1|00:00:03|340|00:00:15|100Hello everybody, we're beginning esoteric astrology adventure number 28, and we 2|00:00:15|100|00:00:25|820have reached page 58 in the book, and what? Only another 600 pages to go. All 3|00:00:25|820|00:00:33|860right, so we have come to the point where we are talking about the great wheel and 4|00:00:35|460|00:00:55|800spiritual unfoldment. Just make sure that all is showing well; yes, it is. From page 5|00:00:55|800|00:01:03|24058: Before I give you the remaining part of the chart which deals with the constellations 6|00:01:03|240|00:01:14|720as conductors of cosmic energies EA, p.58- obviously cosmic energies which lie even beyond the 7|00:01:14|720|00:01:21|540constellations and are even greater in their scope - or as transmitters of their own energy, EA, p.58 8|00:01:21|540|00:01:26|860Let's look at that carefully: conductors and transmitters. This is a special way of using 9|00:01:26|860|00:01:36|140those words, and the word “conductors” seems to suggest that the energy originates from an 10|00:01:36|140|00:01:45|160outside source, probably a greater source, probably from the super constellations or from even greater 11|00:01:45|160|00:01:57|600constellations. And “transmitters” suggest that the energy is pouring forth from the source itself. 12|00:01:58|020|00:02:05|080There's also a word “emitter.” “Transmitter” can be used as a word that suggests it comes from another 13|00:02:05|080|00:02:14|180source and passes through. “Emitting” can be used to indicate that it's coming from its own nature. 14|00:02:15|540|00:02:23|840Let's see. Okay, let's put that word in: emitting. I would like to remark that much that I shall say 15|00:02:23|840|00:02:31|740will be based upon: EA, p.58 1. The wheel of life and the path of man, 16|00:02:32|880|00:02:39|940the human being, as he passes through the signs according to the mode recognised by orthodox 17|00:02:39|940|00:02:50|560astrology. EA, p.58 Now that means that he will be responding to the orthodox rulers, and there will 18|00:02:50|560|00:03:04|480be a limit in his spiritual response. Okay. He, as well as the planets… Well, orthodox astrology 19|00:03:04|480|00:03:13|300doesn't deal with this at all, but DK is giving the real reason behind it - behind that limited 20|00:03:13|300|00:03:22|920response to the full potential of the signs, the constellations. Because when you cannot respond 21|00:03:22|920|00:03:30|080to the esoteric ruler or the hierarchical ruler in relation to a constellation or sign, you 22|00:03:30|080|00:03:40|620have a limited response range compared to the potentials possible. He, as well as the planets, 23|00:03:40|620|00:03:48|460apparently retrogrades through the signs and appears to pass through the constellations from Aries to Taurus. EA, p.58 24|00:03:48|540|00:03:56|460You can wonder from what perspective Master DK is viewing this. Can he see this? Is it actually 25|00:03:56|460|00:04:04|600happening? He says, But this is all part of the Great Illusion. EA, p.58 So how does this 26|00:04:04|600|00:04:14|380appearance appear? Now, if we were able to track the successive incarnations of an individual, 27|00:04:14|480|00:04:26|440would we see a pattern that demonstrates that he is somehow passing in a retrograde manner? 28|00:04:27|080|00:04:31|980But of course, we are always free to go around the wheel the other way, in the counterclockwise 29|00:04:31|980|00:04:38|980manner, and say that whatever sign we're dealing with, he has transited a number of signs and 30|00:04:38|980|00:04:46|260landed in this particular sign. I don't think we're talking about a sequential, point-by-point 31|00:04:46|260|00:04:52|280retrogression or progression. In other words, we're not talking about being born in Taurus if 32|00:04:52|280|00:04:58|020you were born previously in Aries. We're not talking about, let's say, dying in Taurus if 33|00:04:58|020|00:05:02|980you were born in Aries and therefore being born in Taurus, and then in the next life dying in Gemini 34|00:05:02|980|00:05:09|300and therefore being born with the Sun in Gemini - and the same for the reverse mode. I don't think 35|00:05:09|300|00:05:22|260we are talking about that. There's something symbolical going on here, and as I've tried to 36|00:05:22|260|00:05:27|300describe it, it's a personality, in which case we would be appearing to retrograde through the 37|00:05:27|300|00:05:34|980signs, or as a spiritual type or soul, in which we would be appearing to progress through the 38|00:05:34|980|00:05:43|320signs. Anyway, this has yet to be clarified - what exactly DK means. The wheel of life and the 39|00:05:43|320|00:05:51|580path of man, the divine or spiritual soul, EA, p.58 Man is considered in this case the divine or 40|00:05:51|580|00:05:55|760spiritual soul, and notice that we were discussing this in the last webinar: Was there a difference 41|00:05:55|760|00:06:04|600between divine soul and spiritual soul? And we decided that there might be a difference, and the 42|00:06:04|600|00:06:09|820divine soul could relate to the awareness of the monad and the spiritual soul through the awareness 43|00:06:09|820|00:06:15|340of the spiritual triad, or perhaps to the soul on its own plane. But in this particular case, 44|00:06:18|300|00:06:23|660DK seems to put them together: man the divine or spiritual soul, as if the spiritual soul is 45|00:06:23|660|00:06:31|560the divine soul, as he passes through the signs of the zodiac according to the mode studied by 46|00:06:31|560|00:06:41|580the esoteric astrologer. EA, p.58 Well, even the exoteric astrologer considers that astrology is 47|00:06:41|580|00:06:53|720progressive, i.e., proceeding counterclockwise, and the charts in general, when we direct planets, we… 48|00:06:53|720|00:06:58|440always direct them in a counterclockwise manner, although there are some astrologers who like to 49|00:06:58|440|00:07:08|840play the wheel in both directions using converse directions and converse progressions, but usually 50|00:07:08|840|00:07:16|600we go in a counterclockwise manner. In other words, no exoteric astrologer I know has conceived of 51|00:07:16|600|00:07:27|500man regressing backwards through the signs. So this has to be a kind of symbolic thought, and 52|00:07:28|120|00:07:35|440whether it is an actuality from any type of perspective, we do not know. Anyway, the esoteric 53|00:07:35|440|00:07:42|660astrologer views man as progressing counterclockwise: Aries, Taurus, Gemini, etc., until Pisces is reached. 54|00:07:43|340|00:07:53|440This is the Path of Reality as the other is the Path of Illusion. EA, p.58 Okay, now we have to see 55|00:07:53|440|00:08:06|460here whether, for some reason, there has been an interruption in the recording. I hope not. I don't 56|00:08:06|460|00:08:16|480dare go back and try to find that. Hopefully it will be okay. The wheel of life and the path 57|00:08:16|480|00:08:22|860of man, the divine or spiritual soul, as he passes through the signs of the zodiac according to the mode 58|00:08:22|860|00:08:28|660studied by the esoteric astrologer. EA, p.58—which is counterclockwise, and this means that the man 59|00:08:28|660|00:08:35|080is responding, you know, very simply to the higher potentials of the sign. In other words, let's just 60|00:08:35|080|00:08:45|880say progression counterclockwise means that man is responding to the higher dimensions of the sign 61|00:08:45|880|00:08:53|200or constellation. This is the Path of Reality as the other is the Path of Illusion. EA, p.58 always 62|00:08:53|200|00:09:02|680when the consciousness is responding from the personal perspective. The illusion of Ahamkara 63|00:09:02|680|00:09:13|260is involved. For some reason I'm getting the sign about the experiencing of degraded audio. I hope 64|00:09:13|820|00:09:25|200that that is not the case, and I'll just lower this a little bit and see if it can help. This 65|00:09:25|200|00:09:31|680carries the disciple EA, p.58—that is, the Path of Reality carries the disciple around the path from 66|00:09:31|680|00:09:40|700commencement in Aries to consummation in Pisces. EA, p.58 By consummation we generally mean the taking of 67|00:09:40|700|00:09:55|560the fourth degree, or even the fifth. The present method is based upon the temporary truth EA, p.58 The 68|00:09:55|560|00:10:01|160present method—you know, he's suggesting that ordinary astrologers are considering a 69|00:10:01|500|00:10:07|700retrogressive method. Well, that particular concept is not in their mind, but their method of 70|00:10:07|700|00:10:17|660interpretation is equivalent to the one that D.K. says is associated with a retrogression through 71|00:10:17|660|00:10:25|160the signs. The present method is based upon the temporary truth that ordinary man is subject to 72|00:10:25|160|00:10:36|680the illusory nature of manifestation and “as he thinks, so is he.” EA, p.58 He believes in the reality of 73|00:10:36|680|00:10:46|540the kaleidoscopic in the universal kaleidoscope. In other words, these various aggregations or forms 74|00:10:46|540|00:10:57|860or comings together within a field of energy are seen to him as real. How does D.K. 75|00:10:58|380|00:11:07|980describe the usual forms with which we deal? He calls them congestions. So aggregations, which 76|00:11:07|980|00:11:18|920are congestions—man believes in their reality, and as he thinks, so is he. According to his 77|00:11:18|920|00:11:27|280conceptions, so he lives, and it is a temporary truth. It's temporary because it lasts only so 78|00:11:27|280|00:11:38|520long as man does not begin to aspire and find himself as an inwardly spiritual being who is 79|00:11:38|520|00:11:47|900distinct from his lower nature. In other words, that sense of spiritual duality has not yet entered. 80|00:11:47|900|00:11:55|780Once it does, this temporary truth is set aside, and man begins to progress in a different way. 81|00:11:55|780|00:12:04|240When, however, he becomes Hercules, the Sun God (or solar Angel), EA, p.58 very interesting here, 82|00:12:06|040|00:12:12|020relating Hercules as a Sun God to the solar Angel. In other words, when he begins to respond 83|00:12:12|020|00:12:22|160to causal consciousness, or even can begin to enter causal consciousness, he begins to reverse 84|00:12:22|160|00:12:34|020the process (again only apparently) EA, p.58—it's not a reality— and a definite reorientation takes place. EA, p.58 85|00:12:35|380|00:12:43|100Interesting about Leo in relation to the solar angel: that which takes place on the higher mental 86|00:12:43|100|00:12:51|680plane, the twelve-petal lotus that is created, is indeed in its radiance related 87|00:12:51|680|00:13:00|400to the sign Leo. And all the gifts and values and potency stored in the causal body are very much 88|00:13:00|400|00:13:08|960ruled by the fifth house of the horoscope, considered spiritually. So Hercules is in his Leo 89|00:13:08|960|00:13:18|200aspect here as a Sun God or a solar angel, which is the man identifying with that which the solar 90|00:13:18|200|00:13:26|900angel has created on the higher mental plane. So man becomes, kind of—in that respect, man becomes 91|00:13:28|600|00:13:38|000a minor solar angel, in a way. A reorientation takes place. The Teachers on the inner side, 92|00:13:38|000|00:13:46|380therefore, study the horoscope only in its relation to the following three entities: EA, p.58-59 and 93|00:13:47|400|00:13:57|300these are: 1. The horoscope of the planet itself as the expression of the life of the 94|00:13:57|300|00:14:05|440planetary Logos. EA, p.59 When D.K. uses the word “planet,” we don't know whether he means the dense planet per 95|00:14:05|440|00:14:16|360se or the etheric physical planet, or whether he is including a number of the vehicles of the 96|00:14:16|360|00:14:25|860planet, including perhaps its astral body, mental body, and other vehicles. So is it a very concrete 97|00:14:25|860|00:14:35|540term to be applied only physically? In any case, we are studying a globe, a planetary globe, and the 98|00:14:35|540|00:14:43|720question remains: how many levels of subtleties does a globe have? I've always thought that it has 99|00:14:43|720|00:14:51|040quite a number of levels of subtlety, just the way the human body is accompanied by many levels of 100|00:14:51|040|00:15:00|440subtlety. And I've always thought that the other globes, let us say six others, are not the subtle 101|00:15:00|440|00:15:09|860vehicles of, let us say, our own earth globe. They are their own globe and have their own still 102|00:15:09|860|00:15:18|100subtler vehicles than the outermost vehicle through which they express. So the Masters are 103|00:15:18|100|00:15:26|940the great ones, the teachers. They study the horoscope of the planet itself as the expression 104|00:15:26|940|00:15:32|820of the life of the planetary Logos. There's only one expression because the planetary Logos 105|00:15:32|820|00:15:39|660expresses through other globes, through other chains, and through the globes of those chains. 106|00:15:39|660|00:15:47|180It is an expression of the planetary Logos himself. This involves the studying of the 107|00:15:47|180|00:15:53|480horoscope of the spirit of the planet, and that is the planetary Logos considered in his spiritual 108|00:15:53|480|00:16:03|780nature. That's not the same thing as the planetary entity, which is the sum total of the dense 109|00:16:03|780|00:16:13|080physical vehicle of the planet and the lives that animate that vehicle. This involves the 110|00:16:13|080|00:16:20|460studying of the horoscope of the spirit of the planet as well as of the informing Life and 111|00:16:20|460|00:16:30|320their joint relationship and interplay. EA, p.59 Now, okay, what I've just said is related to the way D.K. 112|00:16:30|320|00:16:38|000sometimes talks about the spirit of the planet, but now he is going to define it in a different 113|00:16:38|000|00:16:44|740way, closer to that of the planetary entity. So the spirit of the planet and the spirit of the earth 114|00:16:44|740|00:16:53|540are equivalent, and he's going to define the spirit of the earth, the spirit 115|00:16:53|540|00:17:05|180of the planet in a relatively low manner. So let's see here. Yeah, okay. In a relatively 116|00:17:05|180|00:17:16|080low manner. Now I have to, in a way, take back a little bit of what I said. I've searched this 117|00:17:16|080|00:17:24|260out: the spirit of the planet is pretty well consistently defined as the personality nature 118|00:17:24|260|00:17:31|660of the planet or the planetary entity. But notice here something very close to the term “spirit of 119|00:17:31|660|00:17:38|240the planet”: the planetary spirit. See, “spirit of the planet,” “planetary spirit” is another term for the 120|00:17:38|240|00:17:44|360Logos of the planet. So “spirit of the planet” and “planetary spirit” are different, and I think this 121|00:17:44|360|00:17:51|300is the first time I've seen that distinction. The cyclic influence of the planetary spirit is point 122|00:17:51|300|00:17:58|960of involution. Now in this particular case, he seems to call the planetary spirit an 123|00:17:58|960|00:18:06|200involutionary spirit. Maybe it all depends on whether the term “spirit” is capitalized or not. 124|00:18:06|200|00:18:13|380The main reason that it profits us not to study these energies too closely is because the planetary 125|00:18:13|380|00:18:20|660spirit or Logos and the planetary entity are two forms in active manifestation. So the planetary 126|00:18:20|660|00:18:27|300spirit, but he does capitalize that, is a being who long ago passed through the state of consciousness 127|00:18:27|300|00:18:35|100which we call the human state and left it far behind. So okay, that's a correction. 128|00:18:35|100|00:18:44|780When he says the “spirit of the planet,” he does mean, in this case, a planetary entity. But when 129|00:18:44|780|00:18:56|920he says “planetary spirit,” he means the Logos of the planet. That's a clarification. 130|00:18:56|920|00:19:06|500Okay, so this involves… we were studying the horoscope of the planet itself as the expression 131|00:19:06|500|00:19:13|760of the life of the planetary Logos, and this involves studying the planetary entity as well 132|00:19:13|760|00:19:21|820as the informing life. And the informing life in this case would be the planetary spirit. We have 133|00:19:21|820|00:19:27|500to watch our terminology very carefully. Even once, the term “planetary spirit,” as I just showed you, 134|00:19:27|500|00:19:34|380means the involutionary entity. So it's easy to get confused. Anyway, there is a joint relationship 135|00:19:34|380|00:19:46|440and interplay between the informing life, which is the Logos of the planet. And The spirit of the 136|00:19:46|440|00:19:54|860Earth is to the planetary Logos of the Earth, for instance, what the personality (or form nature) is 137|00:19:54|860|00:20:03|600to the soul of man. EA, p.59 or even perhaps the monad of man. The two horoscopes EA, p.59 by the Teachers are super138|00:20:03|600|00:20:14|980imposed and the “planetary pattern” then emerges. EA, p.59 So the Teachers, let's just say the teachers 139|00:20:16|040|00:20:29|360are involved in planetary astrology. Okay. All right, then they also study 2. The horoscope of 140|00:20:29|360|00:20:35|700the human family, of the fourth kingdom EA, p.59 Now, this is not the fourth Creative Hierarchy 141|00:20:35|700|00:20:42|000necessarily. The kingdom is a specialized expression of the fourth Creative Hierarchy. 142|00:20:42|000|00:20:46|820This also the kingdom of souls, which is an expression of the fourth Creative Hierarchy, 143|00:20:46|820|00:20:53|460but it is the fifth kingdom. And then there is the kingdom of planetary lives, some of whom are still 144|00:20:53|460|00:21:00|060within the fourth Creative Hierarchy, such as the Chohans, in a sense. And it is a question as to 145|00:21:00|060|00:21:09|740whether the lower forms of life, the lower kingdoms, are also special cases in the expression of the 146|00:21:09|740|00:21:19|340fourth Creative Hierarchy—the lower kingdoms, that is. 2. The horoscope of the human 147|00:21:19|340|00:21:28|920family, of the fourth kingdom in nature, regarding it as an entity, which it essentially is. EA, p.59 It is one 148|00:21:28|920|00:21:39|720being; it is one consciousness; it is one multiplex form, one multiple form, which it essentially is. 149|00:21:41|740|00:21:49|380This is in reality the study of two horoscopes, as in the above case; the horoscope of the kingdom of 150|00:21:49|380|00:21:56|940souls, of the divine sons of God upon the mental plane, EA, p.59—so studying, in a way, the egoic nature of 151|00:21:57|580|00:22:04|520man on the higher mental plane—and the study of the entity which is the coherent life 152|00:22:04|520|00:22:13|920of the form side of the fourth kingdom in nature. EA, p.59 Can we call this, in a way, humanity? You know, humanity spirit versus 153|00:22:13|920|00:22:19|840the spirit of humanity? Well, I don't think we would use terms like “spirit of humanity” because 154|00:22:19|840|00:22:26|760it suggests something too high. But there is an entity which is the coherent life of the form 155|00:22:26|760|00:22:32|560side of the fourth kingdom, and it is that particular entity which at the moment, and during the 156|00:22:32|560|00:22:41|800great wars of the last century, appears to be in rebellion against the directives coming from the 157|00:22:41|800|00:22:51|460kingdom of souls, from the egoic nature of humanity—the egoic lotus of humanity, you might almost 158|00:22:51|460|00:22:59|700say, combined of all the egoic lotuses of all the human beings who are. And this is done again by 159|00:22:59|700|00:23:08|860superimposing two charts, and then we can see the contrary indications or the harmonious indications. 160|00:23:08|860|00:23:17|540I'm sure there are times when it is easier for the soul nature of humanity to get through to its—to 161|00:23:17|540|00:23:26|440that entity which is its personality nature. And of course, we do not yet, for humanity, have an 162|00:23:26|440|00:23:34|020integrated personality. The great entity humanity is not yet an integrated personality; there's 163|00:23:34|020|00:23:42|160still a great deal of inter-nascent warfare going on between the different vehicles within 164|00:23:42|160|00:23:49|920the human entity. Let's just say there's quite a battle on between the mind of humanity and the 165|00:23:49|920|00:23:56|740desire nature of humanity, especially the mind as it is influenced by humanity's soul nature and the 166|00:23:56|740|00:24:05|460desire nature as it is influenced by the pull of humanity's instincts. This is again done by 167|00:24:05|460|00:24:11|960superimposing the two charts. These charts are drawn on a large scale EA, p.59—I guess they'd have to be 168|00:24:11|960|00:24:19|440because so much is going on— and on a transparent material of which humanity knows nothing. EA, p.59 D.K. often 169|00:24:19|440|00:24:27|680hints at the various kinds of materials which are known to the Masters, and there was 170|00:24:27|680|00:24:36|480one material on which some sacred writing was given, and it is sort of the—what's it called?—the 171|00:24:36|480|00:24:45|240allotrope of silver. Again, humanity knows nothing of this particular material. Upon these charts are 172|00:24:45|240|00:24:51|820noted the pattern which emerges when soul and personality are brought together, and we have to 173|00:24:51|820|00:25:02|540do exactly the same with our horoscopes. We have a horoscope built up around the rising sign, which 174|00:25:03|500|00:25:12|500indicates a soul direction, and we have a horoscope perhaps built up around the sun sign, which 175|00:25:12|500|00:25:18|940indicates the tendencies of that entity which we call the personality, and the moon would have to 176|00:25:18|940|00:25:27|880be involved in that as well. Upon these charts are noted the pattern which emerges when “soul and 177|00:25:27|880|00:25:33|780personality are brought together” and present conditions, possible developments and relationships, 178|00:25:33|780|00:25:47|880and the immediate future objective appear with clarity. EA, p.59 So the Teachers see whether humanity is trending— 179|00:25:47|880|00:25:55|460what are the possibilities? What may be the obstacles? What may be the potentials of the 180|00:25:55|460|00:26:03|440human race at any particular time? And they try to contribute to the balancing of conditions 181|00:26:03|440|00:26:13|920so that soul potentials can be realized. I'm sure this is going on very strongly at this moment of 182|00:26:13|920|00:26:20|220great stress within the human family. Okay, the teachers, therefore, they study the horoscope of 183|00:26:20|220|00:26:28|580the planet, they study the horoscope of humanity, and they also study the horoscope of disciples— 184|00:26:28|580|00:26:37|3803. The horoscopes of disciples. The Masters do not study the charts of ordinary undeveloped man. This would 185|00:26:37|380|00:26:43|060be a violation of the law of economy. Probably it would be a waste of time. There's so much that 186|00:26:43|060|00:26:50|980ordinary undeveloped man has to work out and probably can work out, given the guidelines that 187|00:26:50|980|00:26:57|900he has and the type of supervision that is there for him. There is no profit in so doing. This 188|00:26:57|900|00:27:10|080involves again the study of the two horoscopes of the disciple under inspection EA, p.59—that sort of fifth-ray, 189|00:27:10|080|00:27:18|980Scorpionic, Plutonic term “inspection.” -one of the soul EA, p.59, or at least of what 190|00:27:18|980|00:27:24|700the soul can accomplish in a particular life, and the other of the personality. EA, p.59 I don't really think 191|00:27:24|700|00:27:32|640we have at the moment what can be called the horoscope of the soul, but we might have a pattern 192|00:27:32|640|00:27:43|700through which the soul can influence the personality—a pattern within the personality horoscope through 193|00:27:43|700|00:27:51|280which the soul can influence and superimpose its own nature upon the personality. And this will 194|00:27:51|280|00:28:02|240involve certainly the rising sign and its ruler. Again the process of superimposition is utilised. EA, p.59 195|00:28:02|240|00:28:16|150and we've—in some of our astrology classes—we have attempted to do this. And also in the 196|00:28:16|150|00:28:25|130Solar Fire program there are some utilities which allow you to superimpose a horoscope built up 197|00:28:25|130|00:28:32|490around the rising sign over the horoscope built up around the sun sign. And it's always a question 198|00:28:32|490|00:28:45|030of hierarchical status of a particular energy. Given two energies, which energy should be allowed 199|00:28:45|030|00:28:56|070to dominate or helped to dominate in some way? Here we have to use our intelligence and our will to 200|00:28:56|070|00:29:03|870emphasize or de-emphasize different related energies. So again, the process of superimposition 201|00:29:03|870|00:29:12|930is utilized in one horoscope. And this is a very important sentence here: In one horoscope, the new 202|00:29:12|930|00:29:23|030orientation and the embryonic reorganised inner life will be noted and studied, EA, p.59-60 Now this is a big question, 203|00:29:23|030|00:29:28|290you see. Are we strictly dealing with the personality horoscope? We can look for patterns in the 204|00:29:28|290|00:29:36|150personality horoscope which are soul-sensitive, we might say. You know, let's say the rising sign 205|00:29:36|150|00:29:44|710is esoteric ruler and the various aspects from esoteric rulers and sacred planets to that 206|00:29:44|710|00:29:52|450esoteric ruler. That's one way of doing it. But here, this seems to call for what is called an 207|00:29:52|450|00:30:03|930examination of the conception chart, which is a Uranian chart. “Embryonic inner life”—that phrase 208|00:30:03|930|00:30:09|870seems to relate to the Uranian conception chart, whether that occurs at the exact moment of 209|00:30:09|870|00:30:17|610conception or at a moment which is tied by certain formulas to the moment of birth. That still has to 210|00:30:17|610|00:30:26|950be worked out. There's so much in this science which has to be examined. But you know, the “new 211|00:30:26|950|00:30:34|790orientation”—that's so Uranian, if you really think about it. You know, that is Uranian. And there is a 212|00:30:34|790|00:30:40|650Uranian chart: it is the conception chart. And there are a number of different ways to create this 213|00:30:40|650|00:30:46|450conception chart. Probably I can't get into the details, but again, in the Solar Fire program you 214|00:30:46|450|00:30:54|670are given the opportunity to create the conception chart, but you have to choose among perhaps six— 215|00:30:54|670|00:31:01|690six to eight—possible conception charts. And that is a tedious process. It's a question of 216|00:31:01|690|00:31:10|270how these charts seem to work out in the present personality life when you progress and 217|00:31:10|270|00:31:16|530direct the charts. And if you happen to know when you were conceived and whether it was a normal 218|00:31:16|530|00:31:24|330birth—a normal gestation period of nine months or shorter or longer—that is very useful, I would 219|00:31:24|330|00:31:30|610think. So there's a whole branch of astrology here which deals, I think, with the superimposition of 220|00:31:30|610|00:31:37|690the conception chart—the Uranian chart—over the birth chart, which is the Saturnian chart. You 221|00:31:37|690|00:31:43|610know, Saturn always has to do with concretion, and the fact of physical birth onto the dense 222|00:31:43|610|00:31:53|680physical plane is a very Saturnian matter. So in one horoscope, the new orientation—Uranian—and 223|00:31:53|680|00:32:01|840the embryonic reorganized inner life, which seems to suggest that at the time that the embryo—there's 224|00:32:01|840|00:32:08|300a hint here—at the time that the embryo starts to grow, the inner life is reorganized and reflected 225|00:32:08|300|00:32:15|420in a chart which can be drawn for that time of the beginning of the embryo—will be noted 226|00:32:15|420|00:32:27|480and studied. And in the other chart, the outer life and its conformity or nonconformity—now those are 227|00:32:27|480|00:32:36|500hinting words, because Saturnian words—“conformity” and “nonconformity”—have to do with Saturnian 228|00:32:36|500|00:32:45|400conditions. Actually, in a way, conformity is Saturnian, and nonconformity, in a way, is Uranian. 229|00:32:45|400|00:32:50|940But we're dealing with outer conditions and whether they conform to the inner—the inner 230|00:32:50|940|00:33:02|100pattern. So I wonder how many of us have searched out an acceptable conception chart, one that we 231|00:33:02|100|00:33:09|740that speaks to us, one that we have chosen out of the many possibilities and seen whether, when we 232|00:33:09|740|00:33:19|080think of our inner nature, that inner nature conforms to the conception chart. When we seek 233|00:33:19|080|00:33:30|560to build our inner self and express it in the outer world, is this inner self congruent with 234|00:33:30|560|00:33:39|100what the conception chart indicates? Or do we simply go to our birth chart and try to find 235|00:33:39|100|00:33:48|240an indication about our inner self there? There are so many hints and possibilities in this newer 236|00:33:48|240|00:33:57|120type of astrology, but the experimentation must take place, and I do think it will take hundreds 237|00:33:57|120|00:34:08|500of years, much accurate psychical research, much ability to see previous lives and the soul 238|00:34:08|500|00:34:17|160development which occurred in previous lives and matching of that type of inner vision with the 239|00:34:17|160|00:34:26|660different horoscopic possibilities taken at different times, such as the time of conception, 240|00:34:26|660|00:34:33|660the time when the beating of the heart begins. That's a Neptunian chart. A lot of research was 241|00:34:33|660|00:34:45|120done by Charles Jayne with his ABC charts, looking at this important triangle of conception, animation 242|00:34:45|120|00:34:55|460– that's the C is conception, animation, and B is birth. So C, A, B. We have to make sure we have 243|00:34:55|460|00:35:03|600these three charts as accurately as possible and then compare their indications to the manner 244|00:35:03|600|00:35:14|520in which our inner spiritual life is unfolding. Okay, let's see here. the new orientation and the 245|00:35:14|520|00:35:20|520embryonic reorganised inner life will be noted and studied, and in the other the outer life EA, p.60246|00:35:20|520|00:35:28|960– you know, Saturn representing the rind of life and its conformity or non-conformity to inner 247|00:35:28|960|00:35:37|680conditions will be the subject of attention. EA, p.60 Now, obviously, let's just say in our outer living we 248|00:35:37|680|00:35:49|580all want to conform to the inner conditions. That is, that would make our life a spiritual success. 249|00:35:49|580|00:35:59|780Suppose there was a deep inner kind of pattern which was fundamentally what the soul had in mind 250|00:35:59|780|00:36:05|600for expression during a particular incarnation. We would want to make sure that the outer conditions, 251|00:36:06|900|00:36:13|540the outer tendencies of our life, our actions, our thoughts, and so much, so forth, conform to that deep 252|00:36:13|540|00:36:20|220inner pattern. Now, so what I'm saying here is that there's a way to look for the inner and outer in 253|00:36:20|220|00:36:26|740two separate charts, one being a conception chart, the other being a birth chart. And that is difficult 254|00:36:26|740|00:36:33|620to do because you never know with certainty whether you have the exactly correct conception 255|00:36:33|620|00:36:40|780chart and whether it should be rectified in some manner. Or you look to the personality horoscope, 256|00:36:40|780|00:36:49|260and you try to find, as it were, two charts within the personality horoscope, two different 257|00:36:49|260|00:36:58|460orientations: one built up upon the rising sign and the other built up upon the sun sign. And you look 258|00:36:58|460|00:37:07|360for a superimposition not of two charts but a superimposition of two orientations in the same 259|00:37:07|360|00:37:17|420chart. And this can also be done, I think, using the Solar Fire program. Thus the life pattern will 260|00:37:17|420|00:37:28|720emerge, possibilities will be indicated, problems will disappear, and the immediate next step will 261|00:37:28|720|00:37:42|020clearly show forth. EA, p.60 Well, we certainly want that desirable result. The life pattern – by that we 262|00:37:42|020|00:37:49|560mean the soul pattern, the pattern that the soul seeks to see achieved in a particular 263|00:37:49|560|00:37:55|560incarnation. After all, the second ray, the second ray correlating with the soul, is called the Ray 264|00:37:55|560|00:38:05|560of the Divine Pattern. Potentials are there, that which blocks the potentials will be seen, and then 265|00:38:05|560|00:38:12|800the intelligence and the willpower can be brought to bear on that which is indicated, and we can do 266|00:38:12|800|00:38:21|240our best then willfully to decrease the obstacles and willfully to increase the potentials. And we 267|00:38:21|240|00:38:29|620can see what the next step will be, because always when it comes to the question of human growth, 268|00:38:30|440|00:38:36|560spiritual growth particularly, we are interested in two things, and that is the constitution of man 269|00:38:36|560|00:38:44|580and the next step ahead. Those are the two things the Tibetan tells us that we need to know if we 270|00:38:44|580|00:38:57|420are going to be able to progress spiritually. Okay, so that is a very, very potent paragraph, and 271|00:38:57|420|00:39:05|740from the seed of that paragraph, so much research can be undertaken. I mean, there may come a time 272|00:39:05|740|00:39:18|740when in this series of discussions or teachings I may try to show what a superimposed chart could 273|00:39:18|740|00:39:25|060look like. I know everyone would be interested in that and the different methods of superimposition. 274|00:39:25|060|00:39:33|700Yes, we could do that, as well, as, of course, we could interpret various horoscopes from the spiritual 275|00:39:33|700|00:39:42|720principles, we could also take a good look at physiognomy because in this type of a webinar 276|00:39:42|720|00:39:53|300format we do have all the visuals easily conveyed, and so we want to see how astrology really 277|00:39:53|300|00:40:01|720pervades every aspect of our life and we want to see the specifics of it. But I think we have to 278|00:40:01|720|00:40:08|680begin to a degree with the generalities, and that's what we're doing in this first hundred or so pages. 279|00:40:10|000|00:40:19|940It thus becomes apparent again to what an extent the “principle of duality” enters into everything. EA, p.60 280|00:40:19|940|00:40:26|500You know, when we're dealing with the Mutable Cross of the common cross, we are definitely in 281|00:40:26|500|00:40:40|620the realm of duality. We have not found ourselves as a unitive soul yet. D.K. is telling us that we 282|00:40:40|620|00:40:48|860have a contrast in our nature, especially he's emphasizing here between soul and personality, 283|00:40:48|860|00:40:54|600and he's trying to show us in the case of the planetary Logos, in the case of the entity humanity, 284|00:40:54|600|00:41:03|280in the case of the disciple man, how his dual nature stands out and how there are techniques 285|00:41:03|280|00:41:12|470in astrology to get an idea of the indications of each aspect of the duality and 286|00:41:12|470|00:41:27|110try to bring the lower member of the duality into conformity and subjugation to the higher aspect of 287|00:41:27|110|00:41:34|430the duality. In other words, our personality chart, or whatever we can conceive that to be, should 288|00:41:37|590|00:41:47|630submit itself or be submitted to the soul chart, which should be the dominant. It is a shifting 289|00:41:47|630|00:41:52|950dualism. Well, sometimes the soul's in control, and sometimes the personality. It is a shifting 290|00:41:52|950|00:42:00|190dualism, according to where the emphasis may be placed, but this dualism is present until the last 291|00:42:00|190|00:42:07|390and final initiation- EA, p.60 present in the latest… yet now, you know, last and final initiation. What does 292|00:42:07|390|00:42:13|790he mean by that? Does he mean the fourth initiation? Because there's a very great dualism there which 293|00:42:13|790|00:42:23|670is resolved by the harmonizing buddha energy and by the heart center, which is the chakra 294|00:42:23|670|00:42:29|190involved in this fourth initiation. Or does he take us even farther up to the seventh initiation, 295|00:42:29|190|00:42:40|110which resolves the duality of love and wisdom under Gemini and which is officiated over by the 296|00:42:40|110|00:42:45|690planetary Logos himself? Maybe he'll tell us here. but this dualism is present until the last and 297|00:42:45|690|00:42:55|210final initiation-present in the later stages of the evolutionary process, EA, p.60 definitely because we 298|00:42:55|210|00:43:02|650are acutely aware of soul-personality dualism and even of spirit in a dual relationship with 299|00:43:02|650|00:43:12|110soul-infused personality in the adjustment of form relations but not present in the consciousness of 300|00:43:12|630|00:43:19|190the disciple of advanced degree. EA, p.60—meaning that the disciple of advanced degree has entered a state 301|00:43:19|190|00:43:29|710of consciousness in which subject and object are seen to be united. Form is dual in many respects, 302|00:43:29|710|00:43:35|830and there are contests and conflicts between the different principles of man, but somehow the 303|00:43:35|830|00:43:42|530consciousness of the advanced disciple sees this all in a unity. From the time the disciple is 304|00:43:42|530|00:43:53|210taking the third degree, he is able to realize that he is a unity, and he is able to make revelation. 305|00:43:53|210|00:44:00|590We are told in the “Rays and Initiations” he's able to make revelation of the monad, which is the one. 306|00:44:00|590|00:44:09|270He's able to make revelation of the one, regardless of the conflicting dualities which are apparently 307|00:44:09|270|00:44:18|650found within his nature. So the third degree is the important degree for achieving a unified 308|00:44:18|650|00:44:27|410consciousness, which some have jumped ahead and called cosmic consciousness. D.K. tells us it's 309|00:44:27|410|00:44:33|710nothing of that nature at all, but we certainly have, with the completion of the triangle in the 310|00:44:33|710|00:44:46|590head, created a unitive way of viewing the world such that the whole may be seen as one. That is 311|00:44:46|590|00:44:54|150the major point to be grasped. EA, p.60 Duality persists, but in the consciousness of the advanced disciple, 312|00:44:54|150|00:45:03|090duality is overcome. Okay, D.K. tells us that A third point must here be made, following upon the two 313|00:45:03|090|00:45:10|470earlier emphasised. A great part of our study will be occupied with the relation of the six 314|00:45:10|470|00:45:19|690constellations in the upper half of the zodiacal wheel to the six which are found in the lower half; EA, p.60 Somehow he 315|00:45:19|690|00:45:28|130seems to be suggesting that the constellations from Libra to Pisces are perhaps in a more 316|00:45:28|130|00:45:38|750elevated position than those from Aries through Virgo. That is possible. We shall consider the 317|00:45:38|750|00:45:45|330energy which is a human being—note that phrasing. See how careful he is with the words there? 318|00:45:45|330|00:45:54|970That's why I oftentimes try to say “identification as” instead of “identification with.” we shall 319|00:45:54|970|00:46:02|230consider the energy which is a human being (note that phrasing) as it travels clockwise from Aries 320|00:46:02|230|00:46:13|630to Taurus and then-reversing the process-travels from Aries to Pisces. EA, p.60 It's a reorientation of 321|00:46:13|630|00:46:24|630desire. It's a change of consciousness. It's a change of objective. Desire always has its objective, but 322|00:46:24|630|00:46:32|990when you're traveling from Aries to Taurus via Pisces, your objective is in the material world. 323|00:46:32|990|00:46:43|890When you're traveling from Aries through Taurus to Pisces, your objective is eventually in the 324|00:46:43|890|00:46:53|530spiritual world, and you do not want to be a consciousness held by dense form as if that 325|00:46:53|530|00:47:00|430dense form were a reality. You do not want to have a consciousness preoccupied with dense 326|00:47:00|430|00:47:07|250form. We will consider the dualities provided by one of these constellations and its opposite; EA, p.60 327|00:47:08|650|00:47:15|390Okay, he's telling the procedure in the book. we will study, therefore, the great qualities provided 328|00:47:15|390|00:47:22|070by a constellation and its opposite sign. EA, p.60 and we will take up the matter in the following manner. 329|00:47:22|070|00:47:32|330Remember that when we're dealing with a sun sign, the sign which is opposite is of very great 330|00:47:32|330|00:47:38|370importance because you're looking at a kind of antahkarana where the sun sign represents the 331|00:47:38|370|00:47:47|090lower anchor within the personality of the antahkarana, and the point opposite the sun sign 332|00:47:47|090|00:47:56|970represents the higher aspect of the antahkarana ending in spirit or monad itself, which not all 333|00:47:56|970|00:48:04|930can yet respond to. Probably very few can respond to it, but it's good to know the general theory. 334|00:48:04|930|00:48:14|390We will take up these points in the following manner: EA, p.60 Okay, yeah, we're going to consider 335|00:48:14|390|00:48:19|690the dualities, the constellation and its opposite. We'll take up the points in the following manner: 336|00:48:20|930|00:48:28|590We will work 1. From the standpoint of commencement in Aries EA, p.60 always the sign of beginnings, until the 337|00:48:28|590|00:48:38|210man—through many turnings of the wheel of life— EA, p.60 and that means, I suppose, a passing through many 338|00:48:39|370|00:48:45|850cycles— reaches the point of reversal and reorientation. EA, p.60 So in this case, the man has 339|00:48:45|850|00:48:53|670been retrograding—man has been retrograding through the signs, passing backwards. Although 340|00:48:53|670|00:49:03|910the exact method of that retrogradation is not given, The man progresses from the point where, in 341|00:49:03|910|00:49:11|190Cancer, he forms a part of the mass with the mass consciousness, EA, p.60-61 all are thinking and feeling in 342|00:49:11|190|00:49:18|490a standardized way, and there's no thoughtful individual approach. Mass consciousness is 343|00:49:18|490|00:49:25|830inchoate and unfocussed, EA, p.61 —not a well-formed consciousness, not a focused consciousness—and 344|00:49:25|830|00:49:33|890with no recognition of objective (except the satisfaction of instinctual desire) until in 345|00:49:34|690|00:49:44|490Scorpio he becomes the triumphant disciple, having found himself in Leo. EA, p.61 Well, before you can become— 346|00:49:44|490|00:49:51|650you see the order here—before you can become the triumphant disciple, you must have a 347|00:49:52|030|00:49:59|910strong sense of your own personal identity. You have to have a degree of self-confidence. You have 348|00:49:59|910|00:50:06|510to know your qualities, your traits. You have to be able to get control over your abilities so that 349|00:50:06|510|00:50:16|010you can apply them in the great battles of Scorpio. Now, the man progresses from the point—see, 350|00:50:16|010|00:50:21|510in Cancer he's very much on the retrograding wheel, as Cancer is here described—from the point where 351|00:50:21|510|00:50:29|350in Cancer he forms a part of the mass. That's certainly not part of the reversed wheel. He has 352|00:50:29|350|00:50:40|710no real sense of his center and of himself as a distinct identity in control of his faculties. 353|00:50:40|710|00:50:49|810But this he gains in Leo, and in Scorpio he is able to demonstrate as a triumphant disciple. But you 354|00:50:49|810|00:50:55|610can ask yourself, as things are described here, are we really talking about the retrograde 355|00:50:55|610|00:51:02|490wheel, the clockwise wheel? Because in Cancer, the way it's described—yes, it's on the retrograde 356|00:51:02|490|00:51:14|870wheel. But finding oneself in Leo is probably to be considered on the reversed wheel, and certainly 357|00:51:14|870|00:51:25|990the triumph in Scorpio is that which occurs upon the reversed wheel. Then comes the Crisis of 358|00:51:25|990|00:51:31|170Reorientation which may take a long time and constitute an interlude of many lives of struggle. EA, p.61 359|00:51:31|170|00:51:38|330But nevertheless, it does seem as if D.K. is talking about finding oneself and becoming a triumphant 360|00:51:38|330|00:51:46|150disciple as if it were on the ordinary retrograde wheel. That doesn't make entire sense to me if I'm 361|00:51:46|150|00:51:53|250understanding it. I hope I'm not misunderstanding it. The question of finding oneself can be done at 362|00:51:53|250|00:52:00|050different levels, so in one way you can find yourself on the ordinary wheel, and there's 363|00:52:00|050|00:52:06|770another way of finding yourself as something more than an ego—a lower ego—by being on the 364|00:52:06|770|00:52:13|930reverse wheel. But in any case, to me it looks like becoming the triumphant disciple in Scorpio is a 365|00:52:13|930|00:52:20|850task for the reversed wheel. But anyhow, D.K. talks about these three experiences in Cancer, Leo, and 366|00:52:20|850|00:52:29|510Scorpio as if they were on the ordinary wheel, and then he says there comes the crisis of 367|00:52:29|510|00:52:37|870reorientation. This is always involving the sign Libra, sometimes the sign Scorpio involves 368|00:52:37|870|00:52:45|010generally the planet Uranus, which creates a fundamental change of values and reversal, and 369|00:52:45|010|00:52:51|370it says it may take a long time, many lives of struggle, where you feel a very strong tendency 370|00:52:51|370|00:52:57|430is pulling you towards personality life and demonstration and expression, and yet you feel 371|00:52:57|430|00:53:06|890the urge towards something higher, less personal, more expansive, more spiritual, more unitive – an 372|00:53:06|890|00:53:13|050orientation towards a higher part of yourself or towards a higher power. And I suppose there are a 373|00:53:13|050|00:53:21|970number of people who are passing through this troubled period. Probably the fourth ray is a 374|00:53:21|970|00:53:29|490which can be found powerfully at such a time to represent the counter pulls that one experiences. 375|00:53:29|490|00:53:42|170Struggle – the fourth ray, fourth ray is the ray of struggle, and Scorpio is the paramount fourth ray 376|00:53:43|470|00:53:55|290sign. Okay, so we're going to take up these points: the sign in which a man is born is 377|00:53:55|290|00:54:04|810opposite in terms of the progress on the wheel and the reversal. Then once the reversal has taken 378|00:54:04|810|00:54:10|490place, man is trying to tread the probationary path. So we're going to take up the study 2. From 379|00:54:10|490|00:54:16|930the standpoint of the man upon the probationary path, EA, p.61 which most people that I know who think 380|00:54:16|930|00:54:23|370about the matter are convinced that it starts before the first initiation. I think so – seeking 381|00:54:23|370|00:54:29|870the light, struggling through the signs (as the Old Commentary expresses it when considering this 382|00:54:29|870|00:54:38|150point): EA, p.61 So on the probationary wheel, we have reversed our direction, which means again that we 383|00:54:38|150|00:54:47|190respond to the potentials of the sign in a higher way. “He turns from right to left, and then again 384|00:54:47|190|00:54:55|270from left to right. He revolves in giddy fashion upon an axis of desire. EA, p.61 as if he's not quite sure 385|00:54:55|270|00:55:04|530of his purpose. He knows not where to go or what to do. The sky turns black.” EA, p.61 meaning that he no longer 386|00:55:04|530|00:55:12|250sees the objectives that he once saw. So he's on the Mutable Cross, the cross of many changes, and 387|00:55:13|310|00:55:22|390here again it does – you know, is he really on the reversed wheel at this point? D.K. seems to be saying 388|00:55:22|390|00:55:33|390that he is, that the probationer is turning right to left, left to right, and is trying to straighten 389|00:55:33|390|00:55:42|930out his orientation until Sagittarius can finally direct him towards the goal. “He revolves in giddy 390|00:55:42|930|00:55:50|190fashion upon the axis of desire” – this is the early part of the path of probation. He knows he wants 391|00:55:50|190|00:55:56|590something higher, but he knows not where to go or what to do. He does not see the objective. At this 392|00:55:56|590|00:56:04|950point, the sign Gemini begins potently to play its part in the life of the disciples, with Sagittarius 393|00:56:04|950|00:56:13|130gradually “piercing the heart with his arrows, EA, p.61 Some of the great saints and sages have died 394|00:56:15|650|00:56:23|910from the arrow – from being shot by the arrow: a symbolic death. and then upon the flight 395|00:56:23|910|00:56:32|530of the arrow, the man reaches Capricorn.” EA, p.61 So we are definitely on the counterclockwise 396|00:56:32|530|00:56:37|630wheel; we're on the wheel of consciousness at this form, even though on the early stages of the wheel 397|00:56:37|630|00:56:46|390of consciousness there is that revolving in a giddy fashion. Gemini is going to stimulate the intuition; 398|00:56:46|390|00:56:53|890it's going to make very clear now a better sense of direction because it will define what is the 399|00:56:53|890|00:56:59|350higher of the pairs of opposites and how it is contrasted. That's the great ability in Gemini to 400|00:56:59|350|00:57:06|710contrast how it is contrasted with the lower of the pairs of opposites. Sagittarius will sensitize 401|00:57:06|710|00:57:11|830the heart by piercing it, and the man will no longer be the victim of outgoing desire, but he 402|00:57:11|830|00:57:21|130will definitely desire that which the wounded heart, the sensitive heart, reveals. And then upon 403|00:57:21|130|00:57:29|830the arrow of intuition, he will fly towards the possibility of initiation and Capricorn, Then comes 404|00:57:29|830|00:57:38|810the Crisis of Renunciation. EA, p.61 or of initiation – taking the fourth degree – becomes possible. In these last 405|00:57:38|810|00:57:45|370three signs, Aquarius is related to the fourth degree, Pisces certainly is, and Capricorn we 406|00:57:45|370|00:57:53|970are told is a sign which applies to all five of the first five initiations – initiation one through 407|00:57:53|970|00:58:08|070five. Okay, well, we have reached that point, so we have Esoteric Astrology Adventure Number 28, and 408|00:58:08|070|00:58:20|390how far have we gone? Up to page 58, something like that? Oh, other than that, we've gone up to page – 409|00:58:20|390|00:58:34|250looks like page 61. All right, so we end at page 61, and I think we began at 58. I'll straighten 410|00:58:34|250|00:58:43|330out later. For now, we will together do The Great Invocation, and I will take this up in the next 411|00:58:43|330|00:58:51|540That's the terror of astrology adventure number 29. Okay, so The Great Invocation now. 412|00:59:13|330|00:59:23|530From the point of light within the mind of God, let light stream forth into the minds of 413|00:59:23|530|00:59:37|190men. Let light descend on earth. From the point of love within the heart of God, let love stream 414|00:59:37|190|00:59:50|510forth into the hearts of men. May Christ return to earth from the center where the will of God 415|00:59:50|510|00:59:59|350is known. Let that purpose guide the little wills of men, the purpose which the Masters know and serve. 416|01:00:03|750|01:00:12|250From the center which we call the race of men, let the plan of love and light work out, and may 417|01:00:12|250|01:00:25|790it seal the door where evil dwells. Let light and love and power restore the plan on earth. 418|01:01:01|950|01:01:10|110Okay friends, we're into some very interesting things now, and we— 419|01:01:11|730|01:01:16|610you know, it would be good to be able to back this up with concrete examples, which I think we can do. 420|01:01:16|610|01:01:25|950But let us try to get an overview of the book and then enter into the more concrete examples and try, 421|01:01:27|230|01:01:36|150thereby, to at least fulfill the Leo stage of esoteric astrology and find ourselves as we are— 422|01:01:36|150|01:01:44|190not as we seem to be, but as we are. Okay, so we'll take up esoteric astrology adventure number 29 423|01:01:46|010|01:01:47|230shortly. See you then.
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