1|00:00:08|040|00:00:20|560Okay friends, hi. We are now working on the esoteric astrology adventure number 41, and 2|00:00:21|560|00:00:29|780we are in a place where we are reviewing a section on the science of triangles from A 3|00:00:29|780|00:00:35|660Treatise on Cosmic Fire. We have reviewed some of this at various points. We have just 4|00:00:35|660|00:00:45|960passed through the consideration of six different triangles, and we have talked about the manner 5|00:00:46|440|00:00:59|760in which the monadic ray stimulates the different centers in a triangle according to the name 6|00:00:59|780|00:01:06|940and the nature of that center. We discussed first, second and third ray monads in relationship 7|00:01:06|940|00:01:15|060to the stimulation of these centers. We discussed the way these triangles represent human beings 8|00:01:15|060|00:01:25|960at different stages of evolution, and we discussed as well the levels of the three points in 9|00:01:25|960|00:01:31|040each one of the triangles. Some are naturally higher than another, but there are also ways 10|00:01:31|040|00:01:37|180in which each of the three centers in any triangle, or points in any triangle, correlate 11|00:01:37|180|00:01:45|980most either with the first, second or third ray. According to the level, the highest level 12|00:01:45|980|00:01:52|900will be generically related to the first, the middle level to the second and the lowest 13|00:01:52|900|00:01:59|240level to the third. So it is a question as to how the stimulation actually does occur. 14|00:01:59|760|00:02:07|340I think it is reasonable to think of it as occurring in relation to the ray affinity 15|00:02:08|020|00:02:16|900of a center within the triangle. Now we have a little bit more of this to deal with. We 16|00:02:16|900|00:02:20|860are dealing with six different periods of development in the human being beginning all 17|00:02:20|860|00:02:28|200the way from the vital Lemurian stage and moving on to that of the Master of the Wisdom 18|00:02:28|200|00:02:36|220finally. All these different periods show different triangular radiations, and in each 19|00:02:36|220|00:02:43|640one of us a particular triangular radiation is operative at this time. Obviously there 20|00:02:43|640|00:02:50|840will be many individual idiosyncrasies, but for people who are generally found in the 21|00:02:50|860|00:02:59|340particular stage of evolution, a particular triangle will be operative. The many differences, 22|00:02:59|720|00:03:07|300the many distinctions, the many individual peculiarities—this can be understood and 23|00:03:07|300|00:03:16|360handled by a Master of the Wisdom. He goes on to say: we must not infer from this that 24|00:03:16|360|00:03:23|440when the fire is centered in one triangle it is not demonstrating in others. This is 25|00:03:23|440|00:03:32|440a crucial thought, as all the many triangles have some degree of vivification, or at least 26|00:03:32|440|00:03:46|340all the centers have some degree of vivification. The question is: which is the brightest and 27|00:03:46|340|00:03:53|200the most radiant? Let's say if A Treatise on Esoteric Psychology, Esoteric Psychology 28|00:03:53|200|00:04:04|020Volume One and Two—if this treatise is written for initiates of the first degree, and we 29|00:04:04|020|00:04:09|940are studying this book and we care about this book, psychology, etc., then let us say that 30|00:04:09|940|00:04:18|620we are speaking at least of stage number five: spiritual man to the third initiation—heart, 31|00:04:18|860|00:04:24|960throat, and the seven head centers gradually coming into full expression. 32|00:04:28|240|00:04:36|500Once the fire has free passage along any triangle, it flames continuously, which suggests that 33|00:04:36|500|00:04:42|460it does not if it does not have free passage, but always there is one triangle more radiant 34|00:04:42|460|00:04:49|680and luminous than the others. In other words, free passage may exist in some of these lower 35|00:04:49|680|00:04:59|060triangles which we have already conquered, so to speak, which we have already developed. 36|00:04:59|960|00:05:05|120But one triangle will be the most luminous, more radiant and luminous than the others, 37|00:05:05|120|00:05:12|380and it is from these glowing triangles of light, issuing from wheels and vortices of 38|00:05:12|380|00:05:19|000fire, which are the chakras at a certain stage of development, that the clairvoyant and the 39|00:05:19|000|00:05:28|500teachers of the race can appraise a man's position in the scheme of things and judge 40|00:05:28|500|00:05:35|360of his attainment. Well, we sometimes wonder: how is it that the master is able to judge 41|00:05:35|980|00:05:45|140the level of accomplishment that we have attained? And he tells us that it is from the triangles 42|00:05:45|900|00:05:52|320and the luminosity of the triangles and the degree of free passage of the fire that the 43|00:05:54|400|00:06:02|420teacher is able to ascertain. I would also say that if he goes still deeper and he looks 44|00:06:02|420|00:06:08|960at the causal body, the egoic lotus and the degree of unfoldment of the petals, he is 45|00:06:08|960|00:06:16|720also in a position to ascertain something of the development of the human being. 46|00:06:20|840|00:06:30|520At the culmination of life experience and when man has reached his goal, each triangle 47|00:06:30|520|00:06:46|700is a radiant path of fire—all of the six here given—and each center a wheel of living 48|00:06:46|700|00:06:54|840flame. The physical eye cannot yet measure this, but one day such measurement will be possible. The center at this stage 49|00:06:54|840|00:07:01|700not only rotates in a specific direction, but literally turns upon itself, forming a living 50|00:07:01|700|00:07:09|240flaming iridescent globe. See, it approximates the globe, which is a fuller figure than just 51|00:07:09|240|00:07:16|680a disk. Iridescent globe of pure fire and holding within it a certain geometrical, or 52|00:07:16|700|00:07:23|540geometrical shape, yet withal vibrating so rapidly that the eye can scarcely follow it. 53|00:07:23|620|00:07:30|920So the wheel turns upon itself, which is a climactic fourth-dimensional moment, and the 54|00:07:30|920|00:07:41|540geometrical shape may well be a triangle, perhaps equilateral, equilateral, I suppose, 55|00:07:44|240|00:07:53|200equilateral, isosceles, how does one spell that? Isosceles, okay that's not the correct 56|00:07:53|200|00:08:03|800spelling, isosceles and scalene, perhaps the 3-4-5 triangle. Anyway, these three types 57|00:08:03|800|00:08:10|620of triangles may indicate the monadic ray concerned. Certainly the geometrical shape 58|00:08:10|620|00:08:21|080in the center of the iridescent globe I believe will indicate the monadic ray. Anyway, there's 59|00:08:21|080|00:08:27|680such a rapid vibration that the eye, the clairvoyant eye even, can scarcely follow it. He's not 60|00:08:27|680|00:08:40|600talking about the normal physical eye. Above all, at the top of the head will be seen a 61|00:08:40|600|00:08:46|020face. Indeed, the center at the top of the head is all-inclusive; it's a universe unto 62|00:08:46|020|00:08:53|480itself. It contains the prototype or the archetype of every other center within itself. From 63|00:08:53|480|00:08:59|120the heart of this many-petaled lotus, that is the heart within the head, issues a flame 64|00:08:59|120|00:09:08|740of fire with the basic hue of a man's ray. Now this could be the soul ray or monadic 65|00:09:08|740|00:09:17|780ray, I suspect. Let us see, this flame mounts upward and seems to attract downward a sheet 66|00:09:17|780|00:09:23|440of electric light, which is the down-flow from the spirit on the highest plane. So the 67|00:09:23|440|00:09:29|320way it looks at the moment is this is the indicator of the egoic ray, which is the same 68|00:09:29|320|00:09:36|320as the triadal ray, and attracts that sheet of electric light which is the down-flow of 69|00:09:36|320|00:09:42|560the monad. This marks the blending of the fires and the deliverance of man from the 70|00:09:42|560|00:09:51|720trammels of matter. This is the complete rescue of the immersed spirit. I think that we can 71|00:09:51|720|00:10:06|300look at this as the fourth initiation, certainly it begins at that point, especially if we're 72|00:10:06|300|00:10:17|040one of the rays of the triad is the soul ray. So it is also by the type of hue that rises 73|00:10:17|040|00:10:21|820upward from the many-petaled lotus, from the heart of the many-petaled lotus, which will 74|00:10:21|820|00:10:28|100give the hint, I think, as to the nature of the secondary triadal ray, which is the soul 75|00:10:28|100|00:10:34|740ray. And if we want to learn more about that, we go to Esoteric Psychology 1, page 168 and 76|00:10:34|740|00:10:43|720169. Man at the fourth degree is delivered from the trammels of matter, although we might 77|00:10:43|720|00:10:49|880say complete deliverance only occurs, finally, at the sixth initiation, and it depends on 78|00:10:49|880|00:10:55|120how we consider matter to be, because if we're considering matter to be the entire cosmic 79|00:10:55|120|00:11:02|880physical plane, then complete deliverance only occurs at the ninth initiation of refusal. 80|00:11:03|900|00:11:14|780Okay, so now here we are at present. Charts are set up on the basis of the personality 81|00:11:14|780|00:11:21|220condition or of the personality ray. Now they are different. The condition and the ray are 82|00:11:21|220|00:11:25|120different. It is possible to know something about the personality condition without knowing 83|00:11:25|120|00:11:32|860the ray. One can know about the personality condition without knowing about the personality 84|00:11:32|880|00:11:42|360ray. So our normal charts are set up to relate to the personality of the individual 85|00:11:42|360|00:11:49|780for whom the chart is read. If the astrologer is fortunate enough to know or to guess it 86|00:11:49|780|00:12:00|760accurately, this suggests that some degree of guessing, intelligent guessing, may be 87|00:12:00|760|00:12:11|320the ray. Are those to whom Master D.K. has given it or individuals that he has discussed 88|00:12:11|320|00:12:16|060from a historical perspective, but probably they wouldn't be interested or they've passed 89|00:12:16|060|00:12:30|740on because he tends to speak not so much of living individuals, although he did, of Franklin 90|00:12:30|740|00:12:38|180the first ray soul. And he suggested the presence of the first ray, well at least Leo 91|00:12:38|180|00:12:44|000in the chart of Hitler, those protagonists in the great battle of the Second World War. 92|00:12:46|480|00:12:52|880So fortunate enough to know or to guess, well it's almost as if one cannot do accurate esoteric 93|00:12:52|880|00:13:00|720astrology unless we know this particular ray, the personality ray, and we have to know what 94|00:13:00|740|00:13:07|640we are allowed to hazard a guess and to set up the chart accordingly, looking perhaps 95|00:13:08|340|00:13:17|000for those, for the planet which particularly conducts the ray of the personality as we 96|00:13:17|000|00:13:27|400understand it. If however the subject is an advanced person, and by that I assume D.K. 97|00:13:27|400|00:13:35|980means someone who is coming under spiritual influence, let us say coming under soul influence, 98|00:13:36|200|00:13:45|400then the chart will frequently, will be frequently wrong as the planets which govern in the case 99|00:13:45|400|00:13:51|040of ordinary or undeveloped man have ceased to influence the spiritual man or the disciple. 100|00:13:51|040|00:13:59|320Well, let's just say, and D.K. tells us this later, they also influence but to a lesser 101|00:13:59|320|00:14:09|680degree and are absorbed by the higher planet. For instance, the esoteric ruler, the influence 102|00:14:09|680|00:14:15|640of the esoteric ruler overcomes the influence of the exoteric ruler, but the exoteric ruler 103|00:14:15|640|00:14:19|840does not cease to function. In other words, if you are let us say an Aquarian and you're 104|00:14:19|840|00:14:27|080normally influenced exoterically by Uranus and Jupiter, its esoteric rulership becomes 105|00:14:27|080|00:14:33|300more prominent, it does not necessarily mean that Uranus will cease to influence you as 106|00:14:33|300|00:14:37|340an Aquarian but that Jupiter will be progressively more important. 107|00:14:39|280|00:14:47|080Okay, so, but he tells us the chart may be wrong if we do not consult the higher ruler. 108|00:14:47|080|00:14:55|300The average man is primarily conditioned in the events of his physical plane life by the 109|00:14:55|300|00:15:02|220position of the planets in the twelve houses. So this is one of those important statements 110|00:15:03|560|00:15:08|740that when looking at the average individual and sometimes we have to do the horoscopes 111|00:15:08|740|00:15:13|720of people who are simply interested in their personality and not in spiritual development, 112|00:15:13|720|00:15:20|320then the positions of the planets in the houses and presumably a rather exoteric interpretation 113|00:15:20|320|00:15:27|840of the signs of those planets will be the major contributing factor. We will have to 114|00:15:27|840|00:15:34|340understand how man is relating to the twelve types of experience in which as a personality 115|00:15:34|340|00:15:42|600he seeks to progress, to prosper, to succeed. So average man is primarily conditioned by 116|00:15:42|600|00:15:47|120the events of his physical plane life by the position of the planets in the twelve houses 117|00:15:47|120|00:15:54|720and they are in turn conditioned by certain karmic influences which the advanced man has 118|00:15:54|720|00:16:00|620overcome. So the houses are conditioned, he seems to be saying, by certain karmic influences. 119|00:16:00|720|00:16:11|500In other words, we owe, let us say, how can we put it here, we, okay, we owe karmic debts 120|00:16:12|260|00:16:17|900in various of the houses. It may be in the house of relationship where we owe these debts. 121|00:16:18|580|00:16:26|600It may be in our home circumstances, number four. It may be in terms of our resources 122|00:16:27|120|00:16:35|400that we owe the debts. You can go around each one of the twelve houses of the horoscope 123|00:16:35|400|00:16:42|560and you can think of the kind of debts that might be owed. You know, perhaps a clarification 124|00:16:42|560|00:16:51|360of identity is due in the first house and we have not been sufficiently self-knowing 125|00:16:51|360|00:16:58|520and we have an obligation to become so. Or that we actually literally owe money, substance. 126|00:16:59|450|00:17:12|500We owe in terms of vitality or we may owe in the third house obligations involving much 127|00:17:12|500|00:17:18|100traveling and communication and establishing lines of connection where perhaps before we 128|00:17:18|100|00:17:27|220denied them or disrupted them and so it can go. If we disrupted or disharmonized something 129|00:17:28|580|00:17:36|740in one of the twelve houses, we will come in for an equilibrizing, a karmic equilibrizing 130|00:17:36|740|00:17:44|980in a future life. We may owe a life. We may have confused people in our teaching. That's 131|00:17:44|980|00:17:52|680easy to do. We may have misled people. We may have offered false teachings. This will 132|00:17:52|680|00:18:01|640be a karmic obligation in the ninth house. We may have to adjust our lives in relation 133|00:18:01|640|00:18:08|160to our career. We may have pursued something selfishly there and we may have to undertake 134|00:18:08|160|00:18:15|200a career which is more selfless. Every one of those houses can speak about the karmic 135|00:18:15|200|00:18:22|620debts and balancing which is required. So, you know, you can go through the houses of 136|00:18:22|620|00:18:31|760the chart and find their general meaning and then see whether you are debt free in 137|00:18:31|760|00:18:38|020these houses. I think wherever Saturn is found one is not particularly debt free. There is 138|00:18:38|020|00:18:45|580an obligation in the house where Saturn is found and we have to see what it is we owe, 139|00:18:45|580|00:18:52|820what type of action should be brought to bear to make things right in that particular house. 140|00:18:53|620|00:18:59|800As well, the moon may be a karmic indicator in that respect and perhaps the south node 141|00:18:59|800|00:19:08|840as well. Okay, so, the houses are conditioned by certain karmic influences, Saturn being 142|00:19:09|360|00:19:17|920among the foremost, which the advanced man has overcome or is overcoming. So, the same 143|00:19:17|920|00:19:23|480kind of liability in a particular house does not exist for the advanced man but then the 144|00:19:23|480|00:19:29|820key is, you know, for whom are you doing this horoscope and how accurate is your intuition 145|00:19:30|420|00:19:36|940when it comes to understanding the individual for whom you are doing the horoscope. Okay, 146|00:19:36|940|00:19:47|000the horoscope will be cast eventually on the basis of the soul ray. Now, one of the things 147|00:19:47|000|00:19:54|380that is important here is to find the soul ray ruler. In the case of second-ray souls, 148|00:19:54|380|00:19:59|960it would be Jupiter. In the case of first-ray souls, Vulcan or perhaps Pluto would be involved, 149|00:19:59|960|00:20:06|180although that is a non-sacred planet. Saturn would be for third-ray souls, Mercury for 150|00:20:06|180|00:20:12|420fourth-ray souls, Venus for fifth-ray souls, Neptune or perhaps Mars for sixth-ray souls, 151|00:20:13|380|00:20:18|880and Uranus for seventh-ray souls. It will be cast eventually on the basis of the soul 152|00:20:18|880|00:20:29|060ray, and so one could put that soul ray ruler on the ascendant. One could superimpose it 153|00:20:29|060|00:20:38|980on the ascendant or build up a chart in which the first house is the position of the soul 154|00:20:38|980|00:20:44|000ray ruler, and perhaps indications will be given. Intuitive astrology will be required. 155|00:20:44|680|00:20:51|740And then the zodiacal signs which govern the activities and the influence of the present 156|00:20:51|740|00:20:59|040group of planetary rulers will be considerably lessened. So it will be set up automatically 157|00:20:59|060|00:21:05|100on the basis of the soul ray, but let us remember that the zodiacal constellations, sometimes 158|00:21:05|100|00:21:11|360called signs, are very active even on the monadic level, as he has told us. They are certainly 159|00:21:11|360|00:21:19|360active on the soul level, as he has told us, and they do have ordinary elemental types 160|00:21:19|360|00:21:26|640of influence as well. But when a soul ray horoscope is set up, he is telling us that the zodiacal 161|00:21:26|640|00:21:40|920signs which influence the present group of planetary rulers will be reduced in importance. 162|00:21:47|160|00:21:56|620Now, what is interesting there is that we have certain planets in the universe that are not 163|00:21:57|290|00:22:07|120through which we can move backwards and look at the zodiacal signs. So let us say that 164|00:22:07|120|00:22:14|860we have the influence of Mars prominent in the chart. We could go back to the sign Aries, 165|00:22:15|730|00:22:23|460and we would find that that particular zodiacal sign would be reduced in its lower influence. 166|00:22:23|460|00:22:30|580I won't say higher influence because, as we recall, the signs do influence the soul and 167|00:22:30|580|00:22:40|240do influence the monad. Instead, we might trace a line from Mars to Scorpio and find, of which 168|00:22:40|240|00:22:48|820Mars is the esoteric ruler, and find that the Scorpionic influence had increased in 169|00:22:48|820|00:22:49|940its influence. 170|00:22:50|680|00:22:58|760D.K. says some very tricky things here, and it is important to kind of not just read superficially. 171|00:22:59|240|00:23:07|860He seems to be saying that zodiacal signs related to orthodox planetary rulers will 172|00:23:07|860|00:23:13|880be reduced, and if we consider the esoteric planetary rulers, the zodiacal signs will become 173|00:23:13|880|00:23:22|400of more significance. New planetary potencies conveying zodiacal energies. This is the key. 174|00:23:22|540|00:23:31|580You are actually looking at the esoteric ruler as a kind of a soul conduit, and you are looking 175|00:23:31|580|00:23:41|800for the kind of zodiacal energies they convey, these new esoteric rulers. New planetary potencies 176|00:23:41|800|00:23:49|020conveying zodiacal energies will control and take precedence of the old ones, thus putting 177|00:23:49|020|00:23:50|840the man in touch with different forces. 178|00:23:50|980|00:23:57|180Now, one of the things we could do is say, “Okay, this is the disciple, and therefore we 179|00:23:57|180|00:24:05|400have to look at every planet as if it were an esoteric ruler rather than an orthodox 180|00:24:05|400|00:24:15|600ruler.” So when we go around the planetary collection, let us say we would consider the 181|00:24:15|600|00:24:23|800planet Jupiter. Jupiter would normally lead us toward Pisces or toward Sagittarius, which 182|00:24:23|800|00:24:29|780would be considered important, and Jupiter would be considered to be conveying zodiacal 183|00:24:29|780|00:24:35|200influence from those two signs. But if we are a disciple, we are going to trace a line 184|00:24:35|200|00:24:41|000from Jupiter to Aquarius, and when we look at Jupiter, we will think of it as conveying 185|00:24:41|000|00:24:48|080Aquarian energies. We will think of Saturn not as conveying Capricornian or early Aquarian 186|00:24:48|080|00:24:56|680energies, but as conveying later Capricornian energies, more highly developed Capricornian 187|00:24:56|680|00:25:03|040energies. In that case, Saturn rules both exoterically and esoterically Capricorn. When we look at 188|00:25:03|040|00:25:10|380Mercury, we are not going to draw a line straight to Gemini and to Virgo, although there would 189|00:25:10|380|00:25:16|060be naturally some conveying of influence, but rather when we find Mercury, we will draw a 190|00:25:16|060|00:25:22|880line to Aries and see what energies might be coming through Mercury from the sign Aries. 191|00:25:24|120|00:25:31|600When we consider Venus, we won't normally go to Libra or Taurus, but rather to Gemini. When 192|00:25:31|600|00:25:37|620we consider… let's see, where are we now? I've been going by the rays, okay, but now maybe 193|00:25:37|620|00:25:45|320I ought to go in planetary order. I did Jupiter already. I did Mars. If we are looking, and 194|00:25:45|320|00:25:50|920I did Saturn. If we are looking at Uranus, it would normally convey Aquarian energies, 195|00:25:50|920|00:25:57|640but now when we focus on the energy of Uranus, we are going to say what does Libra have to 196|00:25:57|640|00:26:04|120say about that Uranian expression. We will trace a line towards Libra where Uranus is 197|00:26:04|120|00:26:08|900the esoteric ruler. When it comes to Neptune, well normally we would go to Pisces where 198|00:26:08|900|00:26:17|540there is still plenty of control of Neptune because Neptune is a very high ruler in Pisces, 199|00:26:17|540|00:26:23|880but we would not go automatically to Pisces but also include the sign Cancer where Neptune 200|00:26:23|880|00:26:33|640is the esoteric ruler. And finally with Pluto, well I think we go to Scorpio normally as 201|00:26:34|370|00:26:39|860Pluto is a sub ruler of Scorpio and still is very connected with Scorpio and important 202|00:26:40|840|00:26:48|750means through which Scorpio can express, but we will go to Pisces and say how will the 203|00:26:48|750|00:26:55|750Piscean influence come through this planet. So putting man in touch with different forces. 204|00:26:56|090|00:27:11|790So if you are a disciple, trace every planet back to the sign which that planet rules esoterically. 205|00:27:12|630|00:27:19|910And this is a different angle, isn't it? Because let's just say that as a disciple we should 206|00:27:19|910|00:27:27|350be responding to every planet from an esoteric or soul perspective, and normally we will say 207|00:27:27|350|00:27:33|230well I understand the connections of this planet; they are the following based upon exoteric 208|00:27:33|230|00:27:40|550rulerships. But now when we look at a planet, we will say what is coming through to me from 209|00:27:40|550|00:27:47|850this particular sign which the planet rules esoterically, and we can do that with all of 210|00:27:47|850|00:27:55|990us. In other words, all the planets. In other words, rather than read the planet alone, we 211|00:27:55|990|00:28:03|390will read it in such a way that an esoteric influence is coming through the planet from 212|00:28:03|390|00:28:09|230a particular sign or constellation. I don't know if I've ever done that in my own chart. 213|00:28:09|750|00:28:19|170All of us can do that, and we would say what zodiacal sign is added to the influence of 214|00:28:19|170|00:28:24|610this planet simply because I am a disciple and should be responding to this planet in 215|00:28:24|610|00:28:33|510a disciplic manner. So that's a new angle which I have not emphasized and a new angle 216|00:28:33|510|00:28:41|310for some, including myself. And it all comes from careful reading. You see, this is the 217|00:28:41|310|00:28:50|870thing. It's so easy to just gloss over what D.K. says, and we realize that the zodiacal signs 218|00:28:50|870|00:29:01|750are controlled and their intensity in the astrological chart by the nature of the individual, 219|00:29:01|750|00:29:07|410what type of individual he is and how he is responding to the planets. Of course, if a 220|00:29:07|410|00:29:14|270particular sign is your rising sign or your sun sign, you naturally do look to the esoteric 221|00:29:14|270|00:29:19|610ruler at a certain stage of development, and that's a pretty straightforward method of 222|00:29:19|610|00:29:28|810proceeding. But just remember: add a particular sign to a planet according to the nature of 223|00:29:28|810|00:29:34|650your development. In other words, when you are an average individual and you're looking 224|00:29:34|650|00:29:40|510at the influence of Jupiter, do not add Aquarius. Simply stick with Sagittarius and Pisces. 225|00:29:41|310|00:29:49|430Finally, the time will come when the individual, when he, will be sensitive to the whole range 226|00:29:49|430|00:29:58|610of vibrations. Charts will be set up which will be called charts of the crosses and not 227|00:29:58|610|00:30:05|850simply indications of planetary influences in the twelve houses. Now already this is 228|00:30:05|850|00:30:15|490being done, and some whole sign charts are being set up. Let's see if we can take a look 229|00:30:15|490|00:30:24|650at what one of them might look like. Let's see, what do I have here? This is a Solar Fire 230|00:30:24|650|00:30:39|830coming in, and let's see, I'll just take my own chart for example, and I have final charts 231|00:30:40|330|00:30:48|570trying to determine always by… okay, so this is a normal chart in the Placidus system, but 232|00:30:48|570|00:30:54|930if I edit this chart in such a way that I have whole sign chart, copy and edit, and what 233|00:30:54|930|00:31:05|030I'll do is go over here and we will have, let's see, let's say whole signs MC on the tenth, 234|00:31:05|030|00:31:14|910whole signs. Okay, here it is. So now everything starts at zero degrees on the ascendant, and 235|00:31:15|290|00:31:24|270crosses are created. Here is a cardinal cross starting with Cancer going to Capricorn with 236|00:31:24|270|00:31:33|530Aries and Libra respectively at the top and bottom of the chart, and so it will be the 237|00:31:33|530|00:31:41|310arms of these crosses which will be of importance. There will be one cross which is cardinal, 238|00:31:41|780|00:31:54|710one cross which is fixed, and one cross which is mutable, and every arm will be ruled by 239|00:31:56|000|00:32:02|170a number of planets. We will consider, we will not discount the exoteric rulers, but 240|00:32:02|170|00:32:09|170we will add the esoteric rulers and even the hierarchical rulers, so an entire cross will 241|00:32:09|170|00:32:15|870have many, many planets to which the high initiate will begin to respond. Let's just 242|00:32:15|870|00:32:21|410say here in the case of the cardinal cross, Cancer is ruled by the Moon and Neptune. We 243|00:32:21|410|00:32:28|370can discount the Moon. Capricorn is ruled by Saturn and Venus. Aries is ruled by Mars, 244|00:32:29|230|00:32:39|150Mercury and Uranus, and Libra is ruled by Venus, Uranus and Saturn. And so the collection of 245|00:32:39|170|00:32:48|970all of those planets: Mercury is involved, Venus is involved, Mars is involved. Let's 246|00:32:48|970|00:32:57|910see… is Jupiter? No, Jupiter is not involved there. Saturn is definitely involved, Uranus 247|00:32:57|910|00:33:06|030is involved, Neptune is involved and Pluto is not involved. So on this particular cross, 248|00:33:06|450|00:33:16|030the individual has to learn to respond to all of the influences, probably with the Cancerian 249|00:33:16|030|00:33:24|870influences in this case being foremost. Now if I wanted to build up a cross based upon 250|00:33:24|870|00:33:33|830the point opposite the Sun sign, which would be a monadic cross, then the hierarchical influences 251|00:33:33|830|00:33:41|770would definitely have to be considered and the Libran rulers of Venus, Uranus and Saturn 252|00:33:41|770|00:33:49|090would be foremost. And we can go around to every one of the crosses dealing with the 253|00:33:51|830|00:34:00|930triplicities—rather the quadruplicities—of cardinal, fixed and mutable and find the range 254|00:34:00|930|00:34:05|470of influences to which the individual should respond. Now we don't necessarily have to 255|00:34:05|470|00:34:11|490include the cardinal cross yet, but when we're starting, when we're dealing with the rising 256|00:34:11|490|00:34:19|970sign cross, we should include both esoteric and exoteric influences. And also we should 257|00:34:19|970|00:34:25|990deal with the Sun sign cross—in other words, the cross on which the Sun sign is found—and 258|00:34:25|990|00:34:33|010later he will deal with that. If, for instance, I'm in Aries in my Sun sign, then I have to 259|00:34:33|010|00:34:41|230consider Libra, Cancer and Capricorn and all of the exoteric and esoteric influences—planetary 260|00:34:41|230|00:34:47|510influences which come on that cross—and eventually I will learn to respond to all of them. Finally, 261|00:34:47|510|00:34:55|970of course, the very advanced individual responds to the entire range of vibration. Now we have— 262|00:34:55|990|00:35:02|350we might also say that comes to my mind—that most of us are on the fixed cross, or the cross 263|00:35:02|350|00:35:09|310in which the soul is attempting to emerge. The soul development is paramount on that 264|00:35:09|310|00:35:21|810cross. And so we would look at the rulers of the fixed cross, and we would say because 265|00:35:21|810|00:35:27|250we are at that stage of evolution, we should be responding to the rulers of the fixed cross. 266|00:35:27|450|00:35:33|710We'll leave out the hierarchical rulers for the moment. So all of us—let's say between 267|00:35:33|710|00:35:37|590the first and third initiation, something of that nature—should be learning how to 268|00:35:37|590|00:35:44|570respond to not only Venus but Vulcan in Taurus, not only the Sun veiling perhaps Jupiter but 269|00:35:44|570|00:35:51|790the Sun veiling Neptune in Leo, not only the lower aspect of Mars but a higher aspect of 270|00:35:51|810|00:35:58|830Mars—a higher and more valorous aspect of Mars in Scorpio—and not only inventive individual 271|00:35:58|830|00:36:07|470Uranus but group-inclusive Jupiter esoterically ruling in Aquarius. We should learn—be learning 272|00:36:07|470|00:36:14|750how to respond to all of these simply because we are at that stage of evolution. Once we 273|00:36:15|390|00:36:21|750became true initiates of the third degree and beyond—and even especially beyond—we 274|00:36:21|750|00:36:27|010would have to learn how to respond to the hierarchical rulers on the cardinal cross 275|00:36:27|010|00:36:34|690as well. Okay, there are different ways of looking at this. You can have, obviously, initiates 276|00:36:35|170|00:36:41|470for whom different crosses—mutable, fixed or cardinal cross—are important, in which case 277|00:36:41|470|00:36:48|150you would include the hierarchical rulers. Suffice it to say, the initiate becomes increasingly 278|00:36:48|150|00:36:58|150sensitive to an abstracted interpretation of the planets applied to his spiritual development 279|00:36:58|330|00:37:07|590and not applied so much to success—personality success within circumstances. So in a way, 280|00:37:07|590|00:37:14|790the charts of the crosses lift the whole consideration out of physical personal circumstance and 281|00:37:16|090|00:37:21|430apply these energies to the development of consciousness and the development of will. 282|00:37:22|370|00:37:28|970This is a whole new area of astrology, and obviously you have to have those people for 283|00:37:28|970|00:37:36|110whom it really applies in order to begin seeing how it works and making the proper kinds of 284|00:37:36|110|00:37:42|610determinations, judgments and measurements. Finally, the time will come when he—the advancing 285|00:37:42|610|00:37:49|130individual—will be sensitive to the whole range of vibrations. Charts will then be set 286|00:37:49|130|00:37:57|730up which will be called charts of the crosses, and they will not be house-limited. They will 287|00:37:57|730|00:38:04|570deal with the energies which produce the house or which are usually found expressing in the 288|00:38:04|570|00:38:11|570house, but the energies will not be limited by the house. So an entirely different focus 289|00:38:13|490|00:38:21|650upon a particular aspect of the individual will be emphasized, and rather than how are 290|00:38:21|650|00:38:25|830you doing in circumstances. It will be: how are you doing in consciousness? How are you 291|00:38:25|830|00:38:33|950doing in the development of your divine purpose and divine will? These charts will not be 292|00:38:33|950|00:38:41|170simply indications of planetary influences in the twelve houses. I hope I've made that 293|00:38:41|170|00:38:47|910a little bit clear. Obviously, we could spend a whole class on the meaning here, and we could 294|00:38:47|910|00:38:56|930work out exercises for determining these things. And I will trust that if this series of instructions 295|00:38:56|930|00:39:03|370is ever attended to by people who have interest and who are teaching astrology, that they can 296|00:39:03|370|00:39:14|270work out the necessary exercises to differentiate between planets which are circumstantially 297|00:39:14|270|00:39:22|670applied in the normal field of phenomena, and planets which are more subjectively applied 298|00:39:23|450|00:39:28|350to the real purpose of esoteric astrology, which is the growth and development of consciousness 299|00:39:28|350|00:39:34|490and eventually the expression of divine purpose through the divine will. And then, writing 300|00:39:34|490|00:39:41|550eighty years ago, D.K. says something which may well still apply today: “I question whether 301|00:39:42|050|00:39:49|250there is any living astrologer, I suppose, in the body capable of doing this as yet.” And 302|00:39:49|250|00:39:54|570this, of course, is a challenge. And a number of very fine living astrologers—I know them 303|00:39:54|570|00:40:02|150personally—have made attempts at developing the charts of the crosses. But then the question 304|00:40:02|150|00:40:09|410is: to whom are they going to be applied? How many of us can really take this synthetic 305|00:40:09|410|00:40:17|170point of view and respond in some sort of circular, spherical manner to all the available 306|00:40:17|170|00:40:24|550influences? What we can do is to see on the particular cross—which is the cross that is 307|00:40:24|570|00:40:29|790on which our sun is found—how many of these influences we are responding to and how we 308|00:40:29|790|00:40:35|990are responding to them. We have to evaluate ourselves in that way. We can take our rising 309|00:40:35|990|00:40:43|890sign cross—maybe it's different from the sun sign cross—and see how well we are responding 310|00:40:43|890|00:40:49|550to the diversity of influences offered. Eventually, if we really get brave and perhaps a little 311|00:40:49|550|00:40:56|110foolish, we can look at the monadic point cross. It will be the same as the sun sign 312|00:40:56|110|00:41:03|370cross, but we can see the extent to which we may be beginning to respond to the hierarchical 313|00:41:03|790|00:41:10|570rulers. It's not just a question of going in there and interpreting a chart. The individual 314|00:41:10|570|00:41:17|870using astrology has to ask himself many questions about how he actually uses these energies, 315|00:41:17|870|00:41:25|110and he should use himself as a source of understanding, knowledge, and wisdom in this regard rather 316|00:41:25|110|00:41:32|310than going for conventional interpretations. So who knows? Eighty years later, are there 317|00:41:32|310|00:41:41|030any living astrologers capable of doing this as yet? Well, we can certainly make our attempts 318|00:41:41|030|00:41:49|610in specific classes that are with fairly advanced people, targeting this type of interpretation. 319|00:41:50|490|00:41:59|190These are the kinds of charts by which the masters gauge their disciples, and they are 320|00:41:59|190|00:42:06|830most interesting. Oh, don't you just wish you could qualify to be a member of the astrological 321|00:42:06|830|00:42:16|250department of hierarchy and be in a fit condition to observe these kinds of charts and to use 322|00:42:16|250|00:42:23|450them profitably for yourself and for others? They are most interesting. I'm sure that our 323|00:42:23|450|00:42:30|050sun sign is a major factor here, and our rising sign is a major factor, and the crosses on 324|00:42:30|050|00:42:35|370which they are found are major. And if they are both found on the same cross—in my own 325|00:42:35|370|00:42:39|290case it is, and I know many people from the sun and rising sign are found on the same 326|00:42:39|290|00:42:47|570cross—then it's a question of the ways we respond to the different planetary rulerships. 327|00:42:47|710|00:42:55|070Is our response really a soul response, or is it more simply a personal response? These 328|00:42:55|070|00:43:03|430charts of the crosses are the ones that are prepared prior to the third initiation, at 329|00:43:03|430|00:43:10|030which time the man begins his approach to the cardinal cross of the heavens. Now note: 330|00:43:10|030|00:43:23|590it is just an approach. He is not yet on the cardinal cross and will not be until after 331|00:43:23|590|00:43:30|210the fourth initiation—and more like the fifth initiation. So before the third initiation, 332|00:43:30|210|00:43:36|730charts of the crosses are prepared, I suppose, to see the degree of spiritual response a 333|00:43:36|730|00:43:45|690man has to the particular cross on which his sun sign and rising sign are found. At the 334|00:43:45|690|00:43:53|930third initiation, the spirit aspect begins to emerge, and there must be a more synthetic, 335|00:43:53|930|00:44:01|810rounded-out type of response if that initiation is to be taken. And let us remember that before 336|00:44:01|810|00:44:08|650the initiate is initiated, he is initiate. OK, he is an initiate before he is initiated. 337|00:44:08|650|00:44:16|150So this factor of synthesis has to be growing in the initiate of the third degree. I would 338|00:44:16|150|00:44:22|750remind you, even though it is a piece of useless information—don't we just love those—that 339|00:44:22|750|00:44:30|490the fifth major initiation of our planet is the first cosmic initiation. Well, that is 340|00:44:30|490|00:44:36|930pretty tricky, just as the third initiation is the first systemic. Well, I think what he 341|00:44:36|930|00:44:46|310means is that the first initiation is the first solar initiation in which perhaps the 342|00:44:46|850|00:44:53|630solar, rather than strictly planetary, energies play a very big part. The term “major initiation” 343|00:44:53|630|00:44:58|630is sometimes ambiguous because he has said the major initiations don't begin until the 344|00:44:58|630|00:45:07|470third initiation, in which case it would be the seventh initiation of man being listed 345|00:45:07|470|00:45:13|530as the fifth major. But at other points in the books, he does talk about the normal initiations— 346|00:45:13|530|00:45:19|730one, two, three, four, five—as being major, and he distinguishes between those initiations 347|00:45:19|730|00:45:32|750and earlier pre-monastic initiations. Let us say there are at least four initiations 348|00:45:32|750|00:45:37|870of the elements that are occurring between—I think—the first and second initiation, and 349|00:45:37|870|00:45:46|770there are two earlier initiations that precede the first, and they involve the opening of 350|00:45:46|770|00:45:53|630different tiers of petals and the instilling of a kind of incipient group consciousness 351|00:45:53|630|00:45:59|230in the man, even though it is not enough to give him the first true initiation, which is 352|00:45:59|230|00:46:05|010the birth of the Christ in the heart. So I think here he is telling us that our fifth 353|00:46:05|010|00:46:11|530initiation of mastership of revelation is really the first cosmic initiation, and it's 354|00:46:11|530|00:46:20|430the first initiation which relates us to that cosmic center we call Sirius, in relation to 355|00:46:20|430|00:46:26|950which we have become a kind of a first-degree initiate or an entered apprentice in the great 356|00:46:27|930|00:46:34|790blue lodge of Sirius. So let us remember that the first two initiations—the birth and the 357|00:46:34|790|00:46:40|610baptism—are planetary, strictly planetary in nature. The third initiation begins a series 358|00:46:40|610|00:46:46|250of solar initiations. The fifth initiation is still solar in a certain respect, but it 359|00:46:46|250|00:46:53|530begins the initiations related to Sirius, which probably take us five, six, seven, eight, nine— 360|00:46:54|110|00:46:58|950probably all the way up to the ninth initiation and certainly to the seventh, which is being 361|00:46:58|950|00:47:04|550achieved by the Christ, and the Christ is considered a Sirian initiate of a certain type. 362|00:47:04|550|00:47:11|910Namely, a transfigured Sirian initiate, because the seventh initiation is the transfiguration 363|00:47:12|970|00:47:19|290in relation to the Sirian system of initiations. Yes, and that's what it says here. I guess 364|00:47:19|290|00:47:25|210I'm just repeating what I could have been reading. The first two initiations are planetary 365|00:47:25|870|00:47:33|050in their implications. The above statement has deep and esoteric astrological significance. 366|00:47:33|050|00:47:42|670Well, we could ponder on that one for a long time. Let's just say that the soul, the higher 367|00:47:42|670|00:47:49|990ego, is the solar factor within man and is informed by a solar angel coming from the 368|00:47:49|990|00:47:56|370heart of the sun or the central spiritual sun. So in a way, we are beginning our true 369|00:47:56|370|00:48:03|770solar life when we take the third initiation. Now, in as much as the Buddhic influence and 370|00:48:03|770|00:48:08|430even the monadic influence is present on soul levels even at the first and second initiation, 371|00:48:09|490|00:48:16|610something of that solar influence is coming in, but we don't really become solarized beings— 372|00:48:18|270|00:48:25|110partially solarized beings—until the third initiation, the third of the major initiations, 373|00:48:25|110|00:48:31|390which is the first really major initiation. Terminology fluctuates in this respect, and 374|00:48:31|390|00:48:39|210it's important to understand the larger configuration to see what DK means at any particular 375|00:48:39|210|00:48:48|790point. So we have a non-sacred planet here, and the first two initiations—birth and baptism— 376|00:48:48|790|00:48:55|890are non-sacred. The initiates are still initiates of the threshold, and these are initiations 377|00:48:55|890|00:49:01|370of the threshold, and the individual is not by any means a sacred individual. He still 378|00:49:01|370|00:49:06|250has many, many battles, just the way our planet has not yet achieved its third initiation, 379|00:49:06|250|00:49:13|580nor has our sun, and they have many, many battles, those particular Logoi, before that high state 380|00:49:14|320|00:49:21|600of transfiguration is achieved, as Sirius has achieved it and as Venus in one respect has 381|00:49:21|600|00:49:28|460achieved it. And you know, the deep esoteric astrological significance—we could go on 382|00:49:28|460|00:49:34|320and on attempting to fathom, but I think I've offered a little bit about planetary, solar, 383|00:49:34|320|00:49:41|840and Sirian initiations. And if we are taking the third initiation, we're not a first- 384|00:49:41|840|00:49:50|220degree initiate in the Sirian scheme, but maybe we are an awakening disciple in relation to 385|00:49:50|220|00:50:01|080the Sirian scheme or the Sirian constellation, and we can be then influenced by Sirius. We 386|00:50:01|080|00:50:09|720are told that it is only at the third initiation that Sirius really begins its influence upon 387|00:50:09|720|00:50:19|460the initiate. That's not enough, however, to make of the developing disciple a first 388|00:50:19|460|00:50:27|580degree initiate in the Sirian scheme. I guess I used the word scheme there. Okay, you know, 389|00:50:27|920|00:50:33|180what is a scheme? Well, there are planetary schemes and we can think of solar schemes 390|00:50:33|180|00:50:47|080and we can even think of constellation schemes. A lot of these… okay, okay, only staff, not 391|00:50:47|080|00:50:56|120now, okay. I hope this is… your network connection has been reestablished, okay. We have an interesting 392|00:50:56|120|00:51:08|920thing going on here and I'm going to terminate. I'm having some pretty strong Mercury retrograde 393|00:51:08|920|00:51:19|100issues here. This may be a shorter… I have no knowledge of when my network connection 394|00:51:19|820|00:51:31|480was ended. So, I hope it's not a very, very short tape, and if it is, I'll have to go over 395|00:51:31|480|00:51:42|980that material, but for the moment, let us simply end number 40. We have reached it. Let's end 396|00:51:42|980|00:51:57|240with an OM, and we are on EAA end of EAA number 41, and we have gone from page 88 to 90. Something 397|00:51:57|240|00:52:06|000has been disconnected, I'm sorry to say, and we will see whether it is Sirius or not. Okay, 398|00:52:06|480|00:52:12|780in any case, the audio should not be a problem, and we will simply end with an OM at light 399|00:52:12|780|00:52:32|520and love and power, restore the plan on earth. OM. And we are in a good place to start because 400|00:52:32|520|00:52:38|940it's a new section, and Esoteric Astrology adventure number 42 will begin, and hopefully 401|00:52:38|940|00:52:48|280we will not have too much problem from retrograde Mercury, which should end tomorrow. Okay, so 402|00:52:48|280|00:52:53|600I will sign off at this point because I don't even know whether what I'm saying is actually 403|00:52:53|600|00:53:00|080recording on the webinar per se. Hence, I'm making short shrift of this and will go on 404|00:53:00|080|00:53:05|160and hope to do better. Okay everybody, we'll see you at the next Esoteric Astrology adventure. 405|00:53:05|740|00:53:06|360Bye bye for now.
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