation or a system, or both? Because sometimes our seven solar systems are local 335|00:45:08|560|00:45:19|700systems, and Sirius is a very close, proximate system. Are called seven solar systems are called 336|00:45:19|700|00:45:25|460constellation, and Sirius is found within it. So Sirius has kind of a dual role, perhaps as a 337|00:45:25|460|00:45:32|040constellation, perhaps as a system. And our seven solar systems are sometimes called the Sirian 338|00:45:32|040|00:45:40|240system. There's much to sort out there, much to clarify there. There are some veiled points 339|00:45:40|240|00:45:48|720which have to be unveiled. So the seven solar systems They are intimately related to them, 340|00:45:49|220|00:45:59|760but their exact effect is a transmitted one and cannot be noted as producing noticeable results, 341|00:45:59|760|00:46:07|820as yet, upon humanity and the other kingdoms in nature. So at this point, we have to ask: 342|00:46:08|340|00:46:22|540when D.K. speaks of the seven solar systems, does he mean the great constellations - 343|00:46:22|540|00:46:38|800uh, whoops - constellations which are, excuse me, which are chakras 344|00:46:38|800|00:46:48|180in the One About Whom Naught May Be Said? Or does he mean actually the seven solar systems? Remember, this word “system” can 345|00:46:48|180|00:46:55|500mean something very great and constellational, or it can simply mean a solar system. The effect of 346|00:46:55|500|00:47:02|000the three great constellations also cannot be noted by individual man until such time as he 347|00:47:02|000|00:47:09|160becomes conscious of the monadic vibration, after the third initiation. So basically, D.K. is saying 348|00:47:09|160|00:47:17|680here that the seven solar systems don't have a really noticeable effect upon humanity and the 349|00:47:17|680|00:47:25|340other kingdoms, whether these seven solar systems are solar Logoi or whether they are great chakras, 350|00:47:25|340|00:47:32|580constellational chakras in the One About Whom Naught May Be Said. These are high sources, and they 351|00:47:32|990|00:47:42|720have results, yes, but they are not noted. They cannot be noted as producing noticeable results. 352|00:47:42|720|00:47:48|980Maybe a master can notice the results, and they certainly have results, but human beings are not 353|00:47:48|980|00:48:00|840going to notice them there. They have an effect which is transmitted via the planets, and 354|00:48:01|620|00:48:07|840the effects, such as they have them, are mediated effects and not direct effects. 355|00:48:08|720|00:48:14|180So looking back here again, regarding the influence of the seven solar systems, 356|00:48:14|720|00:48:22|400I would say they are linked up with the great pair: Pleiades and Sirius. They are either vast 357|00:48:22|400|00:48:29|280systems of constellations, or they are simply seven solar systems. And maybe both. Maybe this 358|00:48:29|280|00:48:35|900is the way he has of veiling the fact that the great chakras in the One About Whom Naught May Be 359|00:48:35|900|00:48:42|900Said are specifically related to seven solar systems in our local cosmic Logos. 360|00:48:44|480|00:48:51|440Okay, I know it'd be nice to have some graphics on this, but I will have to leave that to others 361|00:48:51|440|00:48:58|840who may be interested in what I say to provide some graphics which help explain it more 362|00:48:58|840|00:49:05|420effectively. Then we have the effect of the three great constellations, which he just mentioned: great 363|00:49:06|380|00:49:14|500Pleiades and Sirius. And he uses the word “also” - they also cannot be noted by individual man 364|00:49:15|020|00:49:24|540until he reaches the monadic stage after the third initiation. So this is true as well of the seven 365|00:49:24|540|00:49:33|820solar systems. Their main influence is post - or post-third degree. There are many potent influences 366|00:49:33|820|00:49:41|280playing upon our solar system and the planet all the time but—as far as man is concerned— 367|00:49:41|840|00:49:48|900his response apparatus and his mechanism of reaction remain what is called “occultly 368|00:49:48|900|00:49:56|600unresponsive,”e.” So these influences are always there; we just don't have the mechanism to register them. 369|00:49:57|420|00:50:04|540They can be effective in us, but we don't notice, for they are not yet of a quality - the mechanism, 370|00:50:04|540|00:50:11|900the response apparatus, is not yet of a quality which will permit any noticeable recognition, 371|00:50:13|100|00:50:18|820In other words, the consciousness of man will not notice, either in the dense or subtler vehicles 372|00:50:19|330|00:50:29|820or even by the soul. So we are talking about very high influences here of the great constellations, 373|00:50:30|950|00:50:39|210which is not even noticed by the soul, but more by the monad - noticed more by the monad 374|00:50:39|210|00:50:49|230Later in the evolutionary process, recognition and response will come, but for all astrological 375|00:50:49|230|00:50:58|970purposes and recognisable produced effects, they may be regarded today as non-existent except as 376|00:50:58|970|00:51:06|770they react upon the fourth kingdom of nature as it constitutes 377|00:51:06|770|00:51:14|310a living unit in the body of the planetary Logos. Remember what he said here is that these great 378|00:51:14|310|00:51:21|250sources are producing effect upon the planets, and man is considered in his aggregate as a kingdom, 379|00:51:21|250|00:51:28|170as an aspect of the planet. So therefore, it is upon such a grouping as the fourth kingdom 380|00:51:28|170|00:51:37|950that some of these higher sources may have an effect. Let's see how much time we have. I don't 381|00:51:37|950|00:51:44|090want to… a little bit. I don't want to get into the same position as happened last time with the 382|00:51:44|090|00:51:53|810webinar suddenly ending and I am continuing to talk. Okay, As little conscious effect is produced 383|00:51:53|810|00:52:01|770by these forces as the effect of a high moment of contact in your morning meditation 384|00:52:04|630|00:52:11|190produces an effect upon the atom or cell in the little finger upon one of your hands. Well, that 385|00:52:11|190|00:52:19|730really puts it in proportion, doesn't it? Makes the three great constellations seem very remote, 386|00:52:19|730|00:52:31|030and it makes the seven solar systems, whether they are star systems or constellation systems, seem 387|00:52:31|030|00:52:39|830also extremely remote, very unlikely to be experienced, maybe impossible to be experienced by 388|00:52:39|830|00:52:48|630microscopic man, even in his soul nature. Remember, he told us even the soul—they 389|00:52:49|270|00:52:53|970escape recognition by that type of consciousness focused on the higher mental plane 390|00:52:53|970|00:53:01|290which we call soul consciousness, but they do not escape recognition by the monad. Okay, 391|00:53:01|290|00:53:10|790um, There may be a general response and. stimulation throughout the entire body, 392|00:53:10|790|00:53:17|330but the intelligent atom makes no conscious response. In other words, 393|00:53:17|330|00:53:24|130when we meditate, a general response throughout our entire body, but the particular intelligent 394|00:53:24|130|00:53:29|590atom makes no conscious response. And that's what we are—we are an intelligent atom, and we make as 395|00:53:29|590|00:53:38|790yet no conscious response to these, um, to these influences, except when we are becoming in our 396|00:53:38|790|00:53:45|230consciousness the monad. The vibration is of too high a character. Well, this does give us a certain 397|00:53:46|070|00:53:50|790sense of proportion here, doesn't it? So when we're talking about—well, how have the Pleiades 398|00:53:50|790|00:53:58|010influenced me today? How have I been influenced by the Great Bear and even by Sirius? 399|00:53:58|810|00:54:07|650We better pause and realize that even we as a soul are not really recognizing these influences, 400|00:54:08|170|00:54:15|110even though they are certainly there. Whoa, what does he say now? Speculation along these lines 401|00:54:15|110|00:54:21|390is profitless. I wonder what he would say to some of us about our speculations—profitless? 402|00:54:21|390|00:54:31|770I wonder. A vast system of interlocking energies is in active and rapid circulation throughout the 403|00:54:31|770|00:54:39|150 whole cosmic etheric body— and that could be the—well, you know, he could be talking about the entire 404|00:54:39|150|00:54:51|870universe or the cosmic etheric body of ours cosmic Logos of consisting of seven solar systems, 405|00:54:51|870|00:55:01|590of which ours is one. Anyway, it's a vast interlocking network of energies and… okay. 406|00:55:02|710|00:55:11|270Throughout the solar system, of which our systemic etheric body is an integral part— I think what I'm 407|00:55:11|270|00:55:20|130going to have to do here—I've had one of those little flukes. Um, okay, here we'll put that out 408|00:55:20|130|00:55:29|370there. All right, now we can come back. So, um, a vast system of interlocking energies is in rapid 409|00:55:29|370|00:55:33|870circulation throughout the whole cosmic etheric body, whatever its scope may be, 410|00:55:33|870|00:55:39|690of which our solar systemic etheric body is an integral part. Yes, our solar systemic 411|00:55:40|730|00:55:48|250etheric body is an integral part of a cosmic Logos, as we learned on page 293 of Cosmic Fire. 412|00:55:48|250|00:55:55|530but speculative research along the indicated lines and the following of obscure trails 413|00:55:56|030|00:56:01|790are utterly futile until the main highway of approach has been constructed and followed. 414|00:56:01|790|00:56:06|970and that's what we're trying to do here. That's what Master D.K. is doing for us here—producing a 415|00:56:06|970|00:56:16|310main highway of approach. Okay, just a little more time. The general outline of the astrological way 416|00:56:16|890|00:56:22|950is all that is possible today until the time when man can think in larger wholes and has a more 417|00:56:22|950|00:56:28|650synthetic capacity. Until the time when man can think… okay, well, in other words, when the 418|00:56:28|650|00:56:35|690antahkarana is built, when we are developing our abstract mind, our synthetic mind, when the 419|00:56:35|690|00:56:40|110antahkarana is built and that's what we're attempting to do. We shall confine ourselves 420|00:56:40|110|00:56:44|910to the vast field of energies which I have outlined for your consideration 421|00:56:45|870|00:56:52|110and shall consider only the major forces which are in circulation, as there are many, many more, 422|00:56:52|110|00:57:00|610but we can be overcome by complexity and it will not help us. It may be interesting, but it will not 423|00:57:00|610|00:57:07|310help us. This will suffice for our day and generation, and I presume by that he means until 424|00:57:08|180|00:57:15|830he writes the third installment of the teaching which will present new information on astrology. 425|00:57:15|830|00:57:25|070and which can be, according to his word, expected in 2025. And after, We are concerned with 426|00:57:25|070|00:57:34|090energies which can and do evoke response and of which man can be aware and, in many cases, I suppose, 427|00:57:35|100|00:57:40|970well among initiates certainly and among promising esoteric astrologers, is today aware. 428|00:57:41|790|00:57:51|190So we will follow the main points, the main energies, and not the obscure trails. But if I can 429|00:57:51|190|00:57:58|190be forgiven now and then for mentioning an obscure trail or two which could lead off in some very 430|00:57:58|190|00:58:04|630interesting speculation, perhaps it will stimulate the intuition. Okay, I think 431|00:58:08|570|00:58:16|330yes, yes, we're going to — when we take up esoteric astrology adventure number 14, 432|00:58:16|330|00:58:23|390we will begin with the next sentence. But for the moment, we have done esoteric astrology adventure 433|00:58:23|990|00:58:31|07013, and today is 28 June of 2011. I hope to be able to 434|00:58:32|190|00:58:36|470bring some of these discussions forward in a more regular way, but 435|00:58:37|410|00:58:44|630takes a lot of doing, and the timing is not always in my control. So let us close as we normally do, 436|00:58:44|630|00:58:52|250and this time we will not be interrupted by the closing — premature closing of the webinar. 437|00:58:52|250|00:58:55|050We will sound The Great Invocation together. 438|00:59:06|250|00:59:15|690From the point of light within the mind of God, let light stream forth into the minds of men. 439|00:59:16|300|00:59:19|470Let light descend on earth. 440|00:59:24|350|00:59:35|450From the point of love within the heart of God, let love stream forth into the hearts of men. 441|00:59:35|450|00:59:47|190May Christ return to earth. From the center where the will of God is known, let purpose guide the 442|00:59:47|190|00:59:59|230wills of men — the purpose which the masters know and serve. From the center which we call the race 443|00:59:59|230|01:00:07|590of men, let the plan of love and light work out, and may it seal the door where evil dwells. 444|01:00:08|850|01:00:15|930Let light and love and power restore the plan on earth. 445|01:00:37|590|01:00:38|930Om. 446|01:00:52|130|01:01:02|450Okay, thank you everyone, and we will continue with esoteric astrology adventure number 14.
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